India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[safriz]

except, that Sam Manekshaw, never even looked for Unilateral Surrender, but rather a Ceasefire. It was General Jacob who bulldozed a jelly legged Niazi to secure the surrender. Until JFR Jacob, was already in dhaka, Neither Gen JS Arora, nor FM Manekshaw knew about the instrument of surrender. So the khayai pullaav deal, Deal Behlane ke liye theek hai.

Niazi had to be jelly legged.
He had no political support from Islamabad. He was on his own.
But he did great under those situations. With India sitting in the middle, cutting off supplies, the Pakistani army did great.
If India was winning that much, they would not have signed any surrender deal, rather killed as many Pakistani soldiers as possible.
So by manikshssw own admission, the Pakistani army did fight bravely and indan army made a deal to avoid bloodshed of Indian soldiers. Likewise Niazi was not a big fan of fighting and killed some 13 year old ", Bangla babu" and found surrender the better option.

 

[safriz]

Are you saying a Jew outsmarted a Pashtun? That's unbelievable!! Can you reference it?

Fuk u man. You are a real lowlife assshole.
Why don't you find something better to do with your sorry sad and useless life instead of krapping and making a stink over here?
Anyway we Pakistanis are busy watching PSL final.
Can't be arsed with the schoolboy above who probably masturbates watching news anchors on zee TV.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Fuk u man. You are a real lowlife assshole.
Why don't you find something better to do with your sorry sad and useless life instead of krapping and making a stink over here?

Difficult to see a mirror, I guess.

 

[LoneWolfSandeep]

Oopsy Jew reality stuck a deep chord, maybe we should invite more of them over. I know many call India home for generations - but it really got someone by the balls

 

[Milspec]

Niazi had to be jelly legged.
He had no political support from Islamabad. He was on his own.
But he did great under those situations. With India sitting in the middle, cutting off supplies, the Pakistani army did great.

But that was based on the great Ayub/Yahya strategy if Security of "east lies in the west"; such concoctions of grandeur a typical of Pakistani problem.

If India was winning that much, they would not have signed any surrender deal, rather killed as many Pakistani soldiers as possible.

Because that never was India's objective, the objective was liberation of Bangladesh, which was concluded with surgical precision; capitulating a state withing 14 days, exacting the largest surrender since WWII.

So by manikshssw own admission, the Pakistani army did fight bravely and indan army made a deal to avoid bloodshed of Indian soldiers. Likewise Niazi was not a big fan of fighting and killed some 13 year old ", Bangla babu" and found surrender the better option.

Pakistani Soldiers fought bravely, no denying of that , in 65, in 71 in 99 all of them. But Indian army exacted a surrender to aviod own casualties, that doesn't even make any common sense; would you apply the same to Nazis Surrendering to Alied forces or Japanese surrendering to US as the weakness of the victor? That is quite strange rationale, much like "Security of "east lies in the west"; right?

 

[Milspec]

Are you saying a Jew outsmarted a Pashtun? That's unbelievable!! Can you reference it?

listen 2.54 min onwards

 

[_Anonymous_]

listen 2.54 min onwards

I think you ought to watch the PSL matches. Reality can be much too depressing, now that the evidence is here . Of course, it could also be that this was the plan all along.After all Lt Gen JFR Jacob too knew several top generals in the PA.Plus being a Jew he too is a follower of the Ahl e Kitaab . @safriz

 

[Milspec]

I think you ought to watch the PSL matches. Reality can be much too depressing, now that the evidence is here . Of course, it could also be that this was the plan all along.After all Lt Gen JFR Jacob too knew several top generals in the PA.Plus being a Jew he too is a follower of the Ahl e Kitaab . @safriz

I dont know what his religion has to do with anything. This man was a champion arty man; also little known to people the architect of India's selection of M46 .

 

[Gautam]

Difficult to see a mirror, I guess.

Dude, I've seen trolling before. But you sir, are in a league of your own. Accept my humble admiration.

 

[_Anonymous_]

I dont know what his religion has to do with anything. This man was a champion arty man; also little know to people the architect of India's selection of M46 .

The language of religion and supremacy of their own is what drives the state of Pakistan and its citizens. You need to speak their language to them in order to make yourself understood and if you mean business. Otherwise the state of our relationship with Pakistan for the past 70 years is before you.A lot of it has to do with the fact that we weren't quite communicating to them in their language. The same is true of the Chinese.

 

[LoneWolfSandeep]

I dont know what his religion has to do with anything.

It doesnt in India's case, but for Extremist Islamophobic nation states or followers of that mentality it does a lot & its fun pulling that strings and watch them twist & churn inside

 

[Milspec]

I dont know what you Indians were told, but we grew up with 1965 war veterans. The main reason was same as today. Indian attempts of blocking Pakistan's water. Thats why we went to war

Coming back to distortion of history, I reiterate:
Since the 1965 war was based on a big lie and was presented to the nation a great victory, the Army came to believe its own fiction and has used since, Ayub as its role model and therefore has continued to fight unwanted wars — the 1971 war and the Kargil fiasco in 1999.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

@safriz @_Anonymous_ @Milspec
Not many people know this but

The Reason Zia Ul Haq HANGED Bhutto
Was Because Bhutto rejected the Ceasefire
Proposal in the UN

It was an act of Betrayal by Bhutto

Bhutto wanted Pak Army to lose
And Surrender , thereby smashing its
Domestic image and high profile for ever

Pak Army generals realised this plan of Bhutto after the war

If Bhutto had accepted this UN mandated
Ceasefire, Pak Army would not have to sign the instrument of Surrender

And the transfer of power would have happened peacefully

 

[Milspec]

@safriz @_Anonymous_ @Milspec
Not many people know this but

The Reason Zia Ul Haq HANGED Bhutto
Was Because Bhutto rejected the Ceasefire
Proposal in the UN

It was an act of Betrayal by Bhutto

Bhutto wanted Pak Army to lose
And Surrender , thereby smashing its
Domestic image and high profile for ever

Pak Army generals realised this plan of Bhutto after the war

If Bhutto had accepted this UN mandated
Ceasefire, Pak Army would not have to sign the instrument of Surrender

And the transfer of power would have happened peacefully

Doubt it;

Pakistan army setbacks = Consolidation of it's vise grip on throats of Pakistani institution.

65 = Consolidation of Ayub /Yahya - one unit (security of east in the west)
71 = Army Backed Bhutto precipitates to the top, despite not wining the popular vote.
99 = Brings Musharraf to Power
WoT Drone attacks : Consolidates the new shadow premier Routine Kiyani/Shariff/Bajwa et all.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Yesterday 10 pm onwards, if I'm not mistaken.

Jiotv got all the videos of yesterday streaming but at 10pm yesterday India Today was showing Mumbai bridge story I guess. You can install and check for yourself, videos are there and let me know the exact time if you find out.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Doubt it;

Pakistan army setbacks = Consolidation of it's vise grip on throats of Pakistani institution.

65 = Consolidation of Ayub /Yahya - one unit (security of east in the west)
71 = Army Backed Bhutto precipitates to the top, despite not wining the popular vote.
99 = Brings Musharraf to Power
WoT Drone attacks : Consolidates the new shadow premier Routine Kiyani/Shariff/Bajwa et all.

What you have written is the Reality

But what Bhutto had planned for the Pak Army Is something else

You can Google " Bhutto Rejected Polish Resolution"

There are many articles

Actually that Last 15 Dec Resolution was sponsored by Poland and quietly backed
By USSR , which wanted to prevent an
outright humialiation and surrender of Pakistan

And as Gen Jacob said in this interview
That you posted , the Soviets had said to India ," No more Veto " in UNSC

Because they wanted to maintain some
Sort of Friendship with Pakistan after the war

While Gen Jacob fooled Niazi in East Pakistan
Bhutto screwed them in UN

 

[_Anonymous_]

@safriz @_Anonymous_ @Milspec
Not many people know this but

The Reason Zia Ul Haq HANGED Bhutto
Was Because Bhutto rejected the Ceasefire
Proposal in the UN

It was an act of Betrayal by Bhutto

Bhutto wanted Pak Army to lose
And Surrender , thereby smashing its
Domestic image and high profile for ever

Pak Army generals realised this plan of Bhutto after the war

If Bhutto had accepted this UN mandated
Ceasefire, Pak Army would not have to sign the instrument of Surrender

And the transfer of power would have happened peacefully

Incorrect. Bhutto was hanged because of Zia's insecurities. Plus he was the only Pakistani politician with a mass base thanks to the socialist policies he initiated. He could always stage a comeback if he were exiled or even if he were imprisoned.

Please note that roti kapda aur makaan, later famous in India, was a slogan attributed initially to Bhutto and the PPP.

OTOH, he was extremely arrogant and autocratic. Instead of nurturing a fledgling democracy and nourishing it's roots he antagonized his political rivals and tried to intimidate them , even bludgeon them into silence and submission both within and outside his party.

Khan Abdul Wali Khan, son of Baadshah Khan and leader of the ANP the then second most powerful party in Pakistan then went on record inside Parliament pointing at Bhutto stating - You stop telling lies about me and I'd stop telling the truth about you.

Khan Abdul Wali Khan - Wikipedia

Quote from Wiki:

In an open public seminar, Wali Khan quoted that "There is one possible grave for two people ... let us see who gets in first".[25]

With the result, when Bhutto was hanged, there weren't many people outside the PPP and it's support base who shed tears.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Jiotv got all the videos of yesterday streaming but at 10pm yesterday India Today was showing Mumbai bridge story I guess. You can install and check for yourself, videos are there and let me know the exact time if you find out.

Try for programs after 10 pm. I mean 11 PM onwards then.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Incorrect. Bhutto was hanged because of Zia's insecurities. Plus he was the only Pakistani politician with a mass base thanks to the socialist policies he initiated. He could always stage a comeback if he were exiled or even if he were imprisoned.

Please note that roti kapda aur makaan, later famous in India, was a slogan attributed initially to Bhutto and the PPP.

OTOH, he was extremely arrogant and autocratic. Instead of nurturing a fledgling democracy and nourishing it's roots he antagonized his political rivals and tried to intimidate them , even bludgeon them into silence and submission both within and outside his party.

Khan Abdul Wali Khan, son of Baadshah Khan and leader of the ANP the then second most powerful party in Pakistan then went on record inside Parliament pointing at Bhutto stating - You stop telling lies about me and I'd stop telling the truth about you.

Khan Abdul Wali Khan - Wikipedia

Quote from Wiki:

In an open public seminar, Wali Khan quoted that "There is one possible grave for two people ... let us see who gets in first".[25]

With the result, when Bhutto was hanged, there weren't many people outside the PPP and it's support base who shed tears.

After Pak Army came to know that the
Polish Resolution would have saved them the Humiliation of Surrendering before India

They wanted to know who stopped it
And the Answer was Bhutto

It was not just Zia who hated him
The entire Pak Army wanted to kill him

One more thing
After 71 debacle, it was Bhutto who was
in secure and worried about a coup

So he tried to create a large Para military
Force that would report to him

And two he appointed A Muhajir Zia ul Haq
As COAS

But The Army wanted to kill him and they did

 

[Shajida Khan]

If India was winning that much, they would not have signed any surrender deal, rather killed as many Pakistani soldiers as possible.

Because India is not Pakistan...

So by manikshssw own admission, the Pakistani army did fight bravely and indan army made a deal to avoid bloodshed of Indian soldiers. Likewise Niazi was not a big fan of fighting and killed some 13 year old ", Bangla babu" and found surrender the better option.

LOL! So operation searchlight was Halal and fighting Mukti Bahini was Haram. What an idea Sir-ji.