India - France relations.

Thanks, didnt i have to come here yet to get my daily laughter. If i am a troll you are an ogre lol. Hurt your feelings? Saying Marines are pussies?
Well i do apologize before you faint. Did ANYWHERE Flint say F-35 can fly at M1.6 with max load ans max fuel ? Not in this video...
And do not worry for exposing me as a troll, ppl here know me from a long time and do know who i am.
So when a pilot says one thing full of fuel, or full of load, i should uncerstand with MAX load AND MAX fuel. Sry i dont understand the same thng as you do. And i do not believe he lies, i believe he says the truth in a way that is right for LM. Btw, your double standard concerning credibility of pilots is funny (sorry i use that word again, but i cant help doing it when talking about you) ? So when Flynn says something it is God's truth (well... In fact YOUR interpretation of what he says) but when Pappalardo extensively describes active cancellation it is because he is a fan of a journalist?
Even your rants are pointless drivel but hey that's what trolls like you do best.

Either post your source that contradict Flynn and Beesley or just shut up... or you can say I don't have any and say your opinion is better than any source.
 
Even your rants are pointless drivel but hey that's what trolls like you do best.

Either post your source that contradict Flynn and Beesley or just shut up... or you can say I don't have any and say your opinion is better than any source.
Contradict what? NOWHERE do they say that F-35 can go up to M1.6 with max load and fuel. What do you want me to contradict? I'm ok with them, having a good fuel fraction without tank or weapons inside a bay IS an advantage at full load. But basic aeronautical physics tell you that either the limitation is not power driven or F-35 can't fly M1.6 max loaded.
 
Contradict what? NOWHERE do they say that F-35 can go up to M1.6 with max load and fuel. What do you want me to contradict? I'm ok with them, having a good fuel fraction without tank or weapons inside a bay IS an advantage at full load. But basic aeronautical physics tell you that either the limitation is not power driven or F-35 can't fly M1.6 max loaded.
Flynn: We have been 1.6 mach. 700 knots maximum G, which is 9G on this jet, full of bombs full of missiles full of gas...

Trollweene: Duuuuuuh. Wa do hee mean? Duuuuh me thinks it's too hard to ever know.

-Beesley said that recently he flew an F-35 test flight with a full internal load of two 2000 lbs JDAMs, and two AIM-120 missiles....

Beesley: The aircraft "felt like it had a few thousand pounds of extra fuel" but otherwise Beesley said there was practically no degradation in the aircrafts' performance.

Trollweene: Duuuuh Wa do hee mean? Duuuh too hard to ever know.

-The F-35C can reach speeds of 1.6 Mach (~1,200 mph) even with a full internal weapons load. With its fuel and internal weapons load, the F-35C can fly faster with no drag associated with external tanks and weapons required for legacy fighters.

Trollweene: Duuuuh uh-oh. No mind it is LM lies me thinks. Duuuuuh.


Trollweene: Duuuuh. More lies.

Have you had enough making yourself look the fool? Not even your fellow frenchmen would dumb themselves to your level and pretend to not understand. I guess that makes you special, eh?
 
Just a question, which F-35 is Flynn talking? The B variant? Because that's what we're talking about isn't it?
Nowhere he says full of bombs and missiles and gas. Anw,they did during testing or is it operational conditions?
Beesley's words It felt like a few more tons. Lol. Normal. Apart from that (no big deal 🤔) it was nearly normal...
Even LM do not say what you said (max speed with max fuel And max load.
Duh. They all give interesting hints, but none of them actually did say what you understood.
Once again, apply baby school physics. Weight implies drag. So, either F135 can compensate (but at the cost of how much fuel) and the 1.6 limit is due to another factor such as melting composites, or it cannot and the plane can't reach M 1.6.
 
That you don't know that your own plane (french plane M) is limited to mach 1.6 in clean configuration tells us how little you know and shouldn't be demanding anything. That source is there but you're too lazy to look for it because it will contradict your narrative that you have had in your head.

Luckily for you I'm in the mood to make you look foolish so here ya go!

Scroll down when you click the link since it seems you need all the help you can get.
Absolutely no reason the M variant can't be as fast as a B model which is more draggy.
From Dassault itself (a little bit more informed about Dassault product) :
 

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Indo-French dialogue on bilateral defence cooperation concludes in Paris​

Against the backdrop of growing ties between India and France, the 20th edition of India-France Joint Staff talks concluded in Paris on Wednesday. The two-day talks focused on new initiatives in bilateral defence cooperation and strengthening defence engagements, the government said on Thursday.

The India-France Joint Staff talks is a forum established to enhance defence cooperation between the nations through regular talks at the strategic and operational levels.

“The meeting was conducted in a friendly, warm and cordial atmosphere. The discussions focused on new initiatives under the ambit of existing bilateral defence cooperation mechanism and strengthening ongoing defence engagements,” the Ministry of Defence said in a statement.
The meeting was co-chaired by Air Vice Marshal B Manikantan, assistant chief of integrated staff, Int-C (military cooperation), headquarters, Integrated Defence Staff, and Brigadier General Eric Peltier, head of bilateral cooperation, South/Staff Headquarters.

This comes close on the heels of India and France inking a roadmap to enhance their bilateral exchanges on the blue economy in February during Foreign Minister S Jaishankar’s visit to France. The roadmap aims to forge a common vision of ocean governance based on the rule of law and cooperate on sustainable and resilient coastal and waterways infrastructure.

The roadmap scope will encompass maritime trade, the naval industry, fisheries, marine technology and scientific research, ocean observation, marine biodiversity, marine ecosystem-based management and integrated coastal management, marine ecotourism, inland waterways, cooperation between competent administrations on civil maritime issues, marine spatial planning as well as international law of the sea and related multilateral negotiations.

“India and France intend to make the blue economy a driver of progress of their respective societies while respecting the environment and coastal and marine biodiversity. Both countries aim to contribute to scientific knowledge and ocean conservation and ensure that the ocean remains a global common, a space of freedom and trade, based on the rule of law,” the Ministry of External Affairs had said in a statement.

“India and France nurture a high-quality dialogue on maritime security, which enables them to raise strategic issues in the Indo-Pacific. This partnership marks a significant step-forward in India-France cooperation for maritime security,” the ministry had added.

In a telephonic conversation held in January 2020, French President Emmanuel Macron and Prime Minister Narendra Modi had discussed a range of issues of mutual interest and agreed on keeping in touch and enhancing all-around strategic cooperation between India and France, including in the areas of defence.
 
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Joint statement by President Emmanuel Macron and the Prime Minister of India, M. Narendra Modi

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Strategic cooperation

11. Both sides welcomed the ongoing intense cooperation across all defence domains. Joint exercises (Shakti, Varuna, Pegase, Desert Knight, Garuda) illustrate efforts towards better integration and interoperability wherever possible. Meanwhile, maritime cooperation between France and India has reached new levels of trust and will continue through exercises, exchanges and joint endeavours throughout the Indian Ocean.

12. France and India underscored that the long standing armament cooperation is testimony to the mutual trust between the two sides. The six Scorpene submarines built at MDL in Mumbai illustrates the level of transfer of technology from France to India, in line with the “Make in India” initiative. As seen in the timely delivery of the Rafale despite the pandemic, the two sides enjoy synergy in the field of defence. Taking forward this momentum, and based on their mutual trust, both sides agreed to find creative ways for France’s deeper involvement in the “Atmanirbhar Bharat” (Self-reliant India) efforts in advanced defence technology, manufacturing and exports, including through encouraging increased industry to industry partnerships.

13. Building on a great tradition of over 60 years of technical and scientific space cooperation, and in order to address the contemporary challenges that have arisen in space, in particular maintaining a secure access to space for all, France and India have agreed on setting up a bilateral strategic dialogue on space issues. It will bring together experts from space and defence agencies, administration and specialised ecosystem to discuss security and economic challenges in outer space, the norms and principles applicable to space as well as unveil new areas of cooperation. The two sides agreed to hold the first dialogue this year at the earliest.

14. In an increasingly digitalised world, France and India have strengthened cooperation between their cyber security agencies. Based on convergent outlook, they agree to join forces in promoting cyber norms and principles in order to counter cyber threats and agree to upgrade their bilateral cyber dialogue with a view to contributing to a peaceful, secure and open cyberspace.

15. The two sides have launched a number of initiatives to connect their Start-up ecosystems and welcome recent public-private engagement to work together, based on their respective successes, on building standards and protocols for free, inclusive, innovative and open public digital infrastructure and solutions to transform the lives of the people and for the larger global good. India will be the first Country of the Year at this year’s edition of Vivatech, Europe’s largest digital fair, in Paris.

16. Building upon the implementation of the Franco-Indian roadmap on cybersecurity and digital technology, India and France reiterate their willingness to deepen their cooperation on exascale technology, based upon the fruitful collaboration between C-DAC and ATOS, which includes making supercomputers in India. The two sides also agree to work together for more secure and sovereign 5G/6G telecom systems.

17. Both sides reaffirmed the commitment to the success of the strategic Jaitapur EPR project for access to reliable, affordable and low carbon energy, and welcome the progress achieved over the last months. They will increase the contacts in the coming months to achieve new progress.

18. Counter-terrorism cooperation is a corner stone of the France-India strategic partnership, particularly in the Indo-Pacific region. They strongly condemned all forms of terrorism including use of terrorist proxies and cross-border terrorism. They reiterated their resolve to closely work together in the common fight against global terrorism including through combating the financing of terrorism, countering radicalization and violent extremism, preventing misuse of the internet for terrorist or violent extremist purpose, acting against internationally designated entities and individuals. Both sides expressed their willingness to coordinate actively in the run up to the third edition of the “No Money for Terror” international Conference to be hosted by India in 2022.
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Full (interesting) statement:
 

French Air Force Contingent, Including Three Rafale Jets, Makes Stopover In India

A French readout said on Thursday that the cooperation with the Indian Air Force demonstrated a high level of mutual trust and interoperability between the two sides.


New Delhi: A French Air and Space Force contingent, including three Rafale jets, made a strategically crucial stopover at the IAF's Sulur base in Tamil Nadu as part of a mega military operation it carried out in the Pacific Ocean. The support provided by the Indian Air Force to the French force reflected the implementation of the reciprocal logistics support agreement signed by France and India in 2018 to boost military cooperation.

A French readout said on Thursday that the cooperation with the Indian Air Force demonstrated a high level of mutual trust and interoperability between the two sides.

It said the French contingent was hosted for a technical stopover at Air Force Station Sulur on August 10 and 11 during a long-distance deployment from metropolitan France to the Pacific Ocean.

The French Air and Space Force is carrying out a major long-range mission in the Indo-Pacific, code-named Pegase 22, from August 10 to September 18.

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"The first stage of this mission aims to demonstrate France's capacity for long-distance air power projection by deploying an Air Force contingent from metropolitan France to the French territory of New Caledonia in the Pacific Ocean in less than 72 hours (10th-12th August)," the statement said.

"To achieve this unprecedented 16,600-km deployment, the Air Force contingent made a technical stopover in India, at Air Force Station Sulur," it said.

The contingent comprises three Rafale jets and support aircraft.

"Landing at Air Force Station Sulur on August 10th evening, it flew out in the early hours of 11th August after refuelling, en route to New Caledonia," the readout noted.

"The operation demonstrated a high level of mutual trust and interoperability between the French and Indian Air Forces, which has been further boosted by the fact that both Air Forces now fly Rafale jets," it said.

The readout mentioned the cooperation between the two air forces illustrated the "concrete" implementation of the reciprocal logistics support agreement.

"France is a resident power of the Indo-Pacific, and this ambitious long-distance air power projection demonstrates our commitment to the region and our partners," French Ambassador Emmanuel Lenain said, lauding the IAF's role in the successful operation.

He said it is only natural that to carry out this mission, France relied on India, and described it as France's "foremost strategic partner in Asia".

In the following stages of Mission Pegase 22, the French Air Force contingent will take part in the "Pitch Black" air exercise taking place in Australia from August 17 to September 10.

The Indian Air Force will also participate in this multilateral drill, along with Australia, Japan, the US, Germany, Indonesia, Singapore, the UK, and South Korea.

Mission Pegase 22 is a powerful demonstration of France's capacity for quick deployment in the Indo-Pacific.

"The mission is also proof that the security situation in Europe has not diminished the French and European commitment in the Indo-Pacific. In this respect, it also aims to strengthen ties with key strategic partners," the French readout said.
 

India, France are ‘no limits’ allies with full spectrum op-cooperation​

Visiting French Foreign Minister Catherine Colonna told India’s top leadership that President Emmanuel Macron has told her to offer a “no-limits” partnership to India, with full operational cooperation in the Indo-Pacific and a comprehensive partnership in defence and security relations, people familiar with the matter said.


With both having shared aspirations of strategic autonomy, India and France have decided to hold separate trilateral ministerial meetings with Australia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) in New York on the sidelines of the UNGA session in the coming week as part of their cooperation in the Indo-Pacific, the people added.

Colonna met Prime Minister Narendra Modi, external affairs minister S Jaishankar and National Security Advisor Ajit Kumar Doval with the two countries discussing the Ukraine war and deciding that a diplomatic solution was the only way out of the protracted conflict. Since Russian President Vladimir Putin has regular telephone conversations with President Macron and PM Modi, the two sides decided to use their good offices to bring the war to an end by pushing for a diplomatic solution. The visiting foreign minister also discussed with her counterpart the way to mitigate adverse effects of the Ukraine war particularly on global food and energy security.

While Colonna’s focus was the cementing of diplomatic and political ties with India, she made it clear that France is not looking for defence contracts but defence partnership with India with 100% transfer of technology, joint ventures to manufacture full spectrum hardware, and export to other countries, the people cited above said. France has already offered joint development and manufacture of Safran aircraft engines, AIP submarines and is also willing to help India with the construction of nuclear powered conventionally armed submarines.

While EAM Jaishankar and NSA Ajit Doval shared their assessment of the neighbourhood with Colonna, particularly focusing on China and the Af-Pak region, the two sides also had intensive discussions on the Indo-Pacific with both countries committing to safeguard each other’s interest and also provide assistance to other countries, from the South West Indian Ocean to the far Pacific. The two countries are also looking for trilateral relationships with south east Asian countries to consolidate their convergence in the Indo-Pacific.


Terrorism emnating from Af-Pak region also figured in the conversations with France offering full support to India in getting Pak based terrorists sanctioned by the UNSC 1267 committee, the people added.
 

Chief of Army Staff Proceeds on a visit to France​

General Manoj Pande, the Chief of the Army Staff has proceeded on a visit to France from 14 to 17 November 2022. During the four day visit, he will be meeting his counterparts and senior military leadership of France with an aim to enhance defence cooperation between both the nations.


During the visit, the Army Chief will be laying wreath at Neuve Chapelle Indian Memorial, which commemorates the sacrifices of 4,742 Indian soldiers during the First World War. He is scheduled to call on the Chief of the Defence Staff, Chief of the Army Staff, and Commander Commandement des Forces Terrestres (CFT) / Command of the Land Combat Forces, where he will discuss avenues for enhancing India-France defence relations.


The COAS will be visiting Ecole Militarie, comprising of various military training establishments in Paris and address Senior Staff Officers attending a course at Ecole de Guerra-T. He will also be visiting Military Schools at Draguignan, which are premier training establishments that train commissioned officers and non-commissioned officers.


The ever-expanding defence cooperation engagements which encompass a broad spectrum of activities have established a strong bonhomie across every level of the two Armies. The visit of the COAS to France will further strengthen the bonds of trust and understanding between the two armies.