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What makes you think we care what Chinese want?
It's not like they care a lot about what we want!

the territory we are looking to take back is our territory, it's a territory China has no legal claim to.
It's similar to Taiwan for China. Imagine if India postured that it would attack China from Tibet if Chinese ever tried to take back Taiwan.
Ridiculous, isn't it?

We have no reason to assuage China in any form.
China always said that Kashmir a disputed territory.it never said that kashmir is integral part of india.this is your logic.nobody outside India accepts it.china will never allow destruction of cpec.i mean come on,they want Arabian ocean at any cost.
 
China always said that Kashmir a disputed territory.it never said that kashmir is integral part of india.this is your logic.nobody outside India accepts it.china will never allow destruction of cpec.i mean come on,they want Arabian ocean at any cost.

It's disputed between India and Pakistan, what is China's claim on these lands?

Chinese can "want" the sun and the moon but they are not getting it.
Heck, you are yet to tell me what China would do to help you?

Put boots on ground?
Missile attacks?
Air strikes?

What kind of help would China give without India laying siege at Andamans?
 
Depends on what you mean by 2 front war.

Are we talking about China attacking us using missiles?
Or
is it boots on the ground as well as using AF?
AND
What would be the objectives for China while attacking us? Claim AP? Help You? What is the aim for Chinese?

If China is sending troops into India, that would be a Himalayan blunder, they would get slaughtered.
Any missile attack on India would be reciprocated.
We Indians and Pakistanis are used to losing soldiers and people in huge numbers. Chinese are not used to it, have not seen actual skirmish where lives were lost in decades. Want to analyze what Chinese would do when body bags start arriving in hundreds?
And then there is a small matter of how India can virtually STOP Chinese economy to stand still by laying siege at Andaman.

Simply put, it's not a war China can win as Aggressor, it does not have the means to defeat an enemy as vast as India. There is a reason why Chinese went back in 62 when they had the upper hand.

Can Chinese open a second front to Help Pakistanis, Oh heck they might but then India might decide it wants to open a Naval front against China. See where this is going...

CPEC loss would be huge for Chinese,
What would be colossal loss is forever losing a market as big as India and losing it's testicles at Andaman.
Two front simply means that they will not allow you to enter in our kashmir.they aren't fools.this project cpec is their investment and they want Arabian ocean.do you think they will trust you? You are Ally of America.thet know if you annex our Kashmir,you will block their path and end of cpec.if you attack our Kashmir,we attack your kashmir.this will be two front war and I want this strategy.
 
65 and 71 both are totally different stories.do you really think that China will abandon cpec and their desire to reach Arabian ocean using pakistan? One mea visit will not shatter Chinese dreams.cpec is guarantee of safety of our Kashmir and why no joint military operation? India is a common enemy and doklam is not an old incident.it is still fresh.
Haha CPEC is included in this deal. Doklam has shown that neither side wants to fight a war with each other because it will destroy the ambitions of both powers. Even if we exclude all these factors still an overt Chinese involvement means world war 3 which again China will never risk.
 
Two front simply means that they will not allow you to enter in our kashmir.they aren't fools.this project cpec is their investment and they want Arabian ocean.do you think they will trust you? You are Ally of America.thet know if you annex our Kashmir,you will block their path and end of cpec.if you attack our Kashmir,we attack your kashmir.this will be two front war and I want this strategy.

How can they NOT ALLOW us when we are already there?!!!

It's like Indians saying we won't allow China in Tibet. We are already there.
Chinese can as much stop India from entering POK as much USA can stop Pakistanis to stop entering our Kashmir.

I have no idea how and what Chinese can do to stop us from entering POK,
any ideas on how they would achieve it?
 
It's disputed between India and Pakistan, what is China's claim on these lands?

Chinese can "want" the sun and the moon but they are not getting it.
Heck, you are yet to tell me what China would do to help you?

Put boots on ground?
Missile attacks?
Air strikes?

What kind of help would China give without India laying siege at Andamans?
It depends on you.i believe you will go for conventional war so boots on ground is high probability and this is what every pakistani wants.pakistan wants third party intervention.we know you are planning attack that's why dca operations are ongoing.
 
It depends on you.i believe you will go for conventional war so boots on ground is high probability and this is what every pakistani wants.pakistan wants third party intervention.we know you are planning attack that's why dca operations are ongoing.

Are you saying Chinese soldiers would fight along side your soldiers in Kashmir against India?

I am confused,
You are not being specific of what kind of help Chinese can provide?

And you are also not mentioning why India won't lay siege at Andamans in case Chinese side with you and start fighting us..
 
How can they NOT ALLOW us when we are already there?!!!

It's like Indians saying we won't allow China in Tibet. We are already there.
Chinese can as much stop India from entering POK as much USA can stop Pakistanis to stop entering our Kashmir.

I have no idea how and what Chinese can do to stop us from entering POK,
any ideas on how they would achieve it?
Do you watch ndtv? There are lots of previous reports about Chinese soldiers presence in our Kashmir.a such reports can't be false.you recently attacked Chinese engineers in neelum valley.do you think chinese silence is all about selling cpec to India? They will never allow it.
 
Are you saying Chinese soldiers would fight along side your soldiers in Kashmir against India?

I am confused,
You are not being specific of what kind of help Chinese can provide?

And you are also not mentioning why India won't lay siege at Andamans in case Chinese side with you and start fighting us..
A siege at Andaman against Chinese Navy? They have railgun installed on their destroyers.
 
Do you watch ndtv? There are lots of previous reports about Chinese soldiers presence in our Kashmir.a such reports can't be false.you recently attacked Chinese engineers in neelum valley.do you think chinese silence is all about selling cpec to India? They will never allow it.

They might be there, just like Indians would be in a lot places like Taiwan.

What has presence got to do with territorial claims?
I believe you are being wishfully naive & are sidestepping when asked the kind of help Chinese can provide..
 
A siege at Andaman against Chinese Navy? They have railgun installed on their destroyers.

They can have anything but we will still lay a seige,
Do you seriously think Indian navy is a walkover?
We will take hits but will give Chinese a bloody nose. That my friend is advantage of playing defense.

And it won't be just their military ships that would be stopped, it would be all ships, including commercial that would be stopped, hope you are getting the picture.

Again, do you think Chinese are going to risk their future for CPEC...thats a question you need to ponder on.
 
They might be there, just like Indians would be in a lot places like Taiwan.

What has presence got to do with territorial claims?
I believe you are being wishfully naive & are sidestepping when asked the kind of help Chinese can provide..
Let me tell you one thing clearly.they just can't afford our Kashmir in your hands.they don't want themselves in a bargaining position with India.their only solution to reach Arabian ocean is pakistan.yes why not Chinese soldiers with pakistani soldiers? Why it's impossible? See we have opened our eyes.pakistan and China are already close friends and I hope they will formulate a similar strategy and obviously India don't want two front war in any scenario which is indian weakness.
 
Let me tell you one thing clearly.they just can't afford our Kashmir in your hands.they don't want themselves in a bargaining position with India.their only solution to reach Arabian ocean is pakistan.yes why not Chinese soldiers with pakistani soldiers? Why it's impossible? See we have opened our eyes.pakistan and China are already close friends and I hope they will formulate a similar strategy and obviously India don't want two front war in any scenario which is indian weakness.

You are not getting the point.

I understand how China can not afford to lose CPEC.

Point is, what exactly can China do about it?
You are being vague and not specific in what China can do to help you.

There is a reason why USA has given you billions - Logistics to fight in AFG.
For China to help you, their biggest challenge will be logistics.
Be it at Indian border or at Andamans, they have to literally travel thousands of miles, thats an astronomical level of logistics needed.
India would be fighting at home, not much would be needed in terms of logistics.
 
They can have anything but we will still lay a seige,
Do you seriously think Indian navy is a walkover?
We will take hits but will give Chinese a bloody nose. That my friend is advantage of playing defense.

And it won't be just their military ships that would be stopped, it would be all ships, including commercial that would be stopped, hope you are getting the picture.

Again, do you think Chinese are going to risk their future for CPEC...thats a question you need to ponder on.
This cpec plan existed in Chinese minds.they implemented it after they realized the intention of americans.do you think that they will allow America to block their path in South China Sea and India to black Arabian ocean route through pakistan? Only a mad would allow India to annex pakistani Kashmir.

Siege at Andaman can be challenged with the siege near strait of Hormuz.plan already have presence near gwadar.do you really think that Iran will allow India to use it's warships against china? China and Iran are good friends but Pakistan can allow China to use it's port in order to block oil supply to india.situation at Andaman can easily be solved through negotiation but I don't think that India can stop china at andaman.china already have presence in indian ocean.
 
You are not getting the point.

I understand how China can not afford to lose CPEC.

Point is, what exactly can China do about it?
You are being vague and not specific in what China can do to help you.

There is a reason why USA has given you billions - Logistics to fight in AFG.
For China to help you, their biggest challenge will be logistics.
Be it at Indian border or at Andamans, they have to literally travel thousands of miles, thats an astronomical level of logistics needed.
India would be fighting at home, not much would be needed in terms of logistics.
Two front war is simply multiple attacks on indian Kashmir and it will be response.in order to initiate two front war,India should attack pakistani kashmir.this will anger China surely and a strategy is needed.i hope there is strategy.with two front,I simply mean multiple attacks on Kashmir by playing and Pak army.i agree that logistics is a problem for China but not a problem at gwadar.
 
This cpec plan existed in Chinese minds.they implemented it after they realized the intention of americans.do you think that they will allow America to block their path in South China Sea and India to black Arabian ocean route through pakistan? Only a mad would allow India to annex pakistani Kashmir.

Siege at Andaman can be challenged with the siege near strait of Hormuz.plan already have presence near gwadar.do you really think that Iran will allow India to use it's warships against china? China and Iran are good friends but Pakistan can allow China to use it's port in order to block oil supply to india.situation at Andaman can easily be solved through negotiation but I don't think that India can stop china at andaman.china already have presence in indian ocean.

You mean Chinese has more naval presence in Arabian sea than India? :D

Sir Ji, you are seriously over-estimating Chinese.

Again, it all comes down to logistics, in Indian Ocean, Indian logistics challenge would be much simpler than the logistic challenges Chinese would face.

Sorry but I don't see Chinese helping you with boots on ground, Diplomatic and material support - definitely. but boots on ground, forget it. Not that it's not intriguing but Chinese are at best a bunch of cowards, have not seen a skirmish in decades.
More over their leadership knows any minor loss in war would mean the end of CCP as we know it.
 
Two front war is simply multiple attacks on indian Kashmir and it will be response.in order to initiate two front war,India should attack pakistani kashmir.this will anger China surely and a strategy is needed.i hope there is strategy.with two front,I simply mean multiple attacks on Kashmir by playing and Pak army.i agree that logistics is a problem for China but not a problem at gwadar.

2 front war means,
India attacks POK, PA engages India on east and China will open a SECOND FRONT, like in AP or Ladakh or Engage Navy in Bay Of Bengal.

What you are saying though is that China will join PA to help fight India aggression in Kashmir....
interesting,
but then why India care if China is helping you defend in Kashmir?

Unless Chinese open a SECOND FRONT, all this means is a single front where PA + China is defending against India.
 
You mean Chinese has more naval presence in Arabian sea than India? :D

Sir Ji, you are seriously over-estimating Chinese.

Again, it all comes down to logistics, in Indian Ocean, Indian logistics challenge would be much simpler than the logistic challenges Chinese would face.

Sorry but I don't see Chinese helping you with boots on ground, Diplomatic and material support - definitely. but boots on ground, forget it. Not that it's not intriguing but Chinese are at best a bunch of cowards, have not seen a skirmish in decades.
More over their leadership knows any minor loss in war would mean the end of CCP as we know it.
I may be wrong but recent high level visits and recent trainings with China giving me hints about a real two front strategy.i hope it is true.plan have all the logistic support at Karachi and gwadar.their nuclear submarines frequently visits our ports.they have vessels in indian ocean on almost daily basis.
 
2 front war means,
India attacks POK, PA engages India on east and China will open a SECOND FRONT, like in AP or Ladakh or Engage Navy in Bay Of Bengal.

What you are saying though is that China will join PA to help fight India aggression in Kashmir....
interesting,
but then why India care if China is helping you defend in Kashmir?

Unless Chinese open a SECOND FRONT, all this means is a single front where PA + China is defending against India.
Sir your government is planning attack on our kashmir.both China and pakistan wants end of all problems.it is clear to me that India don't want China in any conflict against pakistan.
 
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