Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions

Why don't you show them.
1891-1958 -- zero economy and one of the poorest nation in the world under British exploitation.
1958-today = Growth --Thank god they got rid of British exploiters and pushed out of poverty that left behind by the British occupiers


The lesser the British control over Singapore, the higher they grow economically
The higher the British control over Singapore, poorer the Singapore become.

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So he let his people starve instead.:LOL:

His peoples were in much worse condition under colonial rule just like just like the peoples of Singapore under colonial rule.
The previous colonial economy was 98% owned by British settlers where a black African is not even allowed to live in the capital and most of the nation's territory which is 'white reserved' area. The previous economy was for the settlers for the enjoyment of the settlers when native blacks suffered and died in the Bushes.

Mugabe's revolution turned the natives from being oppressed peoples who forced to live in the bushes to the owners of their own land.
The Agricultural productivity of Zimbabwe decreased mostly because of their increase in population.

https://www.populationpyramid.net/zimbabwe/1980/
Zimbabwe Agriculture productivity - data, chart | TheGlobalEconomy.com

The economy of Zimbabwe actually increased after Independence especially after 2007. The main gain here is that unlike the economy that existed before 1980 under colonial occupation which was 98% owned by British settlers, This time it is completely owned by the native Africans.

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Show the graph before 1950.

1958-1965 = Growth
1963-1966 = British beat down the commie thugs.
1965 = Growth continued.



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Growth does not just happen instantly, it is the work done years beforehand that creates it too.

And now they are starving. I wouldn't call that much better offer. I would call that dumbassery.

Over the first 29 years, GDP fell. Their currency went bust. They have half the GDP/capita of India, which is pitiful. Between 1960 and 1980 GDP/Capita quintupled. The more control they had, the worse they did.
 
Show the graph before 1950.

1958-1965 = Growth
1963-1966 = British beat down the commie thugs.
1965 = Growth continued.



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Growth does not just happen instantly, it is the work done years beforehand that creates it too.

1891-1958 -- zero economy and one of the poorest nation in the world under British exploitation.
1958-today = Growth --Thanks to kicking out British occupiers

Lol.. You won't see the graph of British controlled Singapore's economy in a chart which have another nations before 1960, since it was too small to represent in a graph which can accommodate other nation's gdp.

The total GDP of Singapore in 1990 was just 38million dollars. Actually their GDP increased by about 33% during the japanese occupation during the World war 2 even in the middle of war. That says how fvcked up the British occupation was for the Singaporeans. They grew faster under Japanese occupation in the middle of worldwar 2 than the peace time under inglorious British regime.

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And now they are starving. I wouldn't call that much better offer. I would call that dumbassery.

Over the first 29 years, GDP fell. Their currency went bust. They have half the GDP/capita of India, which is pitiful. Between 1960 and 1980 GDP/Capita quintupled. The more control they had, the worse they did.

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The economy before 1980 was not useful to black Africans due to segregation, racism and occupation of white British settlers.

The current economy is 100% owned by natives and it is growing rapidly for the last 1 decade and that is a great win for Africans.
 
Brexit caused by low levels of education, study finds

A slight increase in higher education could have kept Britain in the EU

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Access to higher education was the 'predominant factor' in how people voted in the referendum ( AFP )


Britain would have likely voted to remain in the European Union were its population educated to a slightly higher level, a new study has found.


Researchers at the University of Leicester say that had just 3 per cent more of the population gone to university, the UK would probably not be leaving the EU.


The researchers looked at reasons why people voted Leave and found that whether someone had been to university or accessed other higher education was the “predominant factor” in how they voted.




The paper, published in the peer-reviewed journal World Development, applied a multivariate regression analysis and logit model to areas of the country to identify why people voted the way they did.


The level of higher education in an area was far more important than age, gender, the number of immigrants, or income in predicting the way an area voted, the researchers found.


Age and gender were both significant but not as important as education level, the researchers found. Income and number of immigrants in an area were not found to be a significant factor in how people voted.


The researchers also found that a lower rate of turnout – by just 7 per cent – would also likely have changed the result to Remain.


The last Labour government set a target of half of young people accessing higher education and there has been a large expansion in numbers in recent decades. Universities UK says it expected the number of people in employment with higher education qualifications to have risen from 28.7 per cent in 2002 to 51.3 per cent in 2022


Dr Aihua Zhang, from the University of Leicester’s Department of Mathematics, said: “The EU referendum raised significant debate and speculation of the intention of the electorate and its motivations in voting. Much of this debate was informed by simple data analysis examining individual factors, in isolation, and using opinion polling data.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html
 
Brexit caused by low levels of education, study finds

A slight increase in higher education could have kept Britain in the EU

exam-room.jpg

Access to higher education was the 'predominant factor' in how people voted in the referendum ( AFP )


Britain would have likely voted to remain in the European Union were its population educated to a slightly higher level, a new study has found.


Researchers at the University of Leicester say that had just 3 per cent more of the population gone to university, the UK would probably not be leaving the EU.


The researchers looked at reasons why people voted Leave and found that whether someone had been to university or accessed other higher education was the “predominant factor” in how they voted.




The paper, published in the peer-reviewed journal World Development, applied a multivariate regression analysis and logit model to areas of the country to identify why people voted the way they did.


The level of higher education in an area was far more important than age, gender, the number of immigrants, or income in predicting the way an area voted, the researchers found.


Age and gender were both significant but not as important as education level, the researchers found. Income and number of immigrants in an area were not found to be a significant factor in how people voted.


The researchers also found that a lower rate of turnout – by just 7 per cent – would also likely have changed the result to Remain.


The last Labour government set a target of half of young people accessing higher education and there has been a large expansion in numbers in recent decades. Universities UK says it expected the number of people in employment with higher education qualifications to have risen from 28.7 per cent in 2002 to 51.3 per cent in 2022


Dr Aihua Zhang, from the University of Leicester’s Department of Mathematics, said: “The EU referendum raised significant debate and speculation of the intention of the electorate and its motivations in voting. Much of this debate was informed by simple data analysis examining individual factors, in isolation, and using opinion polling data.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html
:LOL: A slight increase in higher education? There has been a massive increase in higher education in the last 20 years. Far more students are going to university than there are jobs for. What they really mean is a slight increase in brainwashing.
 
1891-1958 -- zero economy and one of the poorest nation in the world under British exploitation.
1958-today = Growth --Thanks to kicking out British occupiers

Lol.. You won't see the graph of British controlled Singapore's economy in a chart which have another nations before 1960, since it was too small to represent in a graph which can accommodate other nation's gdp.

The total GDP of Singapore in 1990 was just 38million dollars. Actually their GDP increased by about 33% during the japanese occupation during the World war 2 even in the middle of war. That says how fvcked up the British occupation was for the Singaporeans. They grew faster under Japanese occupation in the middle of worldwar 2 than the peace time under inglorious British regime.

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And now they are starving. I wouldn't call that much better offer. I would call that dumbassery.



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The economy before 1980 was not useful to black Africans due to segregation, racism and occupation of white British settlers.

The current economy is 100% owned by natives and it is growing rapidly for the last 1 decade and that is a great win for Africans.
Show the graph before 1950.

1958-1965 = Growth
1963-1966 = British beat down the commie thugs.
1965 = Growth continued.



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Have you any evidence for any GDP claims prior to 1950?

And by the way graphs always look like that due to the scale. It is very difficult to see the growth at small values. E.g. this graph is for the US and it doesn't look much different to your graph pre-1969.

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A great win after a food shortage and their currency going bust and the IMF and World Bank having to step in. A great win when you grow to a GDP/Capita of $1k. In 2009 their GDP/Capita was lower than Afghanistan's and they were starving despite starting off as the bread basket of Africa. Mnangagwa started inviting back white farmers.

Zimbabwe's exiled farmers urged to return home as agriculture struggles

Zimbabwe's exiled farmers urged to return home as agricultural industry struggles

Yes, very well done Mugabe.:LOL:
 
Show the graph before 1950.

1958-1965 = Growth
1963-1966 = British beat down the commie thugs.
1965 = Growth continued.



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Have you any evidence for any GDP claims prior to 1950?

And by the way graphs always look like that due to the scale. It is very difficult to see the growth at small values. E.g. this graph is for the US and it doesn't look much different to your graph pre-1969.

united-states-gdp.png


A great win after a food shortage and their currency going bust and the IMF and World Bank having to step in. A great win when you grow to a GDP/Capita of $1k. In 2009 their GDP/Capita was lower than Afghanistan's and they were starving despite starting off as the bread basket of Africa. Mnangagwa started inviting back white farmers.

Zimbabwe's exiled farmers urged to return home as agriculture struggles

Zimbabwe's exiled farmers urged to return home as agricultural industry struggles

Yes, very well done Mugabe.:LOL:


Lol.. If you really wanted to know about the situation of Singaporean economy, you would have read about how it was a poor third world country in 1960 by now. The internet is filled with that story. Again, the entire Singapore economy was around 600 million in 1960, so no normal scales can show it anyway.

Mugabe's aim was to take ownership of land and he did it successfully. Now government is leasing left over lands for 99 years.
 
:LOL: A slight increase in higher education? There has been a massive increase in higher education in the last 20 years. Far more students are going to university than there are jobs for. What they really mean is a slight increase in brainwashing.

According to that study, if there was a 7% increase in education level, Brexit would have failed.
 
Lol.. If you really wanted to know about the situation of Singaporean economy, you would have read about how it was a poor third world country in 1960 by now. The internet is filled with that story. Again, the entire Singapore economy was around 600 million in 1960, so no normal scales can show it anyway.

Mugabe's aim was to take ownership of land and he did it successfully. Now government is leasing left over lands for 99 years.
Evidence, you're just posting words? 3rd world?

Mugabe destroyed the country's economy and food production output and ruined the currency with hyper inflation. He deserves zero accolades and much criticism for the brutality with which he failed on every level as a human being and as a leader.

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Modern day Yemen.
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According to that study, if there was a 7% increase in education level, Brexit would have failed.
If there was a 7% increase in higher education, the economy would fail. And it's debatable whether higher education people voted for Remain because they were 'educated' or simply because they were young and inexperienced. The age group that voted most heavily in favour of Leave were the same people who voted us into the EEC in the first place. They've seen the whole thing from the start, and the EU has changed their mind. I'm more inclined to trust their opinion.
 
Evidence, you're just posting words? 3rd world?

Singapore at 50: From Third World to First
ECONOMIC HISTORY OF SINGAPORE | Facts and Details
Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew: From third to first world

A great book on the same subject
https://www.amazon.in/Third-World-First-Lee-Kuan/dp/0060197765

Mugabe destroyed the country's economy and food production output and ruined the currency with hyper inflation. He deserves zero accolades and much criticism for the brutality with which he failed on every level as a human being and as a leader.

Here are some of his victories.
1)He liberated his country from the minority British settler government
2)His Guerillas made sure that racist laws passed against the blacks are removed and reclaimed the human dignity of black Zimbabweans.
3)He reclaimed land for black Zimbabweans who where expelled and forced to live in reserved areas under British settler rule. Now they are no longer living in the reserves.



Great job !! you managed to post a pic of a random building and the picture of another random building bombed by the Saudis.
 
Singapore at 50: From Third World to First
ECONOMIC HISTORY OF SINGAPORE | Facts and Details
Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew: From third to first world

A great book on the same subject
https://www.amazon.in/Third-World-First-Lee-Kuan/dp/0060197765



Here are some of his victories.
1)He liberated his country from the minority British settler government
2)His Guerillas made sure that racist laws passed against the blacks are removed and reclaimed the human dignity of black Zimbabweans.
3)He reclaimed land for black Zimbabweans who where expelled and forced to live in reserved areas under British settler rule. Now they are no longer living in the reserves.




Great job !! you managed to post a pic of a random building and the picture of another random building bombed by the Saudis.
First one written by a Muslim, then RT. Find better sources. Have you ever considered that the Western democracy bestowed upon it towards the end may have helped? Growth also takes preparation for a number of years, it doesn't just happen. Britain laid the foundations before growth took off in 1958, and also prevented them being invaded by a dictatorship between 1963 and 1966. The democratic template is something that most take for granted.

1) His guerrillas made racist laws against whites and beat political opponents to death (black and white).
2) His policies created a food shortage.
3) His policies created hyper-inflation and stagnation for 30 years.
4) In the end he was booted out by his own party for gross incompetence and his policies are now being reversed.

In short he was an idiot.

I note you had nothing to say about Yemen.
 
First one written by a Muslim, then RT. Find better sources. Have you ever considered that the Western democracy bestowed upon it towards the end may have helped? Growth also takes preparation for a number of years, it doesn't just happen. Britain laid the foundations before growth took off in 1958, and also prevented them being invaded by a dictatorship between 1963 and 1966. The democratic template is something that most take for granted.

You are xenophobic. He is a Muslim so what? An I supposed to find one of your queen's subject? Ok, her you go

Singapore: From third world to first
Singapore, from third to first world country: The effect of development in Little India and Chinatown

1) His guerrillas made racist laws against whites and beat political opponents to death (black and white).
2) His policies created a food shortage.
3) His policies created hyper-inflation and stagnation for 30 years.
4) In the end he was booted out by his own party for gross incompetence and his policies are now being reversed.

In short he was an idiot.

He was very tolerent towards the white British settler minority untill the Brits unilaterally widrown from Lancaster House Agreement in the early 2000s. Untill then, he was trying to bring land reform though compensation without using force. once the brits unilaterally windrown, he had no choice but to go ahead with forceful land reform.

Again, he liberated his peoples from the absolute opression and racism by the British setlers and bought his peoples out from reserves.

I note you had nothing to say about Yemen.

Two random pictures deserves nothing more.
 
You are xenophobic. He is a Muslim so what? An I supposed to find one of your queen's subject? Ok, her you go

Singapore: From third world to first
Singapore, from third to first world country: The effect of development in Little India and Chinatown



He was very tolerent towards the white British settler minority untill the Brits unilaterally widrown from Lancaster House Agreement in the early 2000s. Untill then, he was trying to bring land reform though compensation without using force. once the brits unilaterally windrown, he had no choice but to go ahead with forceful land reform.

Again, he liberated his peoples from the absolute opression and racism by the British setlers and bought his peoples out from reserves.



Two random pictures deserves nothing more.
Prone to babbling crap and believing anything he reads.

The first stage of that transition was started by the British. They did a good job afterwards too, but Britain set the ball rolling in the late 1950s and prevented Communist regression supported by the USSR and China between 1963 and 1966 from holding them back.

Educate yourself:

Land reform in Zimbabwe - Wikipedia

The government organised a referendum on the new constitution in February 2000, despite having a sufficiently large majority in parliament to pass any amendment it wished. Had it been approved, the new constitution would have empowered the government to acquire land compulsorily without compensation. Despite vast support in the media, the new constitution was defeated, 55% to 45%.

A few days later, the pro-Mugabe Zimbabwe National Liberation War Veterans Association (ZNLWVA) organised several people (including but not limited to war veterans; many of them were their children and grandchildren) to march on white-owned farmlands, initially with drums, song and dance. This movement was officially termed the "Fast-Track Land Reform Program" (FTLRP). The predominantly white farm owners were forced off their lands along with their workers, who were typically of regional descent. This was often done violently and without compensation. In this first wave of farm invasions, a total of 110,000 square kilometres of land had been seized. Several million black farm workers were excluded from the redistribution, leaving them without employment. According to Human Rights Watch, by 2002 the War Veterans Association had "killed white farm owners in the course of occupying commercial farms" on at least seven occasions, in addition to "several tens of [black] farm workers".[32] The first white farmers to die as a direct consequence of the resettlement programme were murdered by Zimbabwean paramilitaries in mid-2000. More commonly, violence was directed against farmworkers, who were often assaulted and killed by the war veterans and their supporters.[33] Violent confrontations between the farmers and the war veterans occurred and resulted in exchanges of gunfire, as well as a state of armed siege on the affected farms.[34]

Officially the land was divided into small-holder production, so called A1 schemes and commercial farms, called A2 schemes. There is however much overlap between the two categories.[35]

The violent takeover of Alamein Farm by retired Army General Solomon Mujuru sparked the first legal action against one of Robert Mugabe's inner circle.[36][37] In late 2002 the seizure was ruled illegal by the High and Supreme Courts of Zimbabwe; however the previous owner was unable to effect the court orders and General Mujuru continued living at the farm until his death on 15 August 2011.[38][39] Many other legal challenges to land acquisition or to eviction were not successful.[40]

On 10 June 2004, a spokesperson for the British embassy, Sophie Honey, said:[41]

The UK has not reneged on commitments (made) at Lancaster House. At Lancaster House the British Government made clear that the long-term requirements of land reform in Zimbabwe were beyond the capacity of any individual donor country.Since [Zimbabwe's] independence we have provided 44 million pounds for land reform in Zimbabwe and 500 million pounds in bilateral development assistance.The UK remains a strong advocate for effective, well managed and pro-poor land reform. Fast-track land reform has not been implemented in line with these principles and we cannot support it.

The Minister for Lands, Land Reform and Resettlement, John Nkomo, had declared five days earlier that all land, from crop fields to wildlife conservancies, would soon become state property. Farmland deeds would be replaced with 99-year leases, while leases for wildlife conservancies would be limited to 25 years.[42] There have since been denials of this policy, however.[citation needed]

Parliament, dominated by Zanu-PF, passed a constitutional amendment, signed into law on 12 September 2005, that nationalised farmland acquired through the "Fast Track" process and deprived original landowners of the right to challenge in court the government's decision to expropriate their land.[43] The Supreme Court of Zimbabwe ruled against legal challenges to this amendment.[44] The case (Campbell v Republic of Zimbabwe) was heard by the SADC Tribunal in 2008, which held that the Zimbabwean government violated the SADC treaty by denying access to the courts and engaging in racial discrimination against white farmers whose lands had been confiscated and that compensation should be paid.[45] However, the High Court refused to register the Tribunal's judgment and ultimately, Zimbabwe withdrew from the Tribunal in August 2009.[46]

In January 2006, Agriculture Minister Joseph Made said Zimbabwe was considering legislation that would compel commercial banks to finance black peasants who had been allocated formerly white-owned farmland in the land reforms. Made warned that banks failing to lend a substantial portion of their income to these farmers would have their licenses withdrawn.

The newly resettled peasants had largely failed to secure loans from commercial banks because they did not have title over the land on which they were resettled, and thus could not use it as collateral. With no security of tenure on the farms, banks have been reluctant to extend loans to the new farmers, many of whom do not have much experience in commercial farming, nor assets to provide alternative collateral for any borrowed money.[47]

By going against a democratic vote and exercising racism and brutality. He liberated his country from successful management to unsuccessful management and then stood as a despot for decades.

Two random pictures of Russian agents who travelled under aliases from an airport to the Skirpal's street at the time in question.


 
If there was a 7% increase in higher education, the economy would fail. And it's debatable whether higher education people voted for Remain because they were 'educated' or simply because they were young and inexperienced. The age group that voted most heavily in favour of Leave were the same people who voted us into the EEC in the first place. They've seen the whole thing from the start, and the EU has changed their mind. I'm more inclined to trust their opinion.
Please look at the gems this man/woman doles out.
@Superkaif
If the education level were 7% up, the economy would fail!!

I maybe accused of reverse racism, but tell me how does one classify such pearls of wisdom otherwise.

Just when this forum was getting dreary, in comes a natural clown with a completely un conscious natural sense of humour.
 
Please look at the gems this man/woman doles out.
@Superkaif
If the education level were 7% up, the economy would fail!!

I maybe accused of reverse racism, but tell me how does one classify such pearls of wisdom otherwise.

Just when this forum was getting dreary, in comes a natural clown with a completely un conscious natural sense of humour.
It would. Students are economic liabilities whilst students. And there are already far more graduates than there are graduate jobs. The only beneficiaries are the banking sector and their graduate loans.
 
It would. Students are economic liabilities whilst students. And there are already far more graduates than there are graduate jobs. The only beneficiaries are the banking sector and their graduate loans.
Go & genuflect before Thatcher's grave, Murphy. In her zeal to cut the unions down to size, she undid all industry friendly measures & promoted the formerly Great Britain as a financial powerhouse. Result - Manufacturing declined spectacularly and Britain rose as a financial power thanks to active support from the government.

Her successors whether in the Conservative Party or the party in labour also known as the Labour Party broadly followed her lead. All this culminated in Brexit with you and your lot mistaking the symptoms for the disease.
Hence your golden pronouncements like - If the rate of graduation were up by 7℅, the economy would fail.

Hint: look at how the Germans managed to balance industry and finance & ponder on why did they escape the trap UK couldn't.

To think, your lot ruled us and most of them world for nearly 2 centuries & then to read the bilge you churn out with sickening regularity.

I think your ride down will be faster than what most people thought it would be. Spectacular and bumpy too. Good Luck!!
 
Go & genuflect before Thatcher's grave, Murphy. In her zeal to cut the unions down to size, she undid all industry friendly measures & promoted the formerly Great Britain as a financial powerhouse. Result - Manufacturing declined spectacularly and Britain rose as a financial power thanks to active support from the government.

Her successors whether in the Conservative Party or the party in labour also known as the Labour Party broadly followed her lead. All this culminated in Brexit with you and your lot mistaking the symptoms for the disease.
Hence your golden pronouncements like - If the rate of graduation were up by 7℅, the economy would fail.

Hint: look at how the Germans managed to balance industry and finance & ponder on why did they escape the trap UK couldn't.

To think, your lot ruled us and most of them world for nearly 2 centuries & then to read the bilge you churn out with sickening regularity.

I think your ride down will be faster than what most people thought it would be. Spectacular and bumpy too. Good Luck!!
Maybe manufacturing declined because we were handing money overseas instead of investing it here.