India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[Pothead]

I may be wrong but recent high level visits and recent trainings with China giving me hints about a real two front strategy.i hope it is true.plan have all the logistic support at Karachi and gwadar.their nuclear submarines frequently visits our ports.they have vessels in indian ocean on almost daily basis.

Unless I am mistaken, these are all tracked.
Nuclear submarines are useless unless China is willing to go all in against India. They are expensive and they are not going to risk their submarines to fire regular missiles.

Btw, there is a reason why India has weaponized Brahmos in multiple variations. Chinese Navy is not coming to help you.
The logistical challenges are a suicide for Chinese Navy.

 

[Arsalan123]

Unless I am mistaken, these are all tracked.
Nuclear submarines are useless unless China is willing to go all in against India. They are expensive and they are not going to risk their submarines to fire regular missiles.

Btw, there is a reason why India has weaponized Brahmos in multiple variations. Chinese Navy is not coming to help you.
The logistical challenges are a suicide for Chinese Navy.

We have learned lots of lessons from Karachi port blockade.how much oil India can store? A covert war is also a possibility.anyway let's hope for better relations.

 

[Pothead]

Sir your government is planning attack on our kashmir.both China and pakistan wants end of all problems.it is clear to me that India don't want China in any conflict against pakistan.

Of course we won't want China opening a second front.

Having said that, do you seriously think China wants to go to war with India on Kashmir, a land they have no claims on.

Just a cost benefit analysis from Chinese POV.
In one stroke they will lose 70 billion dollar trade surplus, make permanent enemy of a nation that control lot of trade waters and it would mean India opening embassies in Taiwan and arming them to hilt.

 

[Pothead]

We have learned lots of lessons from Karachi port blockade.how much oil India can store? A covert war is also a possibility.anyway let's hope for better relations.

I doubt better relations is possible at all.
You want our kashmir
and we want Kashmir which you occupied.

Neither side will budge, more importantly neither side can afford to budge.

Let me know what solution is there....practically?

 

[Ashutosh]

Sir your government is planning attack on our kashmir.both China and pakistan wants end of all problems.it is clear to me that India don't want China in any conflict against pakistan.

Since you guys are banking so much on China... Why not just handover your country to them? Let China fight Pakistan's war while Pakistan Army makes money through Cement Plant, Corner plot sale and corn flakes.

Tumhari fauj hai kyun ? Potato Chips bechne ke liye ?

China will do this, China will do that... agreed means Pakitan has given up on Pakitani fauj ?? You have been hearing, thumping & dry humping every thing that could would get you Kashmir... "Kashmir Banega Pakistan" since you were born..... now you are saying China will not let us do any thing ? 70 saal se Pakitan Budget Choos kar Pakistan Army kya aaj hijdon se bhar gayi hai ??

 

[Sandeep0159]

I may be wrong but recent high level visits and recent trainings with China giving me hints about a real two front strategy.i hope it is true.plan have all the logistic support at Karachi and gwadar.their nuclear submarines frequently visits our ports.they have vessels in indian ocean on almost daily basis.

Not trying to disappoint u, but the Arabian is the home turf of our Western fleet. A fleet which the PLAN from the coasts of their so called middle kingdom wouldn't dare to face.

SCS is their turf, we agree. But, not the 'Indian' Ocean which literally is our backyard. They will be squatted if we are provoked, and how can they replenish their armada in Karachi/Gwadar when u urselves run out of fuel in case we choke the gulf straits?

 

[Pothead]

Not trying to disappoint u, but the Arabian is the home turf of our Western fleet. A fleet which the PLAN from the coasts of their so called middle kingdom wouldn't dare to face.

SCS is their own turf, we agree. But, not the 'Indian' Ocean which literally is our backyard. They will be squatted if we are provoked, and how can they replenish their armada in Karachi/Gwadar when u urselves run out of fuel in case we choke the gulf straits?

People tend to underestimate logistics,
The reason why USA is at mercy of Pakistan is the logistics need that face every day.

For Chinese navy to fight in our waters.....LOL, Indian Navy could not ask for a more friendly theater to fight, we know the waters & we can resupply a million times faster than Chinese navy ever can.

Imagine we sink a Chinese Armada and take few hundreds of them as POW, I doubt Xi would survive the hour.

 

[Sandeep0159]

it is clear to me that India don't want China in any conflict against pakistan.

Even China thinks they better not have a conflict with India. It was always u ppl who are daydreaming that Chinese are dependent on CPEC with Pak for survival and they'll join u in case of conflict with us.
Two Front war is a possibility for us to face, not a necessity for Chinese to enforce. We are the torchbearers of Asian Century, do u think we would choose to endanger our shared destiny due to some stupid antics of a failed state run by an army gone rogue called Pakistan?

 

[Janardan Shukla]

Hahahaha.do you trust China? Do China trust India?

No two countries trust each other. In international diplomacy it is just interests which guide the policies not trust.
By the way we have many notables in our country which have very strong relationship with Chinese establishment stronger than your's and Chinese. And China do trust them. And yes MEA S Jaishankar is one of them

 

[Deathstar]

The Pakistani here banking on China fails to realise that the Chinese are businessmen ,they will sell Pakistan for peanuts lol. Whats CPEC investment anyways?30 billion till now?where are the billions promised by China to Pakistan through Ceepec lol

 

[Shaktimaan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1168582558050734080

baba is saying pkmkb

 

[Paro]

@Arsalan123 Falcon has mentioned since 2015 India's narrative has shifted to POK. So start digging why India is pushing for free trade agreements with Russia and especially Tajikistan lately since last 2 years. Connect the dots on how many vvip's of the GOI have visited Tajikistan in the past 2 years. Check how the imports have drastically increased from Tajikistan lately.
https://mea.gov.in/Portal/ForeignRelation/Bilateral_Brief_India_Tajik_dec_2018.pdf
https://www.vifindia.org/sites/default/files/India-Tajikistan-Relations_5.pdf

To fully access the wakhan corridor India needs to pass through a small territory held by Tajikistan.

 

[vstol Jockey]

And do you really think that they will allow you to annex our Kashmir so that their only alternative to reach Arabian icean will get blocked by India? Pakistan accepted cpec proposal after a careful thought.they will always try to defend our kashmir.they know the situation in South China sea.american Navy and allies can block access to South China Sea for china.only access will be pakistani Kashmir so let me say, it's a great game.

You are a really funny man. Do you know how manytimes has China requested India to join CPEC and route it thru India? The same alignment can be easily adopted to pass thru India. But we will not sell our daughters and land to them. Chinese beat you up in Pakistan. They get beaten in India.

 

[vstol Jockey]

I am Muslim bro.there is no caste system in Muslims.black and fair are equal.i know why you called me low caste hindu.i don't want to talk about religion here and I know you are interested in history.i have seen your posts on astronomical things.i am also interested in a particular topic.i think all Hindus are also equal.you shouldn't say anyone low caste Hindu even if he is indian.we are educated people and you have flown jets.you can't say things like that.this low caste comment can only divide your country.

Hindus do not have caste system but what we have is a varna system based on the type of job a person does. And everyone is free to move up or down this system. The caste system was enforced by the muslim invaders to divide our society and the most gulliable of them were the people on the lower side of the social system. They converted to islam to get so called equility and guess what, Even islam has this system of castes. Don't fool yourself by statingb that Islam has no caste system. We all know what a big lie it is.

 

[Golden_Rule]

China will do this, China will do that... agreed means Pakitan has given up on Pakitani fauj ?? You have been hearing, thumping & dry humping every thing that could would get you Kashmir... "Kashmir Banega Pakistan" since you were born..... now you are saying China will not let us do any thing ? 70 saal se Pakitan Budget Choos kar Pakistan Army kya aaj hijdon se bhar gayi hai ??

Ab bolte hain "Pakistan banega China"

 

[Guynextdoor]

And do you really think that they will allow you to annex our Kashmir so that their only alternative to reach Arabian icean will get blocked by India? Pakistan accepted cpec proposal after a careful thought.they will always try to defend our kashmir.they know the situation in South China sea.american Navy and allies can block access to South China Sea for china.only access will be pakistani Kashmir so let me say, it's a great game.

Kashmir borders the Himalayas not arabian ocean.

 

[randomradio]

I have great respect for you because of your technical knowledge.do you really think that China will allow India to annex pakistani Kashmir and choke their only alternative to reach Arabian ocean? Do you think they are fools to invest money in cpec and most importantly in pakistan.do you think that China will trust India and allow you to annex our Kashmir? They know the situation of South China Sea.their trade is their survival.they can do anything to save their only alternative route to Arabian ocean.i am happy that almost all members believes that two front war is impossibility just like 370 was impossible in our dreams.

China's security is not as threatened if India cuts China off from the Arabian Sea as has been made out to believe. They have their own oil supplies and they get quite a lot from Russia as well. And with the Chinese need for all things electric, oil consumption will reduce to barely anything in the long term. So it's a problem for them only in the short term and mid term. The fact is they can get even better access to oil through Central Asia and Iran. CPEC is merely one of many routes into the Indian Ocean.

Also, the bigger threat to China is the USN in their own waters. The US can cut China off from water completely. So India blocking access is a piddly problem for the Chinese.

The reason why two-front war is very, very unlikely is because there is nothing to be achieved by the Chinese by fighting India since it won't help Pakistan anyway. Any Sino-Indian war is going to be a bigger version of Kargil War. And since there is possibility of war going nuclear between India and Pakistan, why will the Chinese risk a nuclear war over nothing?

Pakistan overestimates its importance to the Chinese. If India decides to take POJK, the Chinese are only going to pay lip service to Pakistan.

 

[Arvind]

And do you really think that they will allow you to annex our Kashmir so that their only alternative to reach Arabian icean will get blocked by India? Pakistan accepted cpec proposal after a careful thought.they will always try to defend our kashmir.they know the situation in South China sea.american Navy and allies can block access to South China Sea for china.only access will be pakistani Kashmir so let me say, it's a great game.

And where did I said anything about PoK?

Even if it is the case, what if we do sign similar deal with China as you have? Why would they get into a war to hurt their economy when there interests are ensured?

 

[ranadd]

Israel,America and France don't share border with India.common enemies share border with India so better protect yourself than talking about nato.reinforcement takes time xd.

Fortunately, you are clueless on how skirmishes work. Like the rest of your lot.

Few hints: Himalayas, South Indian Peninsula, Andamans.

China will only fight a battle it can win. For a 60B USD investment? I honestly hope your army is as stupid as you.

 

[Hellfire]

Heard they are going to do a DANDI MARCH inspired by Gandhi since they can't fight with India.
Pak army and government are readying aam Abduls to march towards LoC to cross LOC in a hope that Indian army fires at them and in that chaos push a few hundred terrorists inside J&K. Also if there are huge casualties in case of Indian army fire they hope to take it to UN and internationalize J&K issue....
Here point is what kind of mentality and regime they have which is ready to endanger and sacrifice it's own population...

This is something that I have raised on twitter .... what we have to now, as a nation, decide on, is what is to be done in such an eventuality. Be it along LC or even in say Srinagar. What happens when a large frenzied crowd moves towards our troops with an intent which, in a setting of a large mob, is anything but harmless 'democratic & peaceful' demonstration, and our troops follow the Rules of Engagement, leading to casualties amongst the civilians here. Something to munch over.