India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Gautam said:
@BlackOpsIndia this is what we gathered from the recent ops. Like I guessed then, too many encounters in a single day maens something's up. Maybe somebody snitched or maybe our HUMINT.
Map recovered from dead terrorist reveals a major plot to target IAF air bases in Srinagar, Awantipora | India News
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Hurriyet was tolerated because they acted as safety valve, gave up Jihadis getting out of hand and trying something big like Pulwama, but after that attack Hurriyet lost its utility and hence been disposed. Now somebody may have given up these jihadis fearing any attack will tighten more screws, just a hunch nothing confirmed.


The first act of next government should be to declare Pakistan as terrorist state and thereby use it as cover to board and inspect Pakistani ships, will slow down the trade and choke Pakistan. Those not complying to be destroyed, one or two like that and most will prefer to wait then to reach Pakistan on time.

This will increase insurance cost and slowdown the trade, perishable goods be rotten at the sea. If Pakistani navy wants to come be ready to make an example of it, one conflict at sea, 2-3 ships sanked and Pakistan will start negotiations. Put Hafiz and Masood Azhar handover as condition. Use them as cover to destroy the economy by force.

Things may not go as expected and a few hiccups, unplanned contingencies may arise but objective must be clear. We should not give up till Pakistan give up terrorism. We also have 27th Feb aggression to be responded.


PS- This all is just my wishful thinking, don't think Modi will do anything like that, Gujjus are more concerned with money and business than war or fight. He may have already given up that right to respond after UAE, Saudis and US called him on that night and his fetish with rubbing shoulders with world leaders, getting pampered like a angry relative on marriages got better of him. His compromises and giving up some long standing Indian demands at various forums are not critically discussed to project him as statesman but this is his weak spot. Getting acknowledgement from USA who denied him Visa and appeasing Trump to Xi, all brushed under the carpet for the good of nation.
 
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@BlackOpsIndia all your points are valid. But why go overt with declaring them as terrorist state?? The world knows it, always has. Why not continue carrying out our pre-emptive non-military strikes? They will keep denying anything happened, good for us!!. Go back and do it again. How long before the aam abduls wake up to reality!

Their economy is in free fall mode. KSE tanking at the rate it is only means the smart money is being moved out. The PKR weakening will only make repayment of loans that much more burdensome, considering the bulk need to be repaid in USD.

Against all odds, even if they were to genuinely embark on the IMF proposed path of economic reform, the short to mid term effects of that path on the mango abdul would just exacerbate. Classic recipe for disaster. Wouldn't rule out a major uprising, not to say they aren't already happening..Balochistan, sind etc

All that being said, the current ripples on the US- Iran front could also present a potentially strategic opportunity for India to open a position (it probably has it already, so more logical to fortify the position further) in Afghanistan. I would like to believe, that if a mango yindoo like me can imagine this, doval has probably war-gamed this prospect over and over with multiple endgame possibilities.

As for Modi, all that shoulder rubbing did pay off via diplomatic capital. Personally, I don't think he is the average gujju who is interested just in the profit. He seems to the kind of gujju, who wants his profit, but also total or near-total loss of the adversary. Just my personal opinion.
 
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BlackOpsIndia said:
What a crap, are you short of powerful slogans that instills fear in enemys heart that you need to copy others slogans?

Say Jai Shri Ram, Har Har Mahadev, Bharat Mata ki Jai, Jai mahakali, Jai Mahakal, Vande Matram and see the fear if still needs a fancy one try #PKMKB
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Let's keep the ego and sentiments aside. This is an experiment within a grand strategy on how to absorb POK in mainland India. It is a slow progression of transformation, in the language the enemy understands. You cannot achieve any result by forceful imposition of Hindutva over Islam in a warfare of deception. There are a lot of forces in the 4th gen warfare which can derail achievement of your goals.
 
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BlackOpsIndia said:
Gujjus are more concerned with money and business than war or fight.
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Come on now. Let's not fall into this trap. Our neighbour has had Pathans, Ghazis, Ghauris,Ghaznavis, Khans(Naizi) as their leaders. A lot of good it did for them. Let's not get into the whole Gujjus are this, Marathas are that, Punjabis are this, Biharis are that and so on. It gets us nowhere and we just end up fighting each other.
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He may have already given up that right to respond after UAE, Saudis and US called him on that night and his fetish with rubbing shoulders with world leaders, getting pampered like a angry relative on marriages got better of him. His compromises and giving up some long standing Indian demands at various forums are not critically discussed to project him as statesman but this is his weak spot. Getting acknowledgement from USA who denied him Visa and appeasing Trump to Xi, all brushed under the carpet for the good of nation.
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We don't know how true this is, if at all. I doubt this is the case. But I think having a larger economy, stronger military would make things better for us. I suppose more opportunities will present themselves in the future.

I look at it this way, we just went from "26/11 was a RAW/RSS sazish" to "kayamat ki raat" in a decade. Politicians/Politics take time to evolve. I'm willing to wait for better leaders in the future and vote for them when they emerge, irrespective of political parties/ideologies. But until then I'll avoid the voting for the folks that came up with "Hindu terrorist".
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All that being said, the current ripples on the US- Iran front could also present a potentially strategic opportunity for India to open a position (it probably has it already, so more logical to fortify the position further) in Afghanistan.
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Do elaborate on that. What kind of opportunities do you foresee for us in the US-Iran tensions ?
 
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Gautam said:
Do elaborate on that. What kind of opportunities do you foresee for us in the US-Iran tensions ?
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i will try and make a sincere attempt. I'm no military strategist, but I won't make cloud cover statements either. In my RAW vision, I believe the die has already been cast as far as Afghanistan goes. The current, and potentially explosive dynamic (US-iran) puts Pakistan in a dangerous situation, where it could very well lose the geo-political status it has enjoyed insofar. With their current relations with all their neighbours, especially with the PTM movement on its north-western border, an explosive situation in Iran is the last thing it wants. not to mention the fact that it has tooted it's horn as being the flagbearer for the Islamic cause in the world, or very leat in s.asia. It is debatable whether other Islamic nations recognize that.

Add to that, the Trump factor, the Afghani rejection, the Afghan-india equation currently, and it appears to be the right time to launch a covert, hybrid attack from the Afghan border, while simultaneously keeping their eastern border hot.

I'm not saying this situation will help or deteriorate India- Iran relations, but it certainly gives us an opportunity to strike asymmetrically. Strike covertly via the Afghan border (collect intelligence of these groups they are now housing there), and overtly across the Loc (usual high power shelling) . Keep them occupied, keep some naval movement in the south...Then do a strike from whichever direction is ideal.

i see this as a broad level gameplan, but time will tell!
 
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Clarity sought on Pakistan relationship with Taliban???
Maybe in FATF, it can be asked the terror financing of Taliban & nature of Pakistan relationship with Taliban, as well as number of Pakistan Army regulars with ID card, who have dead in various battles inside Afghanistan, and the nature of financing to the dead family members by Pakistan state..
That would put Pakistan in even deeper mat in relation to FATF, India should pursue the same & bring it to list of actions, with details/action sought, before relieving Chair of FAFT
 
IMRAN KHAN'S RELATIONS WITH MENTOR GEN QAMAR BAJWA ENTER TROUBLE ZONE

Gen Bajwa, the all-powerful Pak army chief, has been unhappy with overall performance of Khan-led govt

Recently, Bajwa also requested Imran Khan to offer some conciliatory gestures to the political opposition. Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan's relationship with army chief and his mentor of sorts Gen Qamar Bajwa has developed strains over issues concerning functioning of the government.

Gen Bajwa, the all-powerful army chief, has been unhappy with the overall performance of the Khan-led government, including handling of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), persons familiar with Pakistan politics and civil-military ties told ET.

The army is of the opinion that it did not face FATF sanctions when Gen (retired) Pervez Musharraf was president, though a number of terrorist groups operated openly, one of the persons cited earlier said. He added that the army also feels that earlier there was less global criticism of people’s disappearances and treatment of religious minorities.

Amid the uneasiness between the two, Bajwa is said to have put his weight behind the recent cabinet reshuffle, which is being seen as an attempt to shift power away from Khan towards nominees of the military.

The new Interior Minister, Brigadier Ijaz Shah, allegedly appointed at the behest of the army chief, was director of the Intelligence Bureau under Musharraf. Shah is alleged to have run terrorist operations in Jammu & Kashmir when he served in the Inter-Services Intelligence.

When Musharraf tried to nominate Ijaz Shah as High Commissioner to Australia, the Australian government had withheld the ambassadorial appointment. Shah was also accused of playing a key role in harbouring Osama bin Laden and was named by Benazir Bhutto as someone plotting to kill her.

Another controversial appointment is that of Nadeem Babar, who is not a member of parliament, one of 16 such persons in Khan’s 47-member cabinet.

Insiders say that Khan now wants to send a signal to the outside world that he is not the military’s puppet and should not be treated as one. ET has learnt that Khan has started snubbing Gen Bajwa in one form or the other, which is likely to worsen civilian government-military relations in the coming days.

When Khan went to inaugurate the Mohmand dam on May 2, the army chief requested him to accompany him on his military plane to Mohmand agency Imran apparently refused on the grounds that since he had multiple programmes, he would prefer to fly separately.

After the ceremony, Bajwa again requested Khan to accompany him on his plane to Peshawar to discuss important issues, but Imran again avoided it saying he had other engagements.

Recently, Bajwa also requested Imran Khan to offer some conciliatory gestures to the political opposition. However, PM Imran Khan criticised the opposition and refused to announce any conciliatory gestures to the opposition, drawing ire of Bajwa, insiders point out.

According to insiders, Bajwa, who is set to retire in November, wants an extension and he has sought the help of the US to put pressure on Khan for it. However, another rumour doing the rounds is that Bajwa is undecided about seeking an extension.

Bajwa is also thinking of going to Saudi Arabia to lead the Islamic Army command, following in the footsteps of Gen Raheel Sharif, a former Pakistan army chief, ET has learnt. The Saudi assignment is financially lucrative and might be a better way to transition out of the army’s command.

At the last Pak Army Corps Commanders meeting, the commanders asked Bajwa to make sure that the current set up (civil-military) is in working order before he retires, ET has learnt.

Source: Imran Khan's relations with mentor Gen Qamar Bajwa enter trouble zone

Am certain Imran Khan will either be executed or eliminated from Power like Nawaz Sharif, before end of his full tenure
 
The above news tells that in the next term Modi will try to befriend Immi but slowly. It will be amazing to see whom he invites or doesnt invite at all for the oath taking ceremony ( in case modi forms govt single handedly). But more than Pakistan Modi will be hunting the people of gathbandhan, the mouth pieces of Pakistani psywar.
 
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The above news tells that in the next term Modi will try to befriend Immi but slowly. It will be amazing to see whom he invites or doesnt invite at all for the oath taking ceremony ( in case modi forms govt single handedly). But more than Pakistan Modi will be hunting the people of gathbandhan, the mouth pieces of Pakistani psywar.
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From what we have understood about the way Modi operates, he is a man who gives the benefit of doubt to the other party by taking positive steps. But when he moves forward from his firm understanding and experiences of the other party, he does not go back to the start. Understanding the experience he has had with dealing with Pakistan, and the path he has traversed, he will now negotiate at the current level of escalation - which is an unconditional handover of the terrorist leaders Pakistan is sheltering in their country. Nothing less. Talks - what is now left to talk about. Only action needed, from their side, else from our side.
 
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