Beating the Indian Navy without going broke
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These are not dimples. The plate is pushing outwards not inwards. this happens when plate is welded to frames.Do you see the dimples on a brand new Kilo being launched?
The dimples i am on about are characteristic of water pressing in . Although if metal sheet is of bad quality or thin, those dimples can form during trial runs too. So there.
It is important to be prepared to attack every enemy rather than the enemy which you fancy. Tomorrow if USA misbehaves, then it will be important to strike even USA. Same with China, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia etc.
Just check how limited range the Sagarika will be from Bay of Bengal to Pakistan:
Now, here is Indonesia, another hostile country (declared war in 1971 against India):
Here is if Saudi misbehaves:
Here is if China misbehaves:
JUST ANSWER THIS QUESTION:
Which adversary can be targeted with Sagarika missile (excluding Bangladesh)?
We have two of our own boomers in water as on date and suitably weaponised.
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Do you see any difference in the dimples and dents? Which appears new to you? Submarines have life of 40 years. Do you think 1 year of trial will dent it so much? Either it is lighting problem or wrong submarine/dummy submarine
Plus it can be fired with depressed trajectory to ensure that BMD can't take it out.
Lol, dude. The idea behind Sagarika is that we can fit three of them in one single tube. And it is meant to be used against our main adversaries.
We won't be attacking non-nuclear powers with our nuclear weapons unless they use WMDs on us. Indonesia and Saudi are not gonna do that.
You are seeing the anechoic tiles in the pic, not the exposed hull.
And I pretty much sure that the hull is made of 'plates' & not 'sheets'. The thought of it developing 'dimples' due to low quality is way too stupid (but typical of people who expect PN fleet to dominate a carrier less IN fleet)
You are forgetting China here. What is the defence against China with Sagarika? Or other nuclear countries that have behaved in hostile manner like UK, USA etc?
BTW, Sagarika or Shaurya was stated to be anti ship ballistic missile before. So, is it possible that Arihant is just interested in anti-ship roles with Sagarika rather than land attack? Thus Arihant actually being a SSN with missile launching capability and torpedo capability?
First, come down from your lala land and learn about the basics of our nuclear doctrine and what boomers are used for.
Low-quality posts like this are not appreciated.
If you read comments without understanding context, everything will appear like low quality. I am only saying that Sagarika is not a missile that can be considered as worthy of being a SLBM but can be ASBM launched by submarine.
You should first learn to think properly and understand these things:
1) SSBN is needed to strike long distance enemies accurately, not to survive first strike. Only in movies, everything can be destroyed in 1 strike. The number of ballistic missiles in a submarine is limited, say 12. But the number of ballistic missile on land will be in thousands. Most of these are hidden or in transporters and can't be destroyed by first strike. First strike does not mean strike by nuclear wepaons which are bunker busting and penetrator warheads. The first strike is generally airburst to cause maximum damage to logistics. Missiles will easily survive these
2) Sagarika missile used as a second strike is an ultimate joke. Even if the range is higher than 750km, say 1000km, still it is pathetically bad and useless for any practical deterrence. Considering that the food supplies will last only 3-4 months, there is no point in having these submarines with 1000km range missiles for 2nd strike. It can practically strike none
Now, you come down from lala land and answer question consistently and scientifically as to what is the requirement of of SSBN, basics of nuclear strike, doctrines and damage. Stop believing in propaganda spread for consumption by dumb public and get the most efficient theory that answers all questions satisfactorily. Then you will realise that if Arihant is a boomer with 1000km missile, it is a massive waste of resources.
Yes the main issue is tracking and course+ final targetting rather than initial acquisition. This has been discussed a lot w.r.t the Chinese carrier killer missile for example.
Yes but that is different to defeating an entire arm of a major power in open warfare (no home turf advantage, no restricted RoE by the adversary etc etc which affected both US in Vietnam and USSR in AFG).
This is for example why large part of resources in Indian war planning (likely with intel cooperation with US + Israel) is about destroying Pakistani WMD on the ground to the maximum extent possible quickly rather than leaving it all to the BMD system etc. ...and of course Pak planning would involve making that as hard as possible from their end too.
There are no miracle solutions on the cheap....and likely will not ever be given the amount of RnD needed these days that you cannot simply hide from everyone else. This is for example why Pakistan does not simply dedicate half its budget to increasing its warhead stockpile and delivery systems....because they would be wasted sitting ducks relative to the current C4I and CnC it currently has in place (which are far more expensive and slow to expand sustainably in than the warheads themselves).
The Arihant genesis lies in the ATV program of the IN. The ATV was initially supposed to be a SSN. But after using the original INS Chakra, a Charlie class SSN, it was decided to go in for the SSBN. This was 1988. This is also the year when we were nearing completion of our first ballistic missile Prithvi. Post this decision was taken to convert the SSN project to an SSBN.
