India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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Let me put it bluntly - there is no 'Love Affair'. Merely, a transient convergence of interests.
Another fallacy and misconception. I am glad that you have stated this one here. The more this perception gains traction in Pakistan citizenry and leadership, better it is.
Diplomatic 'gains' can severely cripple the capability of the adversary in being able to sustain a military campaign.
Let me assure you, the hammering that you are receiving militarily at LC, is much more severe. Reportedly PM IK Niazi has said Pakistan will never use nuclear warheads first today. If true, guess, just guess, why has he said it publicly today?
And always remember, I have said oft - Pakistan is in no position to use it's nuclear weapons. Ever. Since, 2015.
I like Pakistani Kashmir usage. Shows the inherent dissonance to every noob over Pakistani intents for Kashmir. Then they wonder why I often say Kashmiri would ideally want to be independent but pragmatically stays with India (the large overwhelming majority)
Again, a serious miscalculation. Had that been the case, Pakistani Army would have retaliated effectively to our 'provocations' and would have launched offensives along LC to force India to expand war. Did not happen, won't happen (in all probability)
On the contrary, China has also repetitively said that both should sit and talk. We are willing to talk once Pakistan stops terror finance and support. And then we will talk about PoJ&K.
China will always look to cut costs. That is the first and most important aspect in management. And the costs increase if China was to follow your suggested route. Instead, it can always work with India to safeguard it's interests in Gilgit-Baltistan by proposing a joint development of area, if India indeed decides to act decisively to recover the territories. Any Pakistani fantasies of 'last man to fight on' will be just that. Any disruption in the area again increases costs for China.
Never EVER break the rules of business. And China is China Inc.
Incorrect.
Very sensible, kuch karna hai to karo faltu mai articles mai time kharab mat karo, Indian FM ko bahut kaam hai, Pakistani PM ki tarha khali nhi hai.
Heard they are going to do a DANDI MARCH inspired by Gandhi since they can't fight with India.
Pak army and government are readying aam Abduls to march towards LoC to cross LOC in a hope that Indian army fires at them and in that chaos push a few hundred terrorists inside J&K. Also if there are huge casualties in case of Indian army fire they hope to take it to UN and internationalize J&K issue....
Here point is what kind of mentality and regime they have which is ready to endanger and sacrifice it's own population...
No businessman will throw good money behind a failed/failing investment
Let me assure you, the hammering that you are receiving militarily at LC, is much more severe. Reportedly PM IK Niazi has said Pakistan will never use nuclear warheads first today. If true, guess, just guess, why has he said it publicly today?
And always remember, I have said oft - Pakistan is in no position to use it's nuclear weapons. Ever. Since, 2015.
What changed in 2015 that couldn't be done before?
And do you really think that they will allow you to annex our Kashmir so that their only alternative to reach Arabian icean will get blocked by India? Pakistan accepted cpec proposal after a careful thought.they will always try to defend our kashmir.they know the situation in South China sea.american Navy and allies can block access to South China Sea for china.only access will be pakistani Kashmir so let me say, it's a great game.
65 and 71 both are totally different stories.do you really think that China will abandon cpec and their desire to reach Arabian ocean using pakistan? One mea visit will not shatter Chinese dreams.cpec is guarantee of safety of our Kashmir and why no joint military operation? India is a common enemy and doklam is not an old incident.it is still fresh.
Israel,America and France don't share border with India.common enemies share border with India so better protect yourself than talking about nato.reinforcement takes time xd.
Your decisions are completely unexpected specially Kashmir decision so why not two front war? Why you guys always omit this option? What if India see two front war? Can you win? Pakistan needs a clear strategy and only strategy is two front war.china can do anything for pakistani Kashmir because it's the only alternative to reach Arabian ocean.do you really think that they will allow you to annex our Kashmir and choke their path to Arabian ocean? This is not going to happen.A few facts to remember for Pakistan:
1. A two front war? My foot. It won't ever be. As soon as China steps in there will be Japan, US, and many more stepping in from Chinese western side. So it will be many front war for China which they will definitely avoid getting into.
2. There's a old Hindi saying "Baap bada Na Bhaiya Sabse Bada Rupaiya" economy drives the relationship in real world not emotions. As said above no one would like to lose 75 billion dollars market to support a beggar of a country.
3. China respects strength and as soon as it sees a strong oppenent it settles all disputes including seeking settlement of border issues. So all border issues including Ladakh will be settled after some give and take. Good for us.
4. For the first time in history Pakistan is at their weakest point economically, diplomatically and also militarily. Fact is there is no willpower and no strength left in Pakistan and Pakistan army to take on India. That's why eunuchs gernails of Pak army are doing peace marches, 30 mins standing instead of fighting. Pakistanis have now adopted GANDHIGIRI to fight with India...
5. Pak army is sending cannon fodder soldiers and terrorists which are being culled on daily basis at LOC and in the valley. So much so that akhnoor dagger and now Haji Pir pass is abandoned by Pak army....☺☺
Have fun reading facts...
I have great respect for you because of your technical knowledge.do you really think that China will allow India to annex pakistani Kashmir and choke their only alternative to reach Arabian ocean? Do you think they are fools to invest money in cpec and most importantly in pakistan.do you think that China will trust India and allow you to annex our Kashmir? They know the situation of South China Sea.their trade is their survival.they can do anything to save their only alternative route to Arabian ocean.i am happy that almost all members believes that two front war is impossibility just like 370 was impossible in our dreams.Let me put it bluntly - there is no 'Love Affair'. Merely, a transient convergence of interests.
Another fallacy and misconception. I am glad that you have stated this one here. The more this perception gains traction in Pakistan citizenry and leadership, better it is.
Diplomatic 'gains' can severely cripple the capability of the adversary in being able to sustain a military campaign.
Let me assure you, the hammering that you are receiving militarily at LC, is much more severe. Reportedly PM IK Niazi has said Pakistan will never use nuclear warheads first today. If true, guess, just guess, why has he said it publicly today?
And always remember, I have said oft - Pakistan is in no position to use it's nuclear weapons. Ever. Since, 2015.
I like Pakistani Kashmir usage. Shows the inherent dissonance to every noob over Pakistani intents for Kashmir. Then they wonder why I often say Kashmiri would ideally want to be independent but pragmatically stays with India (the large overwhelming majority)
Again, a serious miscalculation. Had that been the case, Pakistani Army would have retaliated effectively to our 'provocations' and would have launched offensives along LC to force India to expand war. Did not happen, won't happen (in all probability)
On the contrary, China has also repetitively said that both should sit and talk. We are willing to talk once Pakistan stops terror finance and support. And then we will talk about PoJ&K.
China will always look to cut costs. That is the first and most important aspect in management. And the costs increase if China was to follow your suggested route. Instead, it can always work with India to safeguard it's interests in Gilgit-Baltistan by proposing a joint development of area, if India indeed decides to act decisively to recover the territories. Any Pakistani fantasies of 'last man to fight on' will be just that. Any disruption in the area again increases costs for China.
Never EVER break the rules of business. And China is China Inc.
Incorrect.
What if we give them assurances that their investments and interests will not be harmed.
China is just using you , you are giving too much importance to state like Pakistan
So according to you US can block whole south China sea, but cannot choke Gwadar and Karachi !!
Depends on what you mean by 2 front war.
Are we talking about China attacking us using missiles?
Or
is it boots on the ground as well as using AF?
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What would be the objectives for China while attacking us? Claim AP? Help You? What is the aim for Chinese?
If China is sending troops into India, that would be a Himalayan blunder, they would get slaughtered.
Any missile attack on India would be reciprocated.
We Indians and Pakistanis are used to losing soldiers and people in huge numbers. Chinese are not used to it, have not seen actual skirmish where lives were lost in decades. Want to analyze what Chinese would do when body bags start arriving in hundreds?
And then there is a small matter of how India can virtually STOP Chinese economy to stand still by laying siege at Andaman.
Simply put, it's not a war China can win as Aggressor, it does not have the means to defeat an enemy as vast as India. There is a reason why Chinese went back in 62 when they had the upper hand.
Can Chinese open a second front to Help Pakistanis, Oh heck they might but then India might decide it wants to open a Naval front against China. See where this is going...
CPEC loss would be huge for Chinese,
What would be colossal loss is forever losing a market as big as India and losing it's testicles at Andaman.
What makes you think we care what Chinese want?
It's not like they care a lot about what we want!
the territory we are looking to take back is our territory, it's a territory China has no legal claim to.
It's similar to Taiwan for China. Imagine if India postured that it would attack China from Tibet if Chinese ever tried to take back Taiwan.
Ridiculous, isn't it?
We have no reason to assuage China in any form.
Nukes? Where I mentioned nukes? I am not a fan of nuclear war.i think you mistaken someone else comment as my comment. Low caste Hindu? So you are brahmin.good. I am not hindu and you said above that I am low caste Hindu. I am Muslim bro.there is no caste system in Muslims.black and fair are equal.i know why you called me low caste hindu.i don't want to talk about religion here and I know you are interested in history.i have seen your posts on astronomical things.i am also interested in a particular topic.i think all Hindus are also equal.you shouldn't say anyone low caste Hindu even if he is indian.we are educated people and you have flown jets.you can't say things like that.this low caste comment can only divide your country.
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