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Atleast 20 enemy guys down including one High Ranking officer and 2 F 16s too

NDS ( Afghan Intelligence) involved

Yesterday one Guy was saying that an Indian SF was martyred in Hostile territory during an operation , was embedded with friendly forces

If that is true , it means joint NDS and IA operation

Anyway these are all claims

But even after 7 days , Tarbela is buzzing

So something has happened


India does not embed SF teams with foreign forces. That is a western practice.
 
India does not embed SF teams with foreign forces. That is a western practice.

We do that all the time in Myanmar & Bhutan. But more in the form of "advisors" assisting in operational planning and execution and less in form of combat boots.

The recent military campaigns by Myanmar junta against anti India were coordinated by IA officers in advisory capacity attached to Myanmar units.

Same goes for the 2003 operations against ULFA in Bhutan. Militants who evaded capture or were captured then released post rehabilitation swear there were IA troops deep inside Bhutan for that op. I Know people whose militant relatives went missing after that op, never confirmed killed nor captured, who still haven't returned. MIA, a large number, presumed to be held in black sites by RAW/IB.

Similar story from erstwhile Northern Alliance. Indian units under RAW were embedded with NA units for coordinating logistics and offensive planning and especially for Casevac and support against the Taliban/Pashtun threat. We still maintain those contacts, militia to military to intelligence, though no longer known to be active.

So it definitely could be done. Has it been done? Not an insider, can't say.
 
We do that all the time in Myanmar & Bhutan. But more in the form of "advisors" assisting in operational planning and execution and less in form of combat boots.

The recent military campaigns by Myanmar junta against anti India were coordinated by IA officers in advisory capacity attached to Myanmar units.

Same goes for the 2003 operations against ULFA in Bhutan. Militants who evaded capture or were captured then released post rehabilitation swear there were IA troops deep inside Bhutan for that op. I Know people whose militant relatives went missing after that op, never confirmed killed nor captured, who still haven't returned. MIA, a large number, presumed to be held in black sites by RAW/IB.

Similar story from erstwhile Northern Alliance. Indian units under RAW were embedded with NA units for coordinating logistics and offensive planning and especially for Casevac and support against the Taliban/Pashtun threat. We still maintain those contacts, militia to military to intelligence, though no longer known to be active.

So it definitely could be done. Has it been done? Not an insider, can't say.

Indians embedded with foreign units were in advisory/support/logistics roles. Never in combat. Combat operations done by Indian Units are India driven and controlled.

My comment was in context of the alleged involvement of Indian SF units in the "Tarbella Incident". Take it with a Sack instead of a pinch of salt. That is not going to happen in the current environment.
 
Indians embedded with foreign units were in advisory/support/logistics roles. Never in combat. Combat operations done by Indian Units are India driven and controlled.

My comment was in context of the alleged involvement of Indian SF units in the "Tarbella Incident". Take it with a Sack instead of a pinch of salt. That is not going to happen in the current environment.
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There's a difference. You're referring to a multi lateral effort under the aegis of the UN. The thrust of the argument here is on covert missions with the SF of friendly countries against a common foe. For all you know those operations in Myanmar were conducted exclusively by Indian SF with a token presence of the Tatmadaw.
All I meant to say that there is no fixed rule that Indian SF won't participate with other countries in combat. These are case specific decisions, being said that I don't believe that we or NDS attacked Tarbela, why will you attack an area where enemies SF are trained and camped? There is no shortage of easier targets with more impact in Pakistan.

These theories on Twitter originates from one defence forum to other and suddenly we start using own created theories to give them credence because of confirmational bias, or because it feels good or because we are still not terms with reality that stand off is over and we didn't retaliated.
 
All I meant to say that there is no fixed rule that Indian SF won't participate with other countries in combat. These are case specific decisions, being said that I don't believe that we or NDS attacked Tarbela, why will you attack an area where enemies SF are trained and camped? There is no shortage of easier targets with more impact in Pakistan.

These theories on Twitter originates from one defence forum to other and suddenly we start using own created theories to give them credence because of confirmational bias, or because it feels good or because we are still not terms with reality that stand off is over and we didn't retaliated.


Agreed there is no specific rule. But that is the norm. Will it always be so? Balakot proved norms dont count for much.

I have huge doubts about Tarbela as well. Call me biased but I find it easier to digest a local clash between Pashtun and Punjabi soldiers easier to believe than an IAF airstrike which took out F-16s on the ground. There are too many twitter handles and too many forum members who have heard it from their friends in service. Lucky *censored*s - my friends dont tell me $h!t about anything and cheekily point me to twitter instead.
 
There 6 lakh trained soldiers of the PA. what do you think will happen if Pak is to suddenly collapse like USSR.

Similary to what happened to the Eastern and Southern territories of the Soviet Union. They had massive army deployments, nuclear weapons and other military infrastructure. The new Russia took the nuclear assets and the rest of military infrastructure was divided between the newly formed countries.

Breakup of Pakistan is the only long term solution for peace.
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Similary to what happened to the Eastern and Southern territories of the Soviet Union. They had massive army deployments, nuclear weapons and other military infrastructure. The new Russia took the nuclear assets and the rest of military infrastructure was divided between the newly formed countries.

Breakup of Pakistan is the only long term solution for peace.
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Haven't ever been active in the PDF hell hole for more than a few weeks. The issue of having a trained manpower, ideologically brainwashed is pertinent. The case of red army vs the PA is different. They'll need to be given gainful employment. otherwise the re run of Iraq and what eventually happend to Saddam's army will satre at us, similar situations do not always follow a defined trajectory.

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Modi govt. has requested Pakistan to open airspace for his plane for SCO Summit. -TV News

Question-

Why India don't use Chinese Airspace over Tibet for Central Asian route? Why our strong leader has to request time and again from Pakistan?
 
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