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So where does it even indirectly admit to a F-16 being downed? @STEPHEN COHEN

This is his New version

The MiG 21 was higher , he says at 15000 feet

F 16 was at 7000 feet

Abhinandan attacked him
The F 16 went upwards in a Vertical Charlie manuver ie straight upwards direction
To escape

Then he says " What happened next is unclear"

Then he says the MiG 21 went down

Lastly he says " His sources are " Rumours"

Actually the people who know him from F16.net have Outed his retractions

This new statement is like he is feeling the guilt of succumbing to Pakistani bullying
 
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This guy has Cooper has clearly told about the Relative positions of the two planes

Such precise info can be received from PAF
Sources

And according to his version

Abhinandan was in an excellent position to shoot that F 16 which was hopelessly trapped in trying to make a low level ingress
And then suddenly having to break

The Ground Controller of IAF gets half the credit because he vectored Abhi perfectly
 
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Been following this guy past couple of days. this tom cooper guy seems to have more info on 27th than all the scenarios we discussed on this forum since then. he actually deleted a lot of the content.

Actually what he said was known to us also

His Pakistani sources have only confirmed it
 
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In fact on Twitter ,I read that Pakistanis
Accused Cooper on F 16.net of Taking Money from MODI :ROFLMAO:

To say that F 16 went down

He does nt want to loose his Pak friends
So he deleted everything
 
Has anyone heard about Operation Orchard? Israel had sufficient intelligence regarding a nuclear reactor in Syria. Therefore, they task their air force on 7 Dec, 2007 to strike the nuclear facility in Syria using a strike package of 7-10 aircrafts which pierced through heavy air defenses and successfully destroyed the target.

Immediately after the strike, Israel never released any official statement regarding the strike. Likewise, the Al-assad's Syrian govt rejected the reports of a possible strike initially. Later they said that there was no nuclear facility in the first place and they have thwarted the Israeli aircrafts away due to which they dropped their payload in open areas. There is a theory that this narrative of both the sides was mutually agreed after the operation, so as to avoid further escalation. It is only after 10 years, in 2018, did the Israeli defense forces actually confirm attacking the nuclear facility in Syria.

The whole episode has a lot of similarities with the balakot strike starting from the attack to the narratives of both the sides. This makes me wonder that it might be the case where the GoI does not want to prove the obvious to avoid direct escalation (Even if we have the capability to handle the escalation, at this point it is not desired). Just imagine how would Pakistan react/escalate if we immediately prove the damage (not just structures but also in terms of casualties). I am sure Pakistan would have been under pressure to do more than what they did on 27th Feb. A country cannot keep quite when hundreds of its people are killed. May be this is the reason why the proofs will never be out (at least for now) and both the countries will stick to their narratives. I think the proof won't come out not because we do not want to expose our capabilities, but to avoid direct escalation. People in PA/ISI who matter already know what happened and the objective of the strikes has been achieved.

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They are already through with 5 hoors, now 67 virgin hoors are available.
Once you go through one hoor, she is no longer a virgin right?

How did they come up with the 72 number? I guess up there they also have 24 hours in a day, so does the hoors and hour have some connection? :(
 
This is what I had written on another thread. The F-16s came in from Sunderbani side which has slightly less tall mountains but when they ingressed and wanted to return back they had to climb up to clear the Pir Panjal towards north of the ingress point. pir panjal ranges have increased elevation as we go towards North. If the F-16s had turned south, they could have egressed at lower altitude but would have also run into M2Ks and other Su-30MKIs.
 
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There is more to Balakot than the numbers
THE BJP PRESIDENT Amit Shah may not have been far-off the mark when he claimed that 250 terrorists were killed during the Indian Air Force’s air strike on Balakot at around 3:30 am local time on February 26th, 2019. However, Shah would never be able to provide the evidence to back his claim. Revealing the evidence would violate the charter of ‘The MOU on Geosynchronous Earth Orbit and Low Earth Orbit Optical Link’ signed between Prime Ministers Modi and Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel on July 5th, 2017 in New Delhi. This MoU permits Indian and Israeli satellites to ‘talk to each other’.


Let me explain further. EL/M-2070 Tec SAR, also known as Tech SAR, Polaris and Ofek-8, is an Israeli Reconnaissance Satellite equipped with synthetic aperture radar developed by Elta Systems. It was successfully launched on January 21st, 2008, by PSLV C-10, Launch Vehicle, from Sriharikota in India. This satellite is perhaps the world’s only satellite that is an indispensable system for military operations in the mountainous terrains of Central Asia that includes the Hindu Kush, Karakoram and Himalayan ranges. It is capable of imaging with a resolution of up to 10 centimeters, through an X-band radar system. The satellite’s maximum resolution is believed to be around 1 metre. Tec SAR’s was the first Israeli satellite to feature Synthetic Aperture Radar, or SAR, which provides images in day or night and under all-weather conditions.
Now, RISAT-2, or Radar Imaging Satellite 2, is an Indian Radar Reconnaissance Satellite that was built by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and successfully launched aboard a PSLV-CA rocket at 01:15 GMT on April 20th, 2009 from the second launchpad at the Satish Dhawan Space Centre. RISAT-2’s main sensor is also an X-band synthetic aperture radar from IAI. It is designed to monitor India’s borders and is a part of anti-infiltration and anti-terrorist operations.
Here is a possible scenario of what happened over Balakot on the night of Feb 26th, 2019. The Israeli satellite Tec SAR was tasked to directly send images of heat signatures of the number of terrorists sleeping in their dormitories in the Balakot Camp to RISAT-2. This exchange took place in outer space. Mind you, the dormitories were located in two separate buildings that flanked the main structure. The main structure was of no strategic or tactical interest. Having confirmed that whatever number of terrorists were in the land of nod, RISAT-2 transmitted this information to the designated IAF Phalcon AWACS that was controlling this attack. All of this would have happened in under 15 minutes. The Phalcon then transmitted the go-ahead to the Flight Leader of the Mirage 2000s to launch their ordnance. While this was in progress, it is presumed because of the sensitivity involved in this virgin exercise, Site IV of the US National Command Authorities (NCA) Ground Based Electro-Optical Deep Space Surveillance System (GEODSS) at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean was also patched in. Diego Garcia in turn would be directly connected to the USAF Space Command Space Defence Centre (SPADOC) at the Cheyenne Mountain Complex. This in turn would have patched in the Pentagon.
The US, Israel and India jointly collaborated for the first time in a real-time encounter against Chinese technology and these two encounters will provide a lot of data
THE QUESTION IS: were the Mirage 2000s using the Israeli SPICE 2000? While undoubtedly, the SPICE 2000 ‘operates on pre-recorded GPS coordinates’, and the weapon’s ‘advanced identification and processing abilities can reportedly help overcome jamming efforts’, the public announcement of its usage may have been a decoy. My guess is that the Mirage 2000 which fired the ordnance was armed with the Israeli Delilah Cruise Missile. Delilah is a cruise missile capable of deceiving even the much-vaunted Trumpf S-400 Russian air defence system and can loiter over a contested area before hitting the target. Delilah has a range of 250 km and can penetrate any air defence system. This is why the Pakistani air defences were clueless as to what was hurtling through the skies towards Balakot. SPICE 2000 is nowhere in the league of Delilah. The use of Delilah would have also rattled the Chinese as they use the S-400 system. We seem to have the weapon capable of overriding even the Chinese Air Defence shield at present, if we really do have Delilah?
But this is by no means the end of the story. A confused and perplexed Pakistani leadership was floored. Their reaction was knee -jerk. The very next day, on February 27th, 2019 an assorted flight of PAF aircraft attempted to invade Indian air space and launch ordnance against targets in Jammu & Kashmir. Why did they flee and why did their ordnance not reach the designated targets?
The PAF used H4 Stand Off Weapon (SOW) in this attack. It has a terminal guidance system based on an infrared homing seeker, which identifies the target during the final stage of flight. Designed to hit targets till 120 km, the bomb may have the capability to evade radar. This is based on technology copied from the South African T-Darter BVR missile and in this particular case was susceptible to being jammed by the IAF’s IR Jammers which disabled the H4, confusing the infrared seekers placed in the cone of the H4. Furthermore, it is my guess that the IAF Phalcon controlling this dogfight was armed with the Rafael Sky Shield EW pod which can protect an entire fighter formation. All the AMRAAM’s fired by the PAF F16s and similar Chinese missiles fired by the PAF JF-17s, were disabled and flew harmlessly by. The entire battle will have to be broken down and diagnosed to decipher how the missile that downed Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman’s MiG- 21 Bison was able to penetrate the Sky Shield. Thereafter, heavy pressure from all of its benefactors, excepting China, compelled Pakistan to return Varthaman.
Undoubtedly, India owes a debt to Israel. The Tec SAR, RISAT, Phalcon, SPICE, Delilah, Sky Shield and MiG 21 Bison are all Israeli products. Pakistan for the first time realised both the limitations of its own ability to ‘steal and copy’ and the effectiveness of Chinese technology, and so did their Chinese overlords. The US, Israel and India jointly collaborated for the first time in a real-time encounter against Chinese technology and these two encounters will provide a lot of data for all the participants to analyse and study. This may open up such cooperation with Japan as well.
For the Chinese, from their point of view, this was an unfair fight and they desperately needed to prop up the demoralised Pakistani morale. Both the Chinese and the Pakistanis have got to know how India feels as they are pitted against us in choreographed synchronicity. For the first time after 1971 when the Soviets helped us with satellite imagery, another country, namely Israel, has helped us unconditionally in our time of need. The Chinese action in blocking the UN Resolution on Masood Azhar has to be seen in this light. Can Pakistan still prove to be a potent Chinese frontline weapon against India, now that India has crossed the Rubicon in terms of retaliation?
Incidentally, all of the information in this article is available on the internet and only requires the skill to join the dots.
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Very interesting read....

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