That's because, as the client, India calls the shots when it comes to making or breaking deals. A company can only offer and pray.
That's because, as the client, India calls the shots when it comes to making or breaking deals. A company can only offer and pray.
What French do not realise is that we have a industry in India called Protest Industry which is supported by anti-national characters and funded by our enemies thru NGOs and business rivals. If Safran can't deliver on offsets, Russians and Americans will go after Indian Govt if they order more Rafales.
If the deal for more Rafales is delayed, it will be purely due to failure of French. They have this deal in their hand but they seem to be hellbent on dropping it from their hands without putting it in their pocket.
Yeah, the foreign lobbies will be waiting for something to slip up. Multi-pronged attack on France and India after that. The problem is the engine assistance was one of the biggest positive arguments for the deal. And now that is under attack.
But I'm sure it's a problem that's salvageable. Let's see what happens after the G7 meet.
Do you remember the earlier report of France planning to invest Eur 1B on engines alone?
France offers EUR 1 billion to revive India's combat jet engine project
Something is obviously up and we are not aware of it.
Yes. I think its the French who are backtracking to ensure more orders. And this might become their undoing.
The PAK FA won't help us right now. It's way too far off in the future. If you want Russian tech, it's going to have to be through Mig-35, but we are not looking at Russian tech.
What we want is European tech. American tech is also fine, but they won't give us anything worthwhile, it's all lip service. Hence European it is.
So it's going to have to be France or UK. And Rolls Royce has been suspended for corruption.
Anyway, it's fine if we don't get any, our own engine development has been somewhat successful and the next engines we make won't be like the Kaveri. The main goal behind getting European cooperation is to save on time, a lot of time.
Even if this deal fails now, cooperation with AMCA will provide new opportunities. This is separate from the current discussions for Kaveri.
We need planes , we need Engine Technology
We also need Other Relevant Technologies
For AMCA
We also need Weapons and Avionics for our Current War fighting Needs
Now how do we manage to Fit everything inside One Framework
Obviously , the Criticality of our Needs is
Visible to all
We might claim to be in a Buyers market
But Our Needs make us desperate after
A Certain time has passed
Because Loss of time affects preparedness
Also finances are Finite
@randomradio
Let me tell you clearly
Our people dont care for indigenization
But Nobody in India is ready to loose a war
So Operational preparedness will always be the Top priority
We should be Grateful to DRDO for their Efforts and Successes but we cannot stop importing weapons and Technologies
Let me tell you clearly
Our people dont care for indigenization
But Nobody in India is ready to loose a war
So Operational preparedness will always be the Top priority
We should be Grateful to DRDO for their Efforts and Successes but we cannot stop importing weapons and Technologies
Yeah, we need engine tech, but there are three routes for it.
Short term: France
Mid term: AMCA
Long term: Ourselves
All three are realistic routes.
As for other relevant technologies you mentioned, it will all be primarily Indian. We will see some consultancy or some outright purchase of tech for development purposes, but even that will be Indianised. The primary goal is 100% Indian IP. Most of what will go on AMCA and IUSAV will be developed through MWF.
And we have leverage for our short and mid term goals. For example, take France. If we get the K9+ and K10 running, it will mean an order for hundreds of engines for France, just like the Shakti engine. If they back out on their own, obviously we lose out on engine tech, but even they lose out on engine orders, which will be given to the US instead, F404/414. Even the French know what's at stake.
Our dependence on major strategic imports will end before 2035, with AMCA. By then we will have the complete ecosystem to design and develop anything we want. As a large economy, indigenisation is inevitable.
But of course, IAF prioritises capability over indigenisation, which is how any professional force should behave.
India to explore developing engine for military jets with Rolls Royce Published August 17, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: **** NEWS NETWORK
After French multinational aircraft engine company, Safran asked India to invest close to 6000 Crores and committed to investing 3000 crores of its investment as part of Rafale offset obligations to revive India’s now stalled Kaveri engine program, DRDO is now considering having talks with Britain’s engineering major Rolls Royce after French offer was considered too pricey by DRDO. DRDO already has invested over 3000 crores in the Kaveri engine program but an additional investment for 6000 crores only to get core section of M-88-3 engines which included custom modification of the new Kaveri engine with Indian developed technology, and later certification of the modified engine along with technology transfer could have meant that SAFRAN enjoyed Royalty for its tech for decades to come. DRDO officials informed **** that at least for Tejas Mk1A and MWF-Mk2 fighter jet program they are sticking with American GE developed F404-IN20 (84 kN) and F414-GE-INS6 (98 kN) turbofan engines and Even for Naval Mk2 program, GE’s F414-GE-INS6 turbofan engines are preferred but the problem with GE has being is that these engines are brought off the shelf and has no option of even local license assembly let alone any Transfer of Technology of Key core technology. Prototypes of India’s 5th Generation AMCA Stealth fighter jets will use GE’s F414-GE-INS6 turbofan engines in the initial stage but the aircraft requires more powerful engine which can generate 110 kN of Thrust class over what current GE engines can generate 98 kN for which GE has offered India its F414 Enhanced Engine which it says will be ready by 2022. F414 Enhanced Engine which has been under development for the US Navy for its F/A-18 E/F and EA 18G aircraft fleet will be able to generate around 116 kN Thrust class which is 18% improvement over Standard F414 engines. GE believes F414 Enhanced Engines which will go into production by 2022 and already has orders worth $630 million from US Navy to replace older engines in its aircraft will make it a perfect fit for the AMCA program since the developmental cost of the program already is funded by US Navy. British Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon in his visit to India in 2017 had offered India to jointly develop a new engine based on EuroJet turbofan engine which powers Eurofighter Typhoon. The UK already has invited India to co-develop a sixth-generation fighter called the Tempest but no decision has been taken yet but India is yet to take a call on co-development offer on both engine and new 6th generation fighter aircraft with the United Kingdom. Military think tanks in India have called for the revival of Kaveri engine program so that India is not left behind in the development of military-grade turbo class engines for its fighter and transport aircraft programs and have called upon Modi government to inject program with more funds and new engineers and scientist along with the participation of private sector to kick start the program again. DRDO officials who spoke to **** believes the key decision on the direction of the program will be taking place next few months, will DRDO get-go head to have talks with Rolls Royce or new core team will be formed to develop new higher thrust engines with fresh funding what will chart the future course of military jet engines development in India.
India to explore developing engine for military jets with Rolls Royce – Indian Defence Research Wing .
After French multinational aircraft engine company, Safran asked India to invest close to 6000 Crores and committed to investing 3000 crores of its investment as part of Rafale offset obligations to revive India’s now stalled Kaveri engine program, DRDO is now considering having talks with Britain’s engineering major Rolls Royce after French offer was considered too pricey by DRDO. DRDO already has invested over 3000 crores in the Kaveri engine program but an additional investment for 6000 crores only to get core section of M-88-3 engines which included custom modification of the new Kaveri engine with Indian developed technology, and later certification of the modified engine along with technology transfer could have meant that SAFRAN enjoyed Royalty for its tech for decades to come. DRDO officials informed **** that at least for Tejas Mk1A and MWF-Mk2 fighter jet program they are sticking with American GE developed F404-IN20 (84 kN) and F414-GE-INS6 (98 kN) turbofan engines and Even for Naval Mk2 program, GE’s F414-GE-INS6 turbofan engines are preferred but the problem with GE has being is that these engines are brought off the shelf and has no option of even local license assembly let alone any Transfer of Technology of Key core technology. Prototypes of India’s 5th Generation AMCA Stealth fighter jets will use GE’s F414-GE-INS6 turbofan engines in the initial stage but the aircraft requires more powerful engine which can generate 110 kN of Thrust class over what current GE engines can generate 98 kN for which GE has offered India its F414 Enhanced Engine which it says will be ready by 2022. F414 Enhanced Engine which has been under development for the US Navy for its F/A-18 E/F and EA 18G aircraft fleet will be able to generate around 116 kN Thrust class which is 18% improvement over Standard F414 engines. GE believes F414 Enhanced Engines which will go into production by 2022 and already has orders worth $630 million from US Navy to replace older engines in its aircraft will make it a perfect fit for the AMCA program since the developmental cost of the program already is funded by US Navy. British Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon in his visit to India in 2017 had offered India to jointly develop a new engine based on EuroJet turbofan engine which powers Eurofighter Typhoon. The UK already has invited India to co-develop a sixth-generation fighter called the Tempest but no decision has been taken yet but India is yet to take a call on co-development offer on both engine and new 6th generation fighter aircraft with the United Kingdom. Military think tanks in India have called for the revival of Kaveri engine program so that India is not left behind in the development of military-grade turbo class engines for its fighter and transport aircraft programs and have called upon Modi government to inject program with more funds and new engineers and scientist along with the participation of private sector to kick start the program again. DRDO officials who spoke to **** believes the key decision on the direction of the program will be taking place next few months, will DRDO get-go head to have talks with Rolls Royce or new core team will be formed to develop new higher thrust engines with fresh funding what will chart the future course of military jet engines development in India.
India to explore developing engine for military jets with Rolls Royce – Indian Defence Research Wing .
Are these people making up their own stuff now? collect all the things we know about the topic add some spice and hype. Done.
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