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Army chief Bipin Rawat on Thursday suggested that students are being led into “inappropriate directions”, igniting an uproar so fierce that it compelled sources in the defence force to claim the comments had nothing to do with the ongoing protests against the amended citizenship act.

“Leaders are not those who lead people in inappropriate directions, as we are witnessing (among) a large number of university and college students. The way they are leading masses of crowds to carry out arson and violence in cities and towns… this is not leadership,” General Rawat told a healthcare excellence awards event in New Delhi.

The mention of students was seen as a thinly veiled reference to the protests now under way, at the forefront of which are youths from campuses.

Rarely before has a serving army chief in the largest democracy in the world given an impression that he was wading into a political — and highly sensitive — issue with which the military has nothing to do.

Gen. Rawat’s audacious remark also showed how much the relationship between the executive leadership and the military has changed since Independence when Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru insisted that the army should never interfere in any civilian matter.

The worth of Nehru’s foresight is borne out by the fact that unlike in the neighbourhood, no military junta has so far dared to topple an elected government in India.

The army chief’s comment was all the more galling because Gen. Rawat retires less than a week from now, on December 31, and he is said to be among the frontrunners for the newly created post of the Chief of Defence Staff.

As controversy erupted, army sources circulated the following points:

*The chief has not referred to the CAA (Citizenship Amendment Act.)

*He has not referred to any political event or personality.

*He was addressing the future citizens of India who are students.

*It is his righteous duty to guide students on whom depend the future of the nation.

*In the Kashmir Valley, youths were misguided by people whom they trusted as leaders.

During his speech, Gen. Rawat had added: “A leader is one who leads you in correct direction, who gives you correct advice and then ensures that you care for the people you lead. So leadership is through personal example and that is what we in the armed forces are proud of. Each and every leader in the Indian Army… the defence forces… has proved his worth as a leader and that is what I think makes us stand out among our people.”

Military veterans and security experts chastised the army chief for making “overtly political statements”, which they said were unbecoming of an officer in his position.

Some of the veterans suggested that an army chief wading into a domestic political debate was more distinctive of Pakistan than India.

Air Vice-Marshal (retired) Kapil Kak told The Telegraph: “India’s armed forces are apolitical. The army leadership should not make any political statements at all, let alone on this issue which is in many ways (a protest against an) unconstitutional (measure). The military leadership should always remember that the citizens look up to the armed forces.”

Former navy chief Admiral L. Ramdas told PTI: “The rule is very clear that we are serving the country and not political forces, and to express any political views as we have heard today are quite a wrong thing for any serving personnel, whether he is the top gun or at the bottom rank. It is not proper.”

An army veteran who had retired from the Northern Command said: “It’s unbecoming of a serving army chief to align with his political masters and make such political statements. He shouldn’t forget that India is still a democracy and that the armed forces have to work under a democratic set-up. It seems he has become desperate and is eyeing a post-retirement post.”

A retired naval officer said he did not know of any Indian army chief issuing such political statements in the past. “This happens in the Pakistan army. It seems we now have Pakistan as our role model. The country is on the path to becoming a Hindu Pakistan through the enactment of discriminatory laws.”

The veteran said this was all a part of the Narendra Modi government’s politicisation of the armed forces, and underlined how the BJP and the government had milked the Balakot air strikes during the Lok Sabha poll campaign.

Modi and other BJP campaigners had sought votes in the name of security personnel killed by militants, and had highlighted military operations like Balakot and the September 2016 cross-border “surgical strikes”.

This had prompted more than 150 veterans led by Admiral Ramdas to write to President Ram Nath Kovind in May, urging him to stop political parties from invoking the military for electoral gain.

A veteran said on Thursday: “We are witnessing rampant political exploitation of the military under the current government, and what is shocking is that the army chief is a party to it.”

Former Uttar Pradesh director-general of police Prakash Singh said: “Neither an army chief nor a police chief should make any political statement.”

Another veteran, however, said people were reading too much into Rawat’s statement. “He has made several political statements in the past, too, to suit the government’s agenda. The bigger question is why he is making such a statement just 4-5 days before his retirement,” he said.

A political storm also raged. “The army chief’s remark on CAA is highly objectionable, unethical and beyond his remit,” the Congress leader in the Lok Sabha, Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury, tweeted.

The CPM urged the general to apologise to the nation for his “indiscretion”, which it said had extremely adverse ramifications for the constitutional arrangement in the country.

The CPM politburo said Rawat had “directly indulged” in condemning the student protesters. “The army chief’s statement underlines as to how the situation has degenerated under the Modi government where the highest officer in uniform can so brazenly breach the limits of his institutional role. It is, therefore, necessary to raise the question as to whether we are going the Pakistan way of politicising the military. Such obnoxious interference in matters of democratic struggles from top-ranking military professionals is unheard of in the history of independent India,” the politburo said in a statement.

CPI general secretary D. Raja said Rawat should not have commented on what was a “political issue”.

“He is the chief of the Indian Army and not of any political party. His mandate is to safeguard the borders and not to make such political comments. He has criticised the leadership of the protest, clearly siding with the ruling party,” Raja said.

Additional reporting by PTI

General, it’s none of your business
 
So a General has no right of free speech to comment on law and order situation within the country?

Worthless leftie degenerates and their proxies, I am glad to see them being defeated worldwide stoically and consistently.

They will continue to squeal as they are shoved back into the gutters and drains they spawned in....it will all reach fever pitch as worldwide more and more regular people get sick of their repetitive antics and charades.

After all if you have a real problem you want addressed, see you lefties in court....why bicker like a bunch of decrepit hags in search of new mobs to try stir chaos and confusion.

Then they will squeal the courts are against them too lol.

One's thing for sure, its gonna be a fun 21st century....and long overdue as to what happens.
 
So a General has no right of free speech to comment on law and order situation within the country?

Worthless leftie degenerates and their proxies, I am glad to see them being defeated worldwide stoically and consistently.

They will continue to squeal as they are shoved back into the gutters and drains they spawned in....it will all reach fever pitch as worldwide more and more regular people get sick of their repetitive antics and charades.

After all if you have a real problem you want addressed, see you lefties in court....why bicker like a bunch of decrepit hags in search of new mobs to try stir chaos and confusion.

Then they will squeal the courts are against them too lol.

One's thing for sure, its gonna be a fun 21st century....and long overdue as to what happens.
Did u see the lot of veterans is same everytime. Kapil Kak , Panag , Ramdas. Same wrote letters against the PM as well
 
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Sure, he just served few decades risking his life how dare he?

If only he sipped wine in his posh lawn, rubbed shoulders with ministers, incited violence, thought about poor while enjoying his luxurious life paid by harvesting souls he had right to say something right.

India is soon going to get rid of filth named left in this country. Every lowlife cuz of exceptional slavery and boot licking has occupied position of influencing public opinion will be brought down by common public feeling stupid to have these clowns talking on their behalf.
 
Army chief Bipin Rawat on Thursday suggested that students are being led into “inappropriate directions”, igniting an uproar so fierce that it compelled sources in the defence force to claim the comments had nothing to do with the ongoing protests against the amended citizenship act.

“Leaders are not those who lead people in inappropriate directions, as we are witnessing (among) a large number of university and college students. The way they are leading masses of crowds to carry out arson and violence in cities and towns… this is not leadership,” General Rawat told a healthcare excellence awards event in New Delhi.

The mention of students was seen as a thinly veiled reference to the protests now under way, at the forefront of which are youths from campuses.

Rarely before has a serving army chief in the largest democracy in the world given an impression that he was wading into a political — and highly sensitive — issue with which the military has nothing to do.

Gen. Rawat’s audacious remark also showed how much the relationship between the executive leadership and the military has changed since Independence when Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru insisted that the army should never interfere in any civilian matter.

The worth of Nehru’s foresight is borne out by the fact that unlike in the neighbourhood, no military junta has so far dared to topple an elected government in India.

The army chief’s comment was all the more galling because Gen. Rawat retires less than a week from now, on December 31, and he is said to be among the frontrunners for the newly created post of the Chief of Defence Staff.

As controversy erupted, army sources circulated the following points:

*The chief has not referred to the CAA (Citizenship Amendment Act.)

*He has not referred to any political event or personality.

*He was addressing the future citizens of India who are students.

*It is his righteous duty to guide students on whom depend the future of the nation.

*In the Kashmir Valley, youths were misguided by people whom they trusted as leaders.

During his speech, Gen. Rawat had added: “A leader is one who leads you in correct direction, who gives you correct advice and then ensures that you care for the people you lead. So leadership is through personal example and that is what we in the armed forces are proud of. Each and every leader in the Indian Army… the defence forces… has proved his worth as a leader and that is what I think makes us stand out among our people.”

Military veterans and security experts chastised the army chief for making “overtly political statements”, which they said were unbecoming of an officer in his position.

Some of the veterans suggested that an army chief wading into a domestic political debate was more distinctive of Pakistan than India.

Air Vice-Marshal (retired) Kapil Kak told The Telegraph: “India’s armed forces are apolitical. The army leadership should not make any political statements at all, let alone on this issue which is in many ways (a protest against an) unconstitutional (measure). The military leadership should always remember that the citizens look up to the armed forces.”

Former navy chief Admiral L. Ramdas told PTI: “The rule is very clear that we are serving the country and not political forces, and to express any political views as we have heard today are quite a wrong thing for any serving personnel, whether he is the top gun or at the bottom rank. It is not proper.”

An army veteran who had retired from the Northern Command said: “It’s unbecoming of a serving army chief to align with his political masters and make such political statements. He shouldn’t forget that India is still a democracy and that the armed forces have to work under a democratic set-up. It seems he has become desperate and is eyeing a post-retirement post.”

A retired naval officer said he did not know of any Indian army chief issuing such political statements in the past. “This happens in the Pakistan army. It seems we now have Pakistan as our role model. The country is on the path to becoming a Hindu Pakistan through the enactment of discriminatory laws.”

The veteran said this was all a part of the Narendra Modi government’s politicisation of the armed forces, and underlined how the BJP and the government had milked the Balakot air strikes during the Lok Sabha poll campaign.

Modi and other BJP campaigners had sought votes in the name of security personnel killed by militants, and had highlighted military operations like Balakot and the September 2016 cross-border “surgical strikes”.

This had prompted more than 150 veterans led by Admiral Ramdas to write to President Ram Nath Kovind in May, urging him to stop political parties from invoking the military for electoral gain.

A veteran said on Thursday: “We are witnessing rampant political exploitation of the military under the current government, and what is shocking is that the army chief is a party to it.”

Former Uttar Pradesh director-general of police Prakash Singh said: “Neither an army chief nor a police chief should make any political statement.”

Another veteran, however, said people were reading too much into Rawat’s statement. “He has made several political statements in the past, too, to suit the government’s agenda. The bigger question is why he is making such a statement just 4-5 days before his retirement,” he said.

A political storm also raged. “The army chief’s remark on CAA is highly objectionable, unethical and beyond his remit,” the Congress leader in the Lok Sabha, Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury, tweeted.

The CPM urged the general to apologise to the nation for his “indiscretion”, which it said had extremely adverse ramifications for the constitutional arrangement in the country.

The CPM politburo said Rawat had “directly indulged” in condemning the student protesters. “The army chief’s statement underlines as to how the situation has degenerated under the Modi government where the highest officer in uniform can so brazenly breach the limits of his institutional role. It is, therefore, necessary to raise the question as to whether we are going the Pakistan way of politicising the military. Such obnoxious interference in matters of democratic struggles from top-ranking military professionals is unheard of in the history of independent India,” the politburo said in a statement.

CPI general secretary D. Raja said Rawat should not have commented on what was a “political issue”.

“He is the chief of the Indian Army and not of any political party. His mandate is to safeguard the borders and not to make such political comments. He has criticised the leadership of the protest, clearly siding with the ruling party,” Raja said.

Additional reporting by PTI

General, it’s none of your business


Looks like leftist and congress are protesting because , they assumed that the chief is talking about rahul gandhi when he said "A leader is one who leads you in correct direction" :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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Defence chiefs desert Christopher Pyne in awkward press conference
By defence correspondent Andrew Greene

Updated 28 Mar 2019, 11:24am

Australia's top-ranking soldier has pulled off a precision extraction of the military's top brass from a potentially hostile situation.

Drawing on years of experience as a crack SAS commander, Defence Chief Angus Campbell deftly intervened in a press conference to prevent his senior colleagues being in frame during political debate.

After a 40-year career, Air Marshal Leo Davies will soon finish up as Air Force Chief, and his senior colleagues had gathered outside their Canberra headquarters on Thursday morning to hear who would be getting his job.

Once journalists had finished questioning Defence Minister Christopher Pyne about the military leadership changes, their focus turned to what the Government's chief tactician thought of preference deals with One Nation.

Standing directly behind Mr Pyne was the Australian Defence Force's second in command, Vice Admiral David Johnston; the newly announced Air Force Chief, Air Marshal Mel Hupfeld; and the next Chief of Joint Operations, Major General Greg Bilton.

General Campbell had been running late for the event having been held up by another longstanding commitment at the Australian War Memorial.

But he managed to scramble to the press conference just as the questions were turning to federal politics.

As the media began inquiring about the overseas travel habits of Nationals backbencher George Christensen, General Campbell decided it was time to stage a strategic intervention.

"Oh Angus," Minister Pyne exclaimed with surprise as the imposing soldier tapped him on the back.

"My apologies," the General whispered, in full view of the assembled cameras and microphones.

"I might just ask that the military officers step aside while you're answering these kind of questions.

"Yeah sure, please do," the Defence Minister agreed, excusing the top brass from their awkward nodding duties behind him.

A senior military official told the ABC the incident was a "timely reminder" for politicians not to attempt to use ADF personnel as props in an election year.
 
I believe India will be handed over to military and intelligence in controlled manner for identifying the culprits in all the institutions hand in hand with RAW and IB. First time they will get involved internally after a long time. Brace yourself for the cleanup once CDS is appointed.
 
A question to the learned people here :

Are there any precedent in our nation about our armed forces and their leadership making public comments about internal security matters?

Its not a comment or sarcasm but a question.
 
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Did u see the lot of veterans is same everytime. Kapil Kak , Panag , Ramdas. Same wrote letters against the PM as well

There was a retd col on twitter who was trying to make a list of retd army officers who he though supported the government.

Unfortunately his endeavour was cut shot when a retd brigadier a Sikh took him to task lol.

I wonder how some people don't gey the irony
You can support any ideology you want
Except others don't get the same choice

That's leftists and libtards for you
 
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TSD was so effective because it was cleaning the crap at home

Reason why some don't make military to take a stake in issues relating to country , because they will easily connect the dots , far better and with clarity and majority will listen .

Reason why when a general threatened to go public over the back stabbing Siachen de militirisation effort by Congress govt under manmohan , congi had to back track , even though many serving generals were in its pocket . One single serving general saved the sacrifices of thousands of soldiers .
 
There was a retd col who was trying to make a list of retd army officers who he though supported the government.

Unfortunately his endeavour was cut shot when a retd brigadier a Sikh took him to task lol.

I wonder how some people don't gey the irony
You can support any ideology you want
Except others don't get the same choice

That's leftists and libtards for you
For Hypocrites Le Li gang all except them are intolerant and fascists. Its an irony in itself
TSD was so effective because it was cleaning the crap at home

Reason why some don't make military to take a stake in issues relating to country , because they will easily connect the dots , far better and with clarity and majority will listen .

Reason why when a general threatened to go public over the back stabbing Siachen de militirisation effort by Congress govt under manmohan , congi had to back track
If u carry out a survey on the most trusted institution in India , no doubt Army will triumph by miles over the next be it SC , Parliament.. and thats actually a sad thing and shows the failure of democracy
 
For Hypocrites Le Li gang all except them are intolerant and fascists. Its an irony in itself

If u carry out a survey on the most trusted institution in India , no doubt Army will triumph by miles over the next be it SC , Parliament.. and thats actually a sad thing and shows the failure of democracy

Democracy lol

A mirror even with the smallest aberration will always err in its task for ever

Same with Indian democracy - Equality with aberrations , Rights with aberrations ............

It will always err in its tasks for ever

As for institutions they have relevance for the weak and fools

Think about it

If everyone were upright individually they become theeeee institution, the best institution that can ever exist.
 
Reason why some don't make military to take a stake in issues relating to country , because they will easily connect the dots , far better and with clarity and majority will listen

It depends who is leading the TDS kind of setup, under Bipin Rawat, or VK Singh, it would be affective, under officers like Gen Bakshi it will fail big time. I would like to shed some light on why Doklam happened, because army's units tasked for a specific mission failed to spot the chinese maneuver. Those who knew it they kept quiet to test army's preparedness there.
 
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It depends who is leading the TDS kind of setup, under Bipin Rawat, or VK Singh, it would be affective, under officers like Gen Bakshi it will fail big time. I would like to shed some light on why Doklam happened, because army's units tasked for a specific mission failed to spot the chinese maneuver. Those who knew it they kept quiet to test army's preparedness there.

Reason why i wrote this in my previous post

" If everyone were upright individually they become theeeee institution, the best institution that can ever exist "

I am not informed about the dokhlam issue , but i aware of shenanigans across military, intel etc

You must have heard about the raw guy who was refused help and told to back off but went out of his way to destroy a powerful politically connected jihadi sect in bangladesh against all odds with no help or resources . Current little bit favorable situation in Bangladesh is to some extent his efforts. He will die unknown and unrecognised

Basically every institution in India is rotten where the efforts of the few are saving the day and ironically we will never know their names or deeds.

Foundation was weakened from the start and increased with time , so nothing to be surprised .

Biggest question is how it end
I think me and you know the answer - days from the invasions all over again.
The only solace majority won't know what hit them
 
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This joke of an ecosystem is first to publish in big headlines if Civil servants say anything against Modi government, this joker himself even after being from army has been long time slave.

And now they are teaching us Rule 21, have they ever read Civil Servants rule? I have seen the same clowns reciting Rule 21 putting up DP of IAS officers (suspended in graft but lying and calling it resignation) violating same rules.

People will listen to you, your rules and quoting of them if only you had tiny bit integrity. NDTV torch bearers of your ecosystem use to employ kids of Civil Servants and high ups so as to get inside exclusives and do as they wish, violating every fking rule that existed and compliciting those officers into breaking oath of confidentially they took in service of India.

And yet here you are, in all your glory, acting innocent! Baffling!