I think I implied that France doesn't have airbases ALL OVER the world, and it doesn't. It has some, but not full coverage.
French Navy upgrade and discussion
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You don't though, you even had to cut off part of the map in the French one. You have no coverage in South East Asia or Central Asia. In the ME you have a presence but no sovereign or permanent base. Nothing in North America/North Atlantic/Artic region. Nothing in South Atlantic or Central Atlantic. Nothing covering East Indian Ocean region.
Central Asia is not a maritime area where it makes sense to have a base to replace an aircraft carrier. For Southeast Asia we have French Polynesia and New Caledonia which are not too far away.
For the Middle East we have a permanent base in the United Arab Emirates, and another not far away in Djibouti.
In the North Atlantic we can start from metropolitan France and Saint Pierre et Miquelon which is also a good base to go to the Arctic. For the central Atlantic we have Senegal and for the south Atlantic we have the West Indies and Guyana as well as Gabon. For the Indian Ocean Reunion Island and the UAE.
If I wanted to have the same attitude as you, I would say that you have nothing in the Pacific, nothing in Antarctica, nothing in the south of the Indian Ocean for example.
As far as the Sovereign Base Areas are concerned, ours are much better distributed than yours, which are concentrated in the Atlantic with almost nothing elsewhere
Par B1mbo — Travail personnelFile:Territorial waters - World.svg, CC BY-SA 3.0 cl, File:Territorial waters - France.svg - Wikimedia Commons
Dude you're twisting of facts know no limits, we're talking about airbases not territorial waters around shitty reef islands.Central Asia is not a maritime area where it makes sense to have a base to replace an aircraft carrier. For Southeast Asia we have French Polynesia and New Caledonia which are not too far away.
For the Middle East we have a permanent base in the United Arab Emirates, and another not far away in Djibouti.
In the North Atlantic we can start from metropolitan France and Saint Pierre et Miquelon which is also a good base to go to the Arctic. For the central Atlantic we have Senegal and for the south Atlantic we have the West Indies and Guyana as well as Gabon. For the Indian Ocean Reunion Island and the UAE.
If I wanted to have the same attitude as you, I would say that you have nothing in the Pacific, nothing in Antarctica, nothing in the south of the Indian Ocean for example.
As far as the Sovereign Base Areas are concerned, ours are much better distributed than yours, which are concentrated in the Atlantic with almost nothing elsewhere
Par B1mbo — Travail personnelFile:Territorial waters - World.svg, CC BY-SA 3.0 cl, File:Territorial waters - France.svg - Wikimedia Commons
France can't cover the North Atlantic or central Atlantic anymore than Britain alone can.
We have Canada, Falklands, British Antartica and Ascension island for Atlantic coverage.
Your map isn't even correct. This is the correct map showing bases and force presence and they do not covers as much as ours.
France.
UK Commonwealth Realms.
UK Permanent Bases.
Permanent bases cont.
You also have no coverage for South East Asia and Senegal does not cover the central Atlantic.
There's nothing in the South of the Indian Ocean except water and nothing either side of that water. We do have British Antartica though.
Why have something in the Pacific, we have something either side of it, i.e South East Asia and North America, where there are actually likely to be issues. We also do have something in the Pacific, see above. It's called *censored*ing Australia and Papau New Guinea and New Zealand.
Why can you never admit you are wrong?
British Overseas Territories - Wikipedia
Additional Territories with air strips.
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Except the ones in the Pacific, see first image. Apart from Australia, New Zealand and Papau New Guinea, you have the island on the left in the first image and 3 islands at right in the first image. 200nm around them 4 islands are territorial waters too as per UNCLOS III. See the blue dots in the Pacific. Tuvalu, Solomon Islands, Pitcairn Islands on very left etc.
Pitcairn Islands - Wikipedia
British Indian Ocean Territory - Wikipedia
Plus the bases in Cyprus, Singapore and Brunei.
We also have the south and north ends of the Pacific well covered.
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How many armors did France deployed under OP Iraqi Freedom? And how many troops? Even the blue on blue engagements was between US and UK. Where was France? How many sorties French AF flew in OP Desert Storm. I dont know the exact figure, but RAF flew somewaht 2500 sorties in Gulf war. Where was France? Sleeping?Central Asia is not a maritime area where it makes sense to have a base to replace an aircraft carrier. For Southeast Asia we have French Polynesia and New Caledonia which are not too far away.
For the Middle East we have a permanent base in the United Arab Emirates, and another not far away in Djibouti.
In the North Atlantic we can start from metropolitan France and Saint Pierre et Miquelon which is also a good base to go to the Arctic. For the central Atlantic we have Senegal and for the south Atlantic we have the West Indies and Guyana as well as Gabon. For the Indian Ocean Reunion Island and the UAE.
If I wanted to have the same attitude as you, I would say that you have nothing in the Pacific, nothing in Antarctica, nothing in the south of the Indian Ocean for example.
As far as the Sovereign Base Areas are concerned, ours are much better distributed than yours, which are concentrated in the Atlantic with almost nothing elsewhere
Par B1mbo — Travail personnelFile:Territorial waters - World.svg, CC BY-SA 3.0 cl, File:Territorial waters - France.svg - Wikimedia Commons
Why the Middle East ask security guarantees from US and UK, why not France.
Then where was France in Afganistan?
Even this wikipedia page says France deployed 700 troops, and British deployed 10000.
International Security Assistance Force - Wikipedia
You know how many troops India deployed even when we were not part of the coalition? LoL.
Moving on
Why Germany and Balkans asked US to deploy F-22 and troops in Balkans after Crimea invasion, while a nuclear power and a P5 nation sitting next beside them, but still they go to Uncle Sam. Why is that?
Where is the Sphere of Influence which you so much trying to portray with these maps.
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Why are we talking air bases in the navy thread?
How many did India deploy? Or Russia? Or China? "Operation Iraqi Freedom" was, as predicted, a colossal mistake that France wanted no part of.
India was NATO ally? If we deployed in Afg , how you was planning to resolve blue on blue engagement? Think twice before you say anything. And we did deployed in Afg.
And how you came to conclusion it was a failed op?
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Irrelevant, Bush Jr's invasion of Iraq was not a NATO operation. The Coalition of the Billing included non-NATO countries such as Australia, Japan, Nicaragua, Azerbaijan or Mongolia. It did not include NATO countries such as Canada, Germany, Greece who had enough sense not to take part in this utter foolishness.
It durably destabilized the Middle East, as France predicted, turned Iraq into a gigantic boot camp for terrorism, as France predicted, and it utterly failed at creating a robust democracy, as France predicted. Operation Iraqi Freedom should have been called Operation Let's Create Daesh or Operation Let's Kill Millions For Nothing. It also took the antiterrorism focus away from Al Qaeda and Afghanistan, letting Osama bin Laden survive for years because Bush just didn't care at all about catching him. We had to wait until Obama to see any actual effort done to catch him.
It did succeed, however, in greatly increasing Halliburton's revenue, which was after all always the only real goal of the whole thing.
SSBN Le Triomphant class FS Le Terrible (S-619) during construction, launch, with missile hatches open & the heart of her propulsion system - 150MW pressurized water nuclear reactor K-15.
French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle in dry dock
her current air group:
22 Rafale Marine - CAP/Surface Strike/Land Attack 1 E2C Hawkeye - AEW 1 Marine Caiman - ASW/SAR/Surface Strike 1 Dauphin Pedro - SAR 1 Alouette III - Utility
Missile de croisière naval (MdCN) fired from FREMM frigate Aquitaine
All wings on deck!
30 Rafales on board.
30 Rafales on board.
