India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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_Anonymous_ said:
Since both you & I are lay people, we ought to rely on common sense ( not your strong point) & good faith ( pun unintended but also not your strong point) when you seek to challenge professionals who've been in / simulated such situations multiple times in their Long & illustrious career apart from having access to inside sources which we lack.

Forget them for a moment and let's rely on common sense. Consider yourself to be the AVM in charge of the eastern borders in the PAF and you're tasked with responding to the aggression by the IAF on the 26 th. You look around she what do you have - a plethora of obselete jets - Mirage 3 & Mirage -5, the JF-17 & the pride of your forces the F-16.

What're you up against? The Mirage 2k, MiG 29, MiG 21 & the eagle of the skies - the supreme predator Su 30 MKI.

What do you do, if you want to break through their defences? Firstly, you've to rely a lot on deception given the superior EW abilities of the MKI. Which means for the 4-6 jets you plan to penetrate the defences of the Indians, you need at least twice or thrice the no to serve as a diversion , if you've to get the task accomplished. I've given you merely the bare bones of the planning. I've not factored in ARE, AWACS, Ground air defences, terrain, etc. All these would have their own role to play when deciding the combination and no of FA you would need to mount an assault. Now you do the math.
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I’m sure that your explanation is not the answer to my question
 
Guynextdoor said:
I’m sure that your explanation is not the answer to my question
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I've known a lot of engineers to not only mug formulae but actually problems of quantum mechanics and other such mathematical / engineering problems. They did get their engineering degree and never practised engineering again. A few went on to be professors, though (?).

I guess they may have taught in your college.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
I think they did either thru tweet or thru the briefing.
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Nope. And that is the problem. Vishnu som came on air And revealed information. I thought that the foreign secretary brief that happened later would confirm it. But no. He just said we spotted jets and thwarted. Any semblance of details like 300 killed, 24 jets, all came from closed door briefings by netas who asked to be called sources. This is bs. Everything in Pakistan including the large loads of bs comes from officials of paf backed fully by imran. Here, no one is sticking their head out for anything.
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
I've known a lot of engineers to not only mug formulae but actually problems of quantum mechanics and other such mathematical / engineering problems. They did get their engineering degree and never practised engineering again. A few went on to be professors, though (?).

I guess they may have taught in your college.
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I didn’t read what you wrote because it looked like a waste of my time
 
vstol Jockey said:
I was just going to post it. Multiple AMRAAM launches and except for the one which hit Wg. Cdr Abhi, all were defeated. Even in that we are not sure if he was hit by ground fire or AMRAAM. So the jammers on Su-30MKI did their job of not only protecting the platform but other platforms in the formation also. This is what an escort jammer can do. Protect the whole force.
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Our friends in pdf seem to think iaf claims it shot down missile. Guess they haven’t heard of jamming yet.
 
Parul said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1102986077042851840
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There is a name mentioned.... Also his father ... who is a very senior officer.... How long does it take for ISPR to counter this ? all they need to do is a statement from his dad and probably a video of the pilot.... They can go to any extent (reposting 2016 video to claim citing subs ) Why cant they do this simple thing?????
 
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nair said:
There is a name mentioned.... Also his father ... who is a very senior officer.... How long does it take for ISPR to counter this ? all they need to do is a statement from his dad and probably a video of the pilot.... They can go to any extent (reposting 2016 video to claim citing subs ) Why cant they do this simple thing?????
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You remember they first tried to promote the theory that abhi was flying a sukhoi. And then they found the bison crash site so couldn’t deny
 
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Shajida Khan said:
Hmm.. certainly possible. The area was under AWACS surveillance as well, right?
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Solved the problems of the guys at F16.net

Kindly relay the same to them , so that they can finally stop worrying on how India managed to find the pieces of AMRAAM so quickly.

A civilian got hit by a piece of the same.

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seniors ,
any response about saikat dutta article
i know his hate for modi, but why dont we release incontrovertible evidence about downing terroristan f16
i think we are missing a trick here
 
nair said:
There is a name mentioned.... Also his father ... who is a very senior officer.... How long does it take for ISPR to counter this ? all they need to do is a statement from his dad and probably a video of the pilot.... They can go to any extent (reposting 2016 video to claim citing subs ) Why cant they do this simple thing?????
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but sir asia times article by saikat dutta has quoted his father that he has only two son and none of them has ever flown an aircraft
 
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