HAL HTFE-25 & Other Indigenous Aero Engines Developments

you mean if two bricks which sink separately when joined together will be able to float. Thats either quantum physics or blind belief, not able to make out which one it is.
Kaveri was developed by GTRE while all the ToT (be it of any level) for AL31FP, RD33 se-3, Adour lies with HAL.

Why not make use of all the resources together.

Similarly GTRE has required experience of testing a new system, their facilities & manpower will be crucial to HALs engine efforts.
 
Kaveri was developed by GTRE while all the ToT (be it of any level) for AL31FP, RD33 se-3, Adour lies with HAL.

Why not make use of all the resources together.

Similarly GTRE has required experience of testing a new system, their facilities & manpower will be crucial to HALs engine efforts.
One of the reason engine program has not achieved expected success due to our expertise in metallurgy, simply put technical ability. If solution was in organizational restructuring then this would have taken place long time back. As you have rightly mentioned this restructuring will result in cost & operational efficiency but from perspective of technical output dont expect any thing to change.
 
One of the reason engine program has not achieved expected success due to our expertise in metallurgy, simply put technical ability. If solution was in organizational restructuring then this would have taken place long time back. As you have rightly mentioned this restructuring will result in cost & operational efficiency but from perspective of technical output dont expect any thing to change.
Maybe.

But dividing already scarce recourses into two will not help. Why spend fixed costs twice ? Why do the process twice?
 
Maybe.

But dividing already scarce recourses into two will not help. Why spend fixed costs twice ? Why do the process twice?

Why not? HAL is focusing on engines for the products they produce, which are usually smaller. It is primarily a production house, not a design one.

While GTRE is a dedicated R&D lab for nationally important higher end engines.

For HAL, engine development is an afterthought. HTFE or HTSE will not enter production this decade because it is not a priority. HAL is corporate entity that needs to generate revenue for its stakeholders but GTRE does not.

There isn't much fixed cost duplication as you think. These are smaller testing infrastructures.

You could make the same argument about ADA and HAL, which does not hold water.
 
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By certification does he mean ready for production or ready for flight trials.

It's been a decade since the program started and we are yet to see it fly even on a testbed 😑😑
What is the hurry? Its a internally funded side project for them.
 
Something related to small gas turbines related work by GTRE

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Nice, The container-based test facilities will help to make tests in different altitudes and climate zones, like Ladakh or Rajasthan.
Its for an expendable engine , so probably at the test ranges first ? also only DRDO to use it, not sure if the user group too.

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The proposed Mobile Test Facility Control Cabin System is a roadworthy self-sufficient test facility for testing of “Expandable Turbo Propulsion system (Expandable Engines) of up to 450kgf class”.

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Lincoln:"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time"

Le DRDO:" you can fool all of the people all of the time, if you are an Indian "

Bloody hell,they screwed Tejas with kaveri jet engine. And still wanna develop 130 kn engine ,so that they can screw AMCA.
 
Lincoln:"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time"

Le DRDO:" you can fool all of the people all of the time, if you are an Indian "

Bloody hell,they screwed Tejas with kaveri jet engine. And still wanna develop 130 kn engine ,so that they can screw AMCA.
Sometimes it can be difficult to determine whether you are trolling or genuinely unintelligent.

It is just a test facility under construction, which will be used for all aero engine development. 130kN is the designed upper limit of the test facility. No one is claiming that they are developing a new 130kN engine. Kaveri failed because of lack of such facilities.