India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Falcon said:
They can sit 50 meters from IB. Its not war till they cross IB.
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Sir as reports say they are planning mass civilian march across LoC , so cna we treat this threat as violation of sovereignity and act of war and hold right to retaliate???
 
Falcon said:
They are in a so called dissuasive posture. The gameplan appears to be cause disruption once restrictions are eased on two fronts - on ground in Kashmir through civil unrest in 'publicly sensitive' zones like Srinagar, Anantnag as also to push in cadres/use regular troops to increase violence along LC wherein UNMOBGIP Mil observers will be shown Indian "aggression", all the while not doing anything stupid (read a spectacular attack within India) to give a cause to India to retaliate.
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They will try to recreate 1965 albeit in a low tone manner. Right now they are hampered by the fact there is very less communication with sleeper assets in valley. (There is a good reason why shah mahmood qureshi offered conditional talks which he said will only take place after they talk to so called separatists and lift the curfew. )
Instead of waiting for them we should make our move now and seize the advantage. More we wait for them to act more time they will get to plan the disturbances. Its better to have an incident on LOC that gets coverage than disturbances inside the state.
 
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jetray said:
They will try to recreate 1965 albeit in a low tone manner. Right now they are hampered by the fact there is very less communication with sleeper assets in valley. (There is a good reason why shah mahmood qureshi offered conditional talks which he said will only take place after they talk to so called separatists and lift the curfew. )
Instead of waiting for them we should make our move now and seize the advantage. More we wait for them to act more time they will get to plan the disturbances. Its better to have an incident on LOC that gets coverage than disturbances inside the state.
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We have to kill them daily , and merciless ly

Only then will they back off
 
Falcon said:
What makes you think that Pakistan is doing anything different than what we have anticipated?

Recall the gusto with which Pakistanis, when Indians would say Pakistan is isolated now, expressed their scepticism? What Pakistan faces today, is exactly the result of that scepticism. While in Pakistan people may cheer the faux pas made by Rahul Gandhi in his hurry to take on Modi over Kashmir, there remains a reason why Sehela Rashid, Ashok Swain and others have been left alone to peddle their nonsense non-stop. Nothing joins a nation as a cohesive force like a thriving opposition which is so inept in its opposition to a policy that even the common citizen is able to see through the farce that the opposition has put forth as argument.

We, that is India, have managed to consolidate our gains diplomatically, Chinese Dragon is tame - the bravado of what transpired in Dokalam by Chinese members and their Pakistani cheerleaders is just that. The incredulity of hard facts when told to these cheerleaders who have not even seen the area, let alone served (and here I am one who knows the area), is akin to the previous one. I encourage it by not opposing it. Nothing breaks the will of a nation during war than realizing that they have been lied to by their leadership. So, serves us that you expect a strong Chinese backing. Where as, fact of the matter is that Chinese will cut to minimize their losses and hang you out to dry. Their interests are always supreme.

You have attempted to use your higher faculties in the other forum, yet you get drowned out in the sea of stupidity. Let's see you use the above tidbits to make a better picture for yourself.
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The story of love affair between Pakistan and China is well known.diplomatic gain can't win you wars.i can say that we have received lots of hammering from India diplomatically but our guard is not down.indian 370 decision and talk of pakistani Kashmir made the China pakistan nexus much stronger.now we realized that against this type of aggression from India,a third party intervention is the only solution.indian decision on ladakh is not taken well by Chinese and now there is mutual interest.as I said earlier,we have learned our lesson after total humiliation on diplomatic front.i have already suggested Chinese pakistani nexus against India and it looks like that India made it possible.after a long time,there is a chance of war against India but this time,rules will be changed.kindly remember that it's India who changed rules during balakot.you destroyed constitution of India when you abrogated 370. We have seen enough.we can also do amazing things.we need Chinese support and I am sure support is there.i am sure that a limited war is a possibility.we have returned your pilot within a day,we are making kartarpur.we have seen indian response.there is no desire from indian side to talk.fair enough.

They thrashed me on PDF and they don't want me to talk it here.basically there is so much hate on both sides.
 
Arsalan123 said:
They thrashed me on PDF and they don't want me to talk it here.basically there is so much hate on both sides.
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That you are able to post here to some extent & Indians have been completely bollocked on other site is an indication of where we stand in terms of hate.

Having said that, reality is the paradigm change.
Earlier Pakistan used to be the unpredictable one, We Indians were made to believe you were mad nation who would use nuclear bombs at the drop of a hat. Having been exposed of that, your country has nothing to fall back on. Nothing to offer to us.
You used your biggest weapon and we called the bluff.
Any conventional war would be one sided, in India's favor. This is pure economics & nothing to do with military might. All India would need is hold off for 2 weeks and your country would have no money fight the war.

If you are depending on Chinese, good luck.
They will fight India to the last pakistani.
 
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Pothead said:
That you are able to post here to some extent & Indians have been completely bollocked on other site is an indication of where we stand in terms of hate.

Having said that, reality is the paradigm change.
Earlier Pakistan used to be the unpredictable one, We Indians were made to believe you were mad nation who would use nuclear bombs at the drop of a hat. Having been exposed of that, your country has nothing to fall back on. Nothing to offer to us.
You used your biggest weapon and we called the bluff.
Any conventional war would be one sided, in India's favor. This is pure economics & nothing to do with military might. All India would need is hold off for 2 weeks and your country would have no money fight the war.

If you are depending on Chinese, good luck.
They will fight India to the last pakistani.
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As far as economy is concerned,you are right.nuclear bluff is still there.we released your pilot.you promised to stop aggression.a two front war and economic help is all we want.for the first time,you believe in your leaders.for the first time, pakistan believes that it can defeat india.we can,with the help of china.both China and pakistan have seen enough.when China asked you about ladakh,you said internal matter.when we asked you about Kashmir,you said internal matter.seen enough of internal matters.nobody will interfere.it will be between us and you.
 
Arsalan123 said:
As far as economy is concerned,you are right.nuclear bluff is still there.we released your pilot.you promised to stop aggression.a two front war and economic help is all we want.for the first time,you believe in your leaders.for the first time, pakistan believes that it can defeat india.we can,with the help of china.both China and pakistan have seen enough.when China asked you about ladakh,you said internal matter.when we asked you about Kashmir,you said internal matter.seen enough of internal matters.nobody will interfere.it will be between us and you.
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U cant do shit lol , do u think the Chinese will sabotage 75-100 billion dollar trade and 1.4 billion market for a failed state like Pakistan???lol
 
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Arsalan123 said:
As far as economy is concerned,you are right.nuclear bluff is still there.we released your pilot.you promised to stop aggression.a two front war and economic help is all we want.for the first time,you believe in your leaders.for the first time, pakistan believes that it can defeat india.we can,with the help of china.both China and pakistan have seen enough.when China asked you about ladakh,you said internal matter.when we asked you about Kashmir,you said internal matter.seen enough of internal matters.nobody will interfere.it will be between us and you.
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You are a naive if you think China is realistic about her claim on Ladakkh. To be honest, China has already sold you to India, there are talks with China to expedite LAC dispute resolution and we may have a treaty soon that India will leave Aksai Chin Claim and China would let go AP. Tibet will rest with China.

No one will go for war for religious nuts.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
The story of love affair between Pakistan and China is well known.diplomatic gain can't win you wars.i can say that we have received lots of hammering from India diplomatically but our guard is not down.indian 370 decision and talk of pakistani Kashmir made the China pakistan nexus much stronger.now we realized that against this type of aggression from India,a third party intervention is the only solution.indian decision on ladakh is not taken well by Chinese and now there is mutual interest.as I said earlier,we have learned our lesson after total humiliation on diplomatic front.i have already suggested Chinese pakistani nexus against India and it looks like that India made it possible.after a long time,there is a chance of war against India but this time,rules will be changed.kindly remember that it's India who changed rules during balakot.you destroyed constitution of India when you abrogated 370. We have seen enough.we can also do amazing things.we need Chinese support and I am sure support is there.i am sure that a limited war is a possibility.we have returned your pilot within a day,we are making kartarpur.we have seen indian response.there is no desire from indian side to talk.fair enough.

They thrashed me on PDF and they don't want me to talk it here.basically there is so much hate on both sides.
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China is not going to intervene because it will force US too to jump into the conflict. That means world war 3. Reality is we have made deal with China. They will encourage you to take first step by saying that they will intervene and ones you do that they will
back - off just like they did in 1971. Maybe you have not given much attention to the MEA S.Jaishankar's visit to China.
 
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