Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions

No. For super majority, NDA needs 362 seats in LS and 159 or 167 in RS. You need 2/3rd majority to change the constitution, until then it's Indira/Rajiv Gandhi's constitution.

The system currently belongs to Congress.
so what will you gain by changing the constitution , overnite become a super power ? Its like saying I will fight a war when I have the military I want. Well bloody hell you need to fight the war to get the military you want.

This govt is no different from prev govt, its just they are differently colored. Right from corruption , police reforms, judicial reforms , economic growth...etc we are severly lagging behind. They cant even properly maintain the internal security, foreign agencies are running riot.

BJP is the new congress. Most of the ppl who voted for bjp are embarrassed to accept that reality, they keep saying another majority ,another 20 years...etc.

 
There are weird people everywhere, they will take it up. Only idiots will do it anyway, so that should benefit America. Brainlessdrain.
Hmm.... good point but our rednecks are still whole lot smarter than Russia and we need our redneck's DNA to keep the white race majority here in Murrrca. No deal!
 
Oh, and btw, Britain's crumbling? The NHS is falling apart? Infrastructure's old and insufficient? The army's weak and underfunded? People's real incomes have stagnated?

Its got absolutely nothing to do with the complete lack of investments or the austerity cuts for 14 years. Just blame it on two consenting adult men being allowed to have sex in their own room. And that btw is muslim conspiracy. Also, the woke lizardmen are running a racket in a pizza place.

All the best.
It's got everything to do with 2008, which happened under Labour's watch. It was always going to take a long time to fix that, and things like COVID-19 didn't help. All the problems still trace back to 2008, things like uncontrolled illegal immigration are just exacerbating factors.
 
so what will you gain by changing the constitution , overnite become a super power ? Its like saying I will fight a war when I have the military I want. Well bloody hell you need to fight the war to get the military you want.

This govt is no different from prev govt, its just they are differently colored. Right from corruption , police reforms, judicial reforms , economic growth...etc we are severly lagging behind. They cant even properly maintain the internal security, foreign agencies are running riot.

BJP is the new congress. Most of the ppl who voted for bjp are embarrassed to accept that reality, they keep saying another majority ,another 20 years...etc.


Super majority will allow big bang reforms, like they did with GST. It's necessary to make such changes in our bureaucracy too.

BJP cannot make land, farm and labour reforms without a super majority because the Opposition isn't playing ball, for obvious reasons, it's their system after all. The only system that's on the BJP's side, only because they are nation-first, is the military. The rest of the system is still pro-Congress. For example, even in the PM's Relief Fund, a Congressman is a permanent sitting director, which is why Modi was forced to create an alternative fund during COVID.

Arctic spoke about 1991, it's simple. RSS are pro-India, the short duration of Rao's PM-ship was pro-India. That's when Vajpayee and Rao cleaned up Congress, Naxalites and the CPI-M (LTTE too). For example, RSS was the one who put Mamta Banerjee in power in Bengal, post the destruction of CPI-M. It's also why India went nuclear and also fought a war that the Pakistanis assumed India wouldn't fight. For a brief moment, both RSS and Rao's Congress was united. It's actually the reason why the current Congress hates Rao.

Congress did not support liberalization of India.

Funny how Modi had to felicitate him.

I find it funny that people don't realize Rao was anti-Nehru/Gandhi himself. And even more funny that he was pretty much the best Congress PM in terms of economic development that we had, and the only one at the time outside the Nehru-Gandhi family. It was under him that we decided to go nuclear, not Vajpayee. The latter merely continued with Rao's plan.

Read the first comment by Aditya Kulkarni.

Rao is the real father of India, saved us when we were on the brink of communism, or at least as important as Deng Xiaoping was for China. He deserves a massive statue of his own.
 
Are they really?

People with zero history of crime or even a traffic ticket being jailed for Facebook posts for many years not good enough?

Get your news from Twitter, MSM is dead.



This guy was arrested for posting the British flag on Facebook. And apparently, here, the Somalian flag lookalike is not a big deal.

Another one:


Firms could be required to suppress posts even if they are not illegal
 
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It's got everything to do with 2008, which happened under Labour's watch. It was always going to take a long time to fix that, and things like COVID-19 didn't help. All the problems still trace back to 2008, things like uncontrolled illegal immigration are just exacerbating factors.

Sunak had to deal with the quadruple whammy of Brexit, COVID, Truss and a very short term in office. He needed a second term. Too late for that.

Starmer's gonna end the UK. Watch how he kills the middle class in the coming budget.

The Tories fought against Brexit, but Brexit was necessary as the first step to introduce communism in the UK. So congratulations. I told you long ago Brexit will do the opposite of what you think it will do for immigration. You have successfully imported the Third World instead of regular Europeans like the Polish. And the Third World immigrants are completely pro-Labour. Say goodbye to elections.

Google "The Fabian Society."
 
Sunak had to deal with the quadruple whammy of Brexit, COVID, Truss and a very short term in office. He needed a second term. Too late for that.

Starmer's gonna end the UK. Watch how he kills the middle class in the coming budget.

The Tories fought against Brexit, but Brexit was necessary as the first step to introduce communism in the UK. So congratulations. I told you long ago Brexit will do the opposite of what you think it will do for immigration. You have successfully imported the Third World instead of regular Europeans like the Polish. And the Third World immigrants are completely pro-Labour. Say goodbye to elections.

Google "The Fabian Society."
Non-EU immigration is entirely independent of Brexit.

As for the rest, Labour will do the same thing it always does, *censored* the country's finances up. How much depends how long they get, hopefully less than 10 years, preferably no more than 5 years. As for Reform, I wouldn't be surprised if they were funded by Labour because they work entirely in Labour's favour.
 
Gotta type it out on phone at this point, so will keep it brief. Anyone desiring receipts, lemme know, i'll write them up after work and studies (and ppl who have bothered to read my posts abt russia and finances would at least know i try not to just make bs up).
Super majority will allow big bang reforms, like they did with GST.
That's also presumably preventing them from stopping the deterioration in the country's fiscal health and doing quality controls on their much touted infra projects?
BJP cannot make land, farm and labour reforms without a super majority because the Opposition isn't playing ball, for obvious reasons, it's their system after all.
When the BJP has supermajority, if it ever does, it won't be able to do any of the above because the opposition would still exist and they wouldn't have dictatorial powers.

No one asked them to withdraw the farm bills, they were afraid of the political consequences.

GST at this point is flawed. Demonitisation was fundamentally useless, a lot of india's infra spending at this point is getting eaten up in corruption and mismanagement and the need to feel "proud" by looking at reels than practical urban design/problems, just compare ind as to ifrs/us gaap/k-ifrs/japanese gaap, its a joke.
which is why Modi was forced to create an alternative fund during COVID.
A fund that is completely exempt from rti or cag. But apparently supreme leader also needs that opaqueness.
RSS are pro-India, the short duration of Rao's PM-ship was pro-India.
Yeah, sure
And even more funny that he was pretty much the best Congress PM in terms of economic development that we had
It always better to dismiss the growth under Manmohan Singh's premiership until 2011 by calling him a puppet, or by suddenly forgetting how to read numbers, but sure
It was under him that we decided to go nuclear, not Vajpayee.
1974 must have been a weird accident then.
He deserves a massive statue of his own.
What's with this bizarre obssession with statues?
They aren't gonna help when the hi-tech sanctions start slicing across the economy.

Congress did not support liberalization of India.
Ah, TIL Manmohan Singh, Montek Ahluwalia and PVN Rao were in the BJP.
Get your news from Twitter, MSM is dead.
Right, the absolute bastion of free speech.



Starmer's gonna end the UK. Watch how he kills the middle class in the coming budget.
Right, yeah, sure


Didn't know the absolute stagnation in real incomes from 2010-2014 was under the Labour party.

The Tories fought against Brexit
Right. Andrew Lee, Michael Gove, Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg and then Theresa May, Jeremy Hunt etc were Labour/Lib Dem. Thanks a lot for the info.
You have successfully imported the Third World instead of regular Europeans like the Polish.
Oh yeah, sure, now the left is to blame for the brexiteers being devoid of common sense.
Say goodbye to elections.
Ahhh, right, okay, sure.

And if free and fair elections happen in 2029? I'm sure you'll take accountability for your words?

Or will that be a muslim, third world, lgbt, climate change, left conspiracy as well?

At this point, googling paranoia might be a better use of time.

Look, not sure if its gonna get through, but in this world, religion or ideology is less relevant than industrial prowess. Any country that maintains its industrial edge will win. The countries that don't will be relegated to the sidelines, regardless of size.

There's a reason why inspite of demographic stagnation, japan and sk will be relevant. And why biden arm twisted anyone he could to get industries back to the us. Its why the eu is willing to spend 10s of billions to get battery, auto and semicon manufacturing back.

Where's india on all this? Nowhere. Does it even have a half sensible policy? It doesn't.

Talk to your students, people are taking high skill qualifications in industrial domains, getting no suitable jobs in india, are either going abroad or taking up a job in an unrelated sectors. Upon that, your statistics quality is horribly bad, your filings are obscure. At this point, you could actually call the govt the NDA/No Data Available govt.

Of course, anyone raising questions is an urban naxal, [all buzzwords you wanna use].
 
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Get your news from Twitter, MSM is dead.
Because russian disinformation bots are more reliable. :rolleyes:

Zero fact checking, zero nuance, zero accountability, just short stories in less than 300 characters, driven by "engagement" algorithms that rewards rage-bait schlock, that's your future of news?

The Tories fought against Brexit,
That's what getting your news from Twitter will get you. A complete rewriting of history based on opposite facts from the magical world of Rirrom, where everything is reversed.

Non-EU immigration is entirely independent of Brexit.
Not entirely, no. There's a reason non-EU immigration skyrocketed after Brexit. Britain still needs cheap labor, and if it can't get seasonal workers from Eastern European countries that come during work season to harvest stuff and then move back to the continent to seek other seasonal jobs until the next harvest; then it'll get immigrants from outside Europe that will remain indefinitely even when their labor is not needed.
 
Not entirely, no. There's a reason non-EU immigration skyrocketed after Brexit. Britain still needs cheap labor, and if it can't get seasonal workers from Eastern European countries that come during work season to harvest stuff and then move back to the continent to seek other seasonal jobs until the next harvest; then it'll get immigrants from outside Europe that will remain indefinitely even when their labor is not needed.
LOL, no. These are not immigrants we've asked for or want in any way, these are just dipshits who've turned up on boats because their own country is shit but the rest of Europe isn't good enough for them. Sorry, I should have been clearer, non-EU immigration we've requested is not a problem, it's all the illegal dipshits.
 
Non-EU immigration is entirely independent of Brexit.

As for the rest, Labour will do the same thing it always does, *censored* the country's finances up. How much depends how long they get, hopefully less than 10 years, preferably no more than 5 years. As for Reform, I wouldn't be surprised if they were funded by Labour because they work entirely in Labour's favour.

EU migration reduced the need for TW migration.
 
Super majority will allow big bang reforms, like they did with GST. It's necessary to make such changes in our bureaucracy too.
ganta karega , when congress had 400+ majority all they did was corruption. super majority will breed more arrogance & complacency.
There needs to be pressure to perform & non performance should be punished. Remember Rao ran a minority govt & achieved lot more things that BJP have done with majority.
Rao is the real father of India, saved us when we were on the brink of communism, or at least as important as Deng Xiaoping was for China. He deserves a massive statue of his own.
what happened with Rao was a total disgrace, he deserved to be treated in a better manner. congress has treated every non-gandhi family members with absolute disrespect.
 
EU migration reduced the need for TW migration.
Its funny how the conservatives who were apparently "fighting against brexit" made the freedom of movement, which is what enabled EU migration, one of the biggest issues during the brexit campaign. And the conservatives, who were in power till 2024, ruled it out as part of any brexit deal.

But nevermind, that's labour's fault.
 
That's also presumably preventing them from stopping the deterioration in the country's fiscal health and doing quality controls on their much touted infra projects?

Fiscal health is a global phenomenon. The West is killing the middle class. Our fiscal health was temporarily held hostage by COVID. Look how well deficit and inflation have been controlled during that time.

When the BJP has supermajority, if it ever does, it won't be able to do any of the above because the opposition would still exist and they wouldn't have dictatorial powers.

Lol. That's the point of the supermajority. The Opposition can do jacksh!t with less than 1/3rd of the seats.

A govt with 2/3rd majority in both houses is basically a dictatorship. That's why Congress believes this election was a win, they managed to stop BJP/NDA going across 362 seats in LS, never mind 400-paar, which even I considered a joke before the elections.

No one asked them to withdraw the farm bills, they were afraid of the political consequences.

They didn't. The SC put a stay on it.


GST at this point is flawed. Demonitisation was fundamentally useless, a lot of india's infra spending at this point is getting eaten up in corruption and mismanagement and the need to feel "proud" by looking at reels than practical urban design/problems, just compare ind as to ifrs/us gaap/k-ifrs/japanese gaap, its a joke.

GST is doing fine. "Flawed" is only in the minds of the left. Demonetization was sold as something else but was targeted towards outsiders. It impacted crime in Kashmir, NE, WB and Kerala and overall terrorism related activities within India.

It always better to dismiss the growth under Manmohan Singh's premiership until 2011 by calling him a puppet, or by suddenly forgetting how to read numbers, but sure

You mean how the reforms carried out by BJP carried into the first few years of UPA, but the UPA failed to capitalize on it and pretty much collapsed the economy all over again?

1974 must have been a weird accident then.

It was a non-weaponized test. While I say Rao was the best PM for the economy, Indira was the best when it came to FP. Modi is coming up for both, but he needs supermajority to initiate changes, otherwise he's just a lameduck PM with limited power.

There is some opportunity for change if he gets majority in RS for a few years, but supermajority is critical.

What's with this bizarre obssession with statues?
They aren't gonna help when the hi-tech sanctions start slicing across the economy.

Colonization had affected India's overall psyche. Nationalism needs to be reignited, that requires heroes. Ever seen Enemy at the Gates?

We need monuments that celebrate the past (Patel statue, Shivaji statue, temples, Statue of Liberty) as well as monuments that celebrate the future (Chandrayaan, space station, military power, Apollo missions). Where we come from and where we plan to go.

Ah, TIL Manmohan Singh, Montek Ahluwalia and PVN Rao were in the BJP.

Rao isn't considered a Congressi by the INC.

Right, the absolute bastion of free speech.



Libel is still an offense, sometimes illegal, like in India. We call it defamation. Impersonation is also illegal in pretty much all countries.

Right, yeah, sure


Didn't know the absolute stagnation in real incomes from 2010-2014 was under the Labour party.

Brexit + COVID. This impacted pretty much the entire world.

What's gonna happen now is the deliberate end of the middle class in the West.

Right. Andrew Lee, Michael Gove, Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg and then Theresa May, Jeremy Hunt etc were Labour/Lib Dem. Thanks a lot for the info.

So what? The PM represents the Tories, not a few stragglers. This is no different from you calling Rao as the representation of the entire Congress party.

Oh yeah, sure, now the left is to blame for the brexiteers being devoid of common sense.

Ahhh, right, okay, sure.

And if free and fair elections happen in 2029? I'm sure you'll take accountability for your words?

Or will that be a muslim, third world, lgbt, climate change, left conspiracy as well?

At this point, googling paranoia might be a better use of time.

As long as the locals fight back, things will be fine. Look at what's happening in Germany now. Or in the Netherlands or more recently in Sweden.

Look, not sure if its gonna get through, but in this world, religion or ideology is less relevant than industrial prowess. Any country that maintains its industrial edge will win. The countries that don't will be relegated to the sidelines, regardless of size.

That's not relevant to the discussion. You can become a world leader and still kill freedom of speech and the middle class. China's living proof of that. Singapore is also an example; Yew was essentially a dictator.

There's a reason why inspite of demographic stagnation, japan and sk will be relevant. And why biden arm twisted anyone he could to get industries back to the us. Its why the eu is willing to spend 10s of billions to get battery, auto and semicon manufacturing back.

Japan and S Koreans are not leftists. They are extremely conservative societies and value culture.

Where's india on all this? Nowhere. Does it even have a half sensible policy? It doesn't.

Can't make significant policy changes without supermajority. Land and labor law changes are critical to that.

Talk to your students, people are taking high skill qualifications in industrial domains, getting no suitable jobs in india, are either going abroad or taking up a job in an unrelated sectors. Upon that, your statistics quality is horribly bad, your filings are obscure. At this point, you could actually call the govt the NDA/No Data Available govt.

Sure, we have a labor surplus. Manpower is our greatest export. That's also why we have the highest remittances.

Of course, anyone raising questions is an urban naxal, [all buzzwords you wanna use].

Raise all the questions you want. But most people only have stupid things to say.

How many scams have the BJP run versus the Congress?
 
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Because russian disinformation bots are more reliable. :rolleyes:

Zero fact checking, zero nuance, zero accountability, just short stories in less than 300 characters, driven by "engagement" algorithms that rewards rage-bait schlock, that's your future of news?

You can watch unfiltered videos and news and come to your own opinions on X, not get spoonfed.

Look at what happened to your Rafale deal with the UAE. Try and explain that.

That's what getting your news from Twitter will get you. A complete rewriting of history based on opposite facts from the magical world of Rirrom, where everything is reversed.

What's Rirrom? Anyway, Cameron did not want Brexit. The two clowns that came after May are a different breed. May also supported Remain alongside Cameron.

You are confusing population votes with party positions. The real difference was between the English and the Scottish, not left or right.

Not entirely, no. There's a reason non-EU immigration skyrocketed after Brexit. Britain still needs cheap labor, and if it can't get seasonal workers from Eastern European countries that come during work season to harvest stuff and then move back to the continent to seek other seasonal jobs until the next harvest; then it'll get immigrants from outside Europe that will remain indefinitely even when their labor is not needed.

Sure. But that was my point when I told this to BMD years ago. That the UK needs immigrants, the only choice is whether it's Eastern European or TW.
 
ganta karega , when congress had 400+ majority all they did was corruption. super majority will breed more arrogance & complacency.
There needs to be pressure to perform & non performance should be punished. Remember Rao ran a minority govt & achieved lot more things that BJP have done with majority.

Another point I made a long time ago. We need 10-15 years of BJP and 5 years of Congress. But this time a supermajority is required for BJP to push reforms. Otherwise a 50% majority govt in LS with RS being the main battleground (which benefits states directly) is the best result, as long as the economy is taken care of, which requires reforms.

Every 2 or 3 decades we need big bang reforms, which requires a supermajority.

If Congress gets a supermajority in the future before we get rich, we are screwed.

what happened with Rao was a total disgrace, he deserved to be treated in a better manner. congress has treated every non-gandhi family members with absolute disrespect.

Exactly. Congress only has disrespect for Rao because he was pro-India/pro-Hindu. A very crucial point there. He is blamed for Congress losing a significant share of the votebank. Otherwise, Congress had very carefully created an environment where a middle class did not exist. We were on our way towards a communist society.

China is now busy correcting the mistake of having created a middle class.
 
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Its funny how the conservatives who were apparently "fighting against brexit" made the freedom of movement, which is what enabled EU migration, one of the biggest issues during the brexit campaign. And the conservatives, who were in power till 2024, ruled it out as part of any brexit deal.

But nevermind, that's labour's fault.

England/Wales vs Scotland/Ireland. That was the vote division. Not conservatives or leftists.

Where Corbyn paid lip service to Remain in 2016, he has now vowed to sit out a future referendum altogether, going further even than Wilson in 1975.

Promising that as prime minister he would negotiate a “sensible” deal with the EU before putting it to the public in a referendum, he wrote in the Guardian: “I will pledge to carry out whatever the people decide, as a Labour prime minister.”


So yeah, right...

Someday people here will understand that politicians' words and actions are not 'always' aligned. Read this article.

Starmer: Will not remove winter allowance.
-Removed winter allowance.
Starmer: Will not bring in new taxes.
-Gonna bring in new taxes.

Wake up, sheeple. There's a reason why the UAE's Rafale deal is on the fritz.