Brahmos Supersonic Cruise Missile : News, Updates and Discussions

@vsto ithink, we need to order another Brahmos customized mki for anti ship job. A sing squadron in tanjore may be adequate now but may not for future.
A squadron in A&N, a squadron in Tanjore & a squadron in Goa or karnataka will be sufficient. With production line still open, we should defiantly go for it.
@vstol Jockey
 
@vsto ithink, we need to order another Brahmos customized mki for anti ship job. A sing squadron in tanjore may be adequate now but may not for future.
A squadron in A&N, a squadron in Tanjore & a squadron in Goa or karnataka will be sufficient. With production line still open, we should defiantly go for it.
@vstol Jockey
What am i reading ? Who is singing ? missile or the squadron?
 
@vsto ithink, we need to order another Brahmos customized mki for anti ship job. A sing squadron in tanjore may be adequate now but may not for future.
A squadron in A&N, a squadron in Tanjore & a squadron in Goa or karnataka will be sufficient. With production line still open, we should defiantly go for it.
@vstol Jockey
we are getting/converting 40 SU-30MKI to carry Brahmos. That number is adequate. You don't need to deploy one full squadron. You can position flights of 4-6 aircraft for such roles anywhere you want. OR each squadron can have 2-4 such aircraft.
 
@vsto ithink, we need to order another Brahmos customized mki for anti ship job. A sing squadron in tanjore may be adequate now but may not for future.
A squadron in A&N, a squadron in Tanjore & a squadron in Goa or karnataka will be sufficient. With production line still open, we should defiantly go for it.
@vstol Jockey

40 is more than enough for Brahmos-A, even the follow-on missiles of that class. The rest of the requirement will be fulfilled by Brahmos-M. Even LCA will be able to carry Brahmos-M.
 
we are getting/converting 40 SU-30MKI to carry Brahmos. That number is adequate. You don't need to deploy one full squadron. You can position flights of 4-6 aircraft for such roles anywhere you want. OR each squadron can have 2-4 such aircraft.
Ok,... is it possible to arm our mki with NSM missile of norway?
 
Any missile which is within the carriage limit of an aircraft can be mated to that aircraft as long as you are able to sort out software issues and mate the missile with onboard systems.
I have a doubt, it may be a dumb one. IN had few TU142s, Its pretty huge aircraft, asper open source info we have grounded it in favor of P8I. My doubt is that since its is basically an TU95 bomber, why we are not modifying it as a bomber, i think our HAL is very much capable of doing it. A long range bomber like TU95, IN can launch its anti ship missiles even to south china sea or even to shanghai. I know that you are an EX IN pilot, you can influence present IN to do that.
 
I have a doubt, it may be a dumb one. IN had few TU142s, Its pretty huge aircraft, asper open source info we have grounded it in favor of P8I. My doubt is that since its is basically an TU95 bomber, why we are not modifying it as a bomber, i think our HAL is very much capable of doing it. A long range bomber like TU95, IN can launch its anti ship missiles even to south china sea or even to shanghai. I know that you are an EX IN pilot, you can influence present IN to do that.
TU-142M have been decommissioned. But we did modify them.
 
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Will be ready with BrahMos-NG when IAF demands it: Dr S K Mishra

By Anantha Krishnan M
February 13, 2020 06:32 AM IST
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Dr Sudhir Kumar Mishra, CEO & MD of BrahMos Aerospace.

Lucknow:
Year 2020 might see the first export order of BrahMos supersonic cruise missile being executed and the Republic of the Philippines will be among few front-runners eyeing for this lethal weapon jointly developed by India and Russia.

The Philippines Defence Secretary Delfin Lorenzana last week confirmed to a section of media in Manila that the contract for acquiring two batteries of BrahMos will be signed this year.

This year would also see new BrahMos variants being tested with enhanced range, thanks to the continuous effort of Indian missile scientists to embed the weapon with smarter systems for better performance.

At the just-concluded DefExpo2020, Onmanorama caught up with Dr Sudhir Kumar Mishra, the CEO & MD of BrahMos Aerospace, for an update on a missile that has no competitor yet in the world market.

“I am inspired to see how BrahMos missile has found a place in the hearts of many Indians. Success breeds success and BrahMos will spring many more surprises in future,” says Dr Mishra.

Here are the excerpts from the interview.

On Def Expo

This edition of DefExpo has been an exceptionally good one as compared to Chennai (2018), Goa (2016) and Delhi (2014). With all the shortcomings Lucknow has had, the show has been massive. The curiosity levels among youngsters touched sky high and we had exhibited a ‘live model’ of BrahMos at the show. There were several people, especially youngsters, who were chasing us to know more about the missile.

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Several delegations from India and abroad were constantly visiting our stalls and we virtually had no time to breathe during the business days of the show.

Air version

When the Indian Air Force (IAF) tasked us with integrating the long range and heavier missile on to Sukhois, we accepted the challenge. We opened up the fighter. The avionics had to be modified and the aircraft structure had to be strengthened. We had to integrate the world’s biggest launcher (developed by BATL Thiruvananthapuram) on to Sukhoi. The weight of the missile was reduced from 2.9 tonne to 2.5 tonne.

Nothing can give more happiness than receiving appreciation from the end user. It means we are on the right path. We have to think from the user perspective all the time. It was a team work with ASTE (Aircraft & Systems Testing Establishment) and SDI (Software Development Institute) of IAF playing a pivotal role.

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AFS Thanjavur

With the new Sukhoi squadron being raised, Air Force Station Thanjavur has become an outpost to keep a check on the miscreants in the Indian Ocean Region. The stand-off distance of the missile (300 km), plus the range of Sukhoi (3000-plus km) and multiple refuelling capabilities give the IAF pilots a great advantage.

We have created a weapon which is best in the world. My air version teams and BrahMos teams situated in Hyderabad, Delhi, Nagpur and Nasik contributed significantly. The IAF has played a major role telling us what to do, what not to do and sometimes how to do.

As most of you already know, a Sukhoi embedded with BrahMos is the most lethal combination one can think of in today’s scenario. With jointness being the key to IAF’s missions at AFS Thanjavur, I am happy that BrahMos-Sukhoi combo gives IAF an extended reach, flexibility, speed and most importantly precision strike.

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BrahMos NG

The new variant of the missile - BrahMos NG (next generation) - is an interesting weapon. The feasibility studies and engineering analysis are over. We have found that it can be perfectly integrated into LCA, LCA MK-II & AMCA. We want IAF to induct these platforms in large numbers and until then we shall wait.

BrahMos-NG will be ready in the next four years. We are holding on to our investments for now and we will be ready with the new weapon suite when IAF demands it.

(With considerable reduction in weight, in future more number of BrahMos-NGs can be carried by Sukhois, Tejas, AMCA and other platforms.)

Other variants

There are several improvements coming into the BrahMos. It is a great missile and every three, six, nine months we are coming out with new additions. We keep evolving so as to give different strategies to our armed forces.

We are thinking to develop the air-to-air version with anti-AWACS capability. The range can be in excess of 400-500 km and the first test will be sometime in the near future.

We are also planning for a hypersonic missile, which is being named after Dr A P J Abdul Kalam. The moment you cross 5 Mach speed, it will be a hypersonic missile. DRDO has undertaken a major programme to develop hypersonic technologies, so that a missile in excess of 10-12 Mach speed can be developed.

Meanwhile, we are looking at upgrading the current engine from 3 to 5 Mach.
We want to develop a supersonic-hypersonic engine. We want to do the thermal management with some kind of coatings on different components so that they can withstand high temperature. The idea is to provide our armed forces a credible deterrent with hypersonic capabilities.

BrahMos Model

At BrahMos, we follow a simple model. We have decided not to do any metal cutting at our workshop. We do only the integration. For every component\products we develop two vendors so as to get sub-systems at competitive prices.

The era of missiles will be there for another 15-20 years. Beyond that, there will be high-power microwave, high-power lasers and high-energy projectiles. Let’s wait for another four years and see how we are gearing up to take on the new requirements.

BrahMos has an excellent DNA and this need to be promoted. When we develop a pure hypersonic engine, we will be able to do the integration of hypersonic missile also.

I have ensured that I should leave a legacy that’s inspiring and one that will hold BrahMos Aerospace in good financial health. We have our order book intact till 2040.

(The writer is an independent aerospace and defence journalist, who blogs at Tarmak007 and tweets @writetake.)

Will be ready with BrahMos-NG when IAF demands it: Dr S K Mishra

IF India could have developed this AWACS killer version within 1 year

 
TurboJet +Ramjet ... I am not sure we have any TD for this, We are working on liquid Ram jet but combing two platforms will be a new experience, and again starting a new experiment will take time. I hope Nirbhaya cruise missile which already shown its capability will be the base of development

I have some doubt on the Nirbhay program altogether, is itba successful projectvas it advertised?
One fine morning we have announced that nirbhay program is successful & closed. And going to develop new long rang subsonic cruise missile. Mysteriously mew missile & nirbhay is having same range.

Turbojet +Ramjet is availiable tech not sure about Turbofan +Ramjet
 
TurboJet +Ramjet ... I am not sure we have any TD for this, We are working on liquid Ram jet but combing two platforms will be a new experience, and again starting a new experiment will take time. I hope Nirbhaya cruise missile which already shown its capability will be the base of development



Turbojet +Ramjet is availiable tech not sure about Turbofan +Ramjet
This project is a perfect recipe for delay. Why we are so much obsessed with supersonic cruise missiles, for that we have brahmos. Why to re invent the wheel.
What we lacks is a stealth & smart cruise missile with terrain masking flight. Even Brahmos doesn't have terrain masking capability, instead of mastering terrain mask flight we are going with another missile with existing flight parameters. In modern era high subsonic won't guarantee you a success, either you should go with hypersonic missile like zircon or you should go with stealth terrain masking missile like AGM 158 or scalp.
 
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This project is a perfect recipe for delay. Why we are so much obsessed with supersonic cruise missiles, for that we have brahmos. Why to re invent the wheel.
What we lacks is a stealth & smart cruise missile with terrain masking flight. Even Brahmos doesn't have terrain masking capability, instead of mastering terrain mask flight we are going with another missile with existing flight parameters. In modern era high subsonic won't guarantee you a success, either you should go with hypersonic missile like zircon or you should go with stealth terrain masking missile like AGM 158 or scalp.

We do have a plan for stealth standoff A2G missile - Rudram 3 same like Scalp
 
We do have a plan for stealth standoff A2G missile - Rudram 3 same like Scalp
No, the picture i saw is having conventional design. Anf afaik rudram is a helicopter launched cruise missile for navy. So most probably it will not have terrain hiding flight characteristics too, but could have a low-level flight like brahmos.
 
I think shiv arror is wrong here. If you go by Anantha Krishnan's report from Feb. The nirbhay project is technically closed. Multiple new projects LRLACM,SLCM and ITCM replaces it. (Makes sense to continue calling the land variant Nirbhay though )
  • LRLACM fired from Brahmos UVLS. ie, ship-based
  • Indigenous Technology Cruise Missile (ITCM) ground and air-launched with RF seeker.
  • SLCM (Submarine Launched Cruise Missile) development started in 2017, Confirmed multiple times
There is no evidence that these will have an additional stage with 'ramjet engine'. Even the russian Kalibr only have solid fuel rocket at the terminal stage. It will be very expensive and too difficult to master. And honestly unnecesary.

The LFRJ propultion will be used for the STAR (Supersonic Target system) project.

@hellbent
 
I think shiv arror is wrong here. If you go by Anantha Krishnan's report from Feb. The nirbhay project is technically closed. Multiple new projects LRLACM,SLCM and ITCM replaces it. (Makes sense to continue calling the land variant Nirbhay though )
  • LRLACM fired from Brahmos UVLS. ie, ship-based
  • Indigenous Technology Cruise Missile (ITCM) ground and air-launched with RF seeker.
  • SLCM (Submarine Launched Cruise Missile) development started in 2017, Confirmed multiple times
There is no evidence that these will have an additional stage with 'ramjet engine'. Even the russian Kalibr only have solid fuel rocket at the terminal stage. It will be very expensive and too difficult to master. And honestly unnecesary.

The LFRJ propultion will be used for the STAR (Supersonic Target system) project.

@hellbent

There is a missile under development since few years ( 10 years ) which is subsonic but is supersonic during terminal phase.

I posted on it long time back

It is known as Dual Speed Cruise missile ( DSCM ) under development by drdo which will feature a turbofan as main stage and a ramjet engine as second stage. Once it gets nearer to the enemy target, it will jettison its turbofan and fire up the ramjet engine for supersonic engagement during its terminal phase .

I suspect it is for navy

I recently found a wheeled vehicle with a 8 celled missile launcher explicitly mentioning " anti ship missiles " as it's payload.

Also LFRJ is not limited to STAR , it will have other variants like surface to surface and air to surface .
 
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