India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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What makes you think that is not the case?
Your logic has been same for now two years is it? But never a concrete answer. I invited @Star Wars to work out a detailed scenario presenting options. He will when he has time, why not you try at it? Post in the Opinion written by me Imposing Costs: India's War on Terror. Look for the thread and put forth your points. Let us see them. Rhetorics are the easiest to indulge one's self in.
In a democracy, the majority view is the Supreme Leader, the All Father etc etc, deal with that.
How very apt. Will come back to this.
Your usual approach of being unable to understand anything around you. What? When did this happen?
Pakistan fails to secure $3.2 billion UAE oil facility: Report - Times of India
Told you serve your country. But you remain that character who cheers the country to war and heads in the other direction when the clouds gather.
Not new approach of yours @_Anonymous_ @nair say hello to my old friend
Now, you are jealous of Pakistani's bragging rights' eh? Yup ... jobless enthusiasts indeed.... why, wish you could afford to be online forever?
And this is of course through the link I just posted above.
Oh, now what did you say earlier?
You are boring me already
I dont know if we are missing this, but.. despite China's "technical hold" and despite any news,
I have not seen even one news item condemning India for going into Pak and bombing it.
Not one ofMuslim countries, nor China has condemned India for going into Pak and dropping bombs.
I have not seen even one news item condemning India for going into Pak and bombing it.
Not one ofMuslim countries, nor China has condemned India for going into Pak and dropping bombs.
Remember Pakistani diplomats Comparing shivsena with lakshar-e-toiba .....................................yes you read it right.
Told you serve your country. But you remain that character who cheers the country to war and heads in the other direction when the clouds gather.
@_Anonymous_ @nair say hello to my old friend
For the present, I'd reserve comment. But I do see certain similarities.
Please read my earlier posts. China supports Pakistan and North Korea as they are its extended arms thru which it is keeping the top three economies tied down and also keeping itself safe. What happens the day we take out Pakistan? I had written that as of now we have a triangle of forces between India-Pakistan-China. The moment Pakistan is gone, it becomes a straight line and a simple equation. In simple equation we have far superior tactical advantage over China. China fears this and so will support Pakistan even after making statements of being neutral in case of a war. They can't afford to be neutral. They will lose far bigger in terms of Geostrategy and domination in this part oif the world. China will become a nation locked down by far stronger enemies from all sides and their dream of taking over Taiwan will never fructify with a very strong India to its south. AND India which will have no enemies except China once we take out Pakistan. Was it not the reason that they gave Pakistan Nuke bomb design and also tested it? Was it not the reason why they transferred missile tech to Pakistan? We take out Pakistan and we will call off the bluff of China. It is as simple as that.
Uhhh..
To be honest, we only know what has been shown to us or someone pointed where we should look. Details of what has been ongoing will emerge only decades later. There are details of '71 war which emerged only after creation of B'desh.
This is why I believe, "We don't know what has been achieved."
Lastly, at worst we may have another '62 moment right now. A conflict which lead to build-up of India's capability. We didn't loose anything strategic in '62 conflict but came out much stronger later. This was apparent in '67's Chola incidence and later much more apparent in '71's conflict.
Remember, for a country victory and defeat is measured are only in terms of strategic goals. This is why Pakistan never won any wars with India. They never realized any strategic goals. Rest all are narratives. Words are not even worth a dime a dozen.
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Regarding the IAF strike, there is absolute public consensus that IAF 'released' payloads in a 'hurry' and 'ran' away. ISPR's narrative is unchallenged so far, even from the worst critics. There were major angry sentiments on the day of the strike that how did the IAF even penetrate Pakistani airspace, but they were dispelled after DG ISPR described the tactics of IAF (parallel technical violations over Bahawalpur-Okara & Lahore-Sialkot sectors), and said that as soon as PAF approached the Muzaffarabad sector, IAF 'ran' away.
Of course IAF violated LoC for just a couple kms before releasing the SOWs and turning back, unchallenged.
Regarding the PAF strikes, the public morale is sky-high. There is a mood of celebration because PAF retaliated with 'full force', penetrated across LoC unchallenged, hit multiple targets and brought down the MiG-21 which came inside our airspace. There's also public frenzy regarding a Su-30MKI which PAF supposedly brought down. Then there's the whole tea-party fiasco, and following that PM Khan's decision to release the Wing Commander Abhinandan for 'peace'...this was all extremely well received by the Pakistani public.
However there are still questions regarding the missing pilot(s), which are being answered by the Israeli conspiracy theory. Nobody is talking about a possibly crashed PAF jet. And the AMRAAM evidence is being countered by the 'Tiawan' conspiracy theory, probably an attempt to fool the Americans.
Then there's the international media's somewhat support of the Pakistani narrative (i.e. missed Balakot strike proofs, no proof of downed F-16, no criticism of PAF's retaliatory strike, appreciation of the release act, PM Khan's persistent posture for peace etc). India also didn't respond to the PAF's 'massive' strike on the 'non-military' targets. There's also still lack of acknowledgment of support of the militant groups, the public believes that they're freedom fighters and their actions are justified.
As you said, a better script couldn't have been written. Although it would've been even better if there was no acknowledgment of the second/third pilot in the first place.
Oh I'm completely at peace. It doesn't seem like its my nerves which are being struck. Its sad to see 'professionals' losing composure, as they're precisely the ones who should be the last to do so. But I guess I understand the reason, having watched some of GD Bakhshi.
Check the history of air violations around loc in last 15 years..... Tell me when did PAF responded with a response of a 24 jet formation ad and crossed LOc (Even if it was 1)..... Why did ISPR tweeted at 4 am ? Why did ISPR changed it statement twice ?(Just because you consider ISPR to be the gospel of truth)....
There are lot more to the story.
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Unlike you and me, who are only internet chatter mouths, the guy you are talking to has served in the forces....
Unless you are serving, I will say keep that opinion in control.
Oh thank you, I absolutely didn't realize that. Thank you for your gracious gesture.
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I described the public sentiment using DG ISPR's statements, I didn't say it was my opinion. I've clearly stated my personal opinion several times.
I don't consider them to be the gospel of truth, rather I believe that the truth lies somewhere in the between the two lies.
All of us are on the search of that "Truth....nothing but Truth "
In my humbled opinion, we should see their "Azhar" and raise it to few "activists" of Uyghur.
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The worst part of trying to find the truth and sticking to the facts is that EVERYBODY starts getting aggressive at some point, regardless of which side of the border you're on. I guess it was rightly said, that truth hurts.
But tell me, what's different in this narrative and the ones leading to the build up and during the 1965, 1971 & 1999 wars. Weren't such triumphalist narratives generating public hubris common all through, only to come crashing down particularly in 1971.You ought to refer to the post above your own. Unless of course, post facto strategic goals are about fighting an adversary 7 times your size to a standstill & is & has been the plan all along.Isn't it deja vu all over again?
What is written in his tag????
I can guarantee you that he is just another "Warrior"
Not the likes of you and me the armchair majors
Don't bother... He was critical to army before and has leant his lesson in a very hard way..... He was worried more about the death of crow but did not bother to ask to show the madrassah...... Currently he is a PA fanboy albeit a forced one....
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