India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[Hellfire]

Heard they are going to do a DANDI MARCH inspired by Gandhi since they can't fight with India.
Pak army and government are readying aam Abduls to march towards LoC to cross LOC in a hope that Indian army fires at them and in that chaos push a few hundred terrorists inside J&K. Also if there are huge casualties in case of Indian army fire they hope to take it to UN and internationalize J&K issue....
Here point is what kind of mentality and regime they have which is ready to endanger and sacrifice it's own population...

This is something that I have raised on twitter .... what we have to now, as a nation, decide on, is what is to be done in such an eventuality. Be it along LC or even in say Srinagar. What happens when a large frenzied crowd moves towards our troops with an intent which, in a setting of a large mob, is anything but harmless 'democratic & peaceful' demonstration, and our troops follow the Rules of Engagement, leading to casualties amongst the civilians here. Something to munch over.

 

[_Anonymous_]

This is something that I have raised on twitter .... what we have to now, as a nation, decide on, is what is to be done in such an eventuality. Be it along LC or even in say Srinagar. What happens when a large frenzied crowd moves towards our troops with an intent which, in a setting of a large mob, is anything but harmless 'democratic & peaceful' demonstration, and our troops follow the Rules of Engagement, leading to casualties amongst the civilians here. Something to munch over.

There's a precedent for it. The JeI Pakistan under their then Amir Qazi Hussain Ahmed did organise such a March of their cadres & civilians in the early 1990's across the LoC & were fired upon by the IA resulting in some casualties.

 

[vstol Jockey]

@Falcon, that Babaji has now stated what I had stated about Khuzdar garrison incident. I do keep latest info with me and do not post lies here. After sometime you will know about Tarbela also. and it will not be different from what i had posted.

 

[Hellfire]

What changed in 2015 that couldn't be done before?

The national will to actually do something and everything to attain objectives has enabled capability and ability.

 

[Hellfire]

What changed in 2015 that couldn't be done before?

The national will to actually do something and everything to attain objectives has enabled capability and ability.

 

[lcafanboy]

Your decisions are completely unexpected specially Kashmir decision so why not two front war? Why you guys always omit this option? What if India see two front war? Can you win? Pakistan needs a clear strategy and only strategy is two front war.china can do anything for pakistani Kashmir because it's the only alternative to reach Arabian ocean.do you really think that they will allow you to annex our Kashmir and choke their path to Arabian ocean? This is not going to happen.

Are you sure China has only one option to reach Arabian sea?
If all border disputes between India and China are settled they would easily get access to Arabian sea for trade via India and without spending any money along with huge market. Same thing for us we get access to their market as well as entry into Japan, south Korea, Taiwan, etc. Via land and Chinese coastal route. So chill China doesn't need Pakistan to access Arabian sea.

And yes remember this is power game of chess between 2 powerful nation where PAWNS like Pakistan are expendable. India and China both will have area of influence and both will test and challenge each other and will settle once fully aware that this is my domain and that is theirs and no conflict will result in thereafter since both know each other's strength.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Are you sure China has only one option to reach Arabian sea?
If all border disputes between India and China are settled they would easily get access to Arabian sea for trade via India and without spending any money along with huge market. Same thing for us we get access to their market as well as entry into Japan, south Korea, Taiwan, etc. Via land and Chinese coastal route. So chill China doesn't need Pakistan to access Arabian sea.

And yes remember this is power game of chess between 2 powerful nation where PAWNS like Pakistan are expendable. India and China both will have area of influence and both will test and challenge each other and will settle once fully aware that this is my domain and that is theirs and no conflict will result in thereafter since both know each other's strength.

This idiot does even know that already we are operationalising a corridor from China to India to BanglaDesh. China will get access to Bay of Bengal Thru BD and it is much shorter route compared to CPEC. This CPEC is atrap to take over Pakistan and it is not meant to bring any development to Pakistan.

 

[Hellfire]

I have great respect for you because of your technical knowledge.do you really think that China will allow India to annex pakistani Kashmir and choke their only alternative to reach Arabian ocean?

My counter. Do you think that China gains anything in intervening actively on Pakistan's side, knowing fully well that immediate and unhindered support will come from US, UK, France, Israel and Russia? Do not fall in the trap that the Pakistani members elsewhere tend to fall into - that of Russia moving away from India or reverse. S-400? Why do you think US is still figuring out how to force India to abandon the deal? Because there is another deal on plates for US.

You are missing out the value Economics and Commerce have. Historically too, it was always about Economics now too, it is about the same. Markets and resources have been the reason for wars always. And here, China Inc is chugging along just fine. It will not do anything to put that into jeopardy. China learns from its history. And history has always shown China being over run by those who may appear at odds with each other in interests (Russia-US-UK-France-Netherlands-Japan-Germany in 1800s).

Do you think they are fools to invest money in cpec and most importantly in pakistan.do you think that China will trust India and allow you to annex our Kashmir? They know the situation of South China Sea.their trade is their survival.they can do anything to save their only alternative route to Arabian ocean.i am happy that almost all members believes that two front war is impossibility just like 370 was impossible in our dreams.

You should really engage with @Nilgiri he will shed light on the economics (he has them at the fingertips at any given moment, I shall have to collate the material).

What China has in Pakistan, the costs have been recovered in terms of long term loans at higher than normal interest rates, market access and of course, security (the 'check' on spread of radical Islamism into Xinjiang for now) Your troops are fighting their wars in your Tribal areas. That is smart economics my dear friend.

 

[RajibJ]

@Falcon, that Babaji has now stated what I had stated about Khuzdar garrison incident. I do keep latest info with me and do not post lies here. After sometime you will know about Tarbela also. and it will not be different from what i had posted.

@Falcon sir your response please.

 

[Hellfire]

@Falcon, that Babaji has now stated what I had stated about Khuzdar garrison incident. I do keep latest info with me and do not post lies here. After sometime you will know about Tarbela also. and it will not be different from what i had posted.

Sir.

Let me not even start on where all the said twitter handle has changed the statements and come in alignment to what I have said here. The Akhnoor claims for one, A-50 Phalcon not being airborne for another etc.

My job here is not to convince anyone of anything. Those who do read carefully what I write, know precisely how things are unfolding.

Two days back (or was it yesterday?) I shared an info with @nair .. which I often do and I do not post here as am busy with other things. By month end Cellular services in Valley will be restored. As of now, only CAPFs and Police along with Administration officials, SIMs are active. Neither the Armed Forces, nor the civilians have their SIMs active. Hilarious - our army men are making expensive satellite phone calls to their homes... while police forces talk away on mobiles.

Also, internet will be restored only by January 2020. Or December 2019 at the earliest, if all goes well.

Additionally, our 'eyes in the skies' are active ... they provide lovey target acquisition data through which, targeting of selected terror holdouts is taking place. Pakistani Army has tried to protect them by moving them and theirselves, into civil area. Even then, precise targeting is being done.

The collateral is because of movement of civilians in the area which Pakistan Army is not allowing to be vacated.

As for what you aver to, I can assure you, you or anyone else for that matter (except a very small number of officers) have absolutely no clue as to what is being done and has been done. And what will be done either.

The mere fact that the number of people who know is small, is indicative of its classification status. And I shall leave it at that.

I again make a categorical statement "We have absolutely nothing to do with any and all those incidents that are being claimed by Baba or anyone else"

Where we do anything ... I will confirm if the information is for release, or merely stay quiet. @randomradio asked me what changed in 2015. And I gave an answer which is pure nonsense.

 

[Hellfire]

@Falcon sir your response please.

I only speak on matters that I am trained on, have a formal education at or have dealt with personally.

 

[Guynextdoor]

This is something that I have raised on twitter .... what we have to now, as a nation, decide on, is what is to be done in such an eventuality. Be it along LC or even in say Srinagar. What happens when a large frenzied crowd moves towards our troops with an intent which, in a setting of a large mob, is anything but harmless 'democratic & peaceful' demonstration, and our troops follow the Rules of Engagement, leading to casualties amongst the civilians here. Something to munch over.

we have every right to block borders.

 

[Hellfire]

we have every right to block borders.

We have every right to fire at any and all invaders, that is my considered opinion. Is the nation ready? I think yes. No other time have I found India to be more ready as now.

 

[Deathstar]

We have every right to fire at any and all invaders, that is my considered opinion. Is the nation ready? I think yes. No other time have I found India to be more ready as now.

Sir such usage of civilians can be treated as act of war by Pakistan?as it violates our sovereignity

 

[Star Wars]

Pakistan allows import of life-saving drugs from India

So that lasted how long exactly....Less than two weeks?

 

[Guynextdoor]

We have every right to fire at any and all invaders, that is my considered opinion. Is the nation ready? I think yes. No other time have I found India to be more ready as now.

optics matter. If they are truly unarmed and rabble rousing then tear gas/baton. If they cross the line then shooring as final option. We should infiltrate these protests and make sure some of our guys are breaking up the protests form inside and turning them violent.

 

[Hellfire]

Sir such usage of civilians can be treated as act of war by Pakistan?as it violates our sovereignity

Govt of India has to define the same

 

[Enquencher]

Are these march only across the loc or within kashmir also.
If in kashmir also then how the people there been informed after communication bloackade?

 

[metaphysician]

And do you really think that they will allow you to annex our Kashmir so that their only alternative to reach Arabian icean will get blocked by India? Pakistan accepted cpec proposal after a careful thought.they will always try to defend our kashmir.they know the situation in South China sea.american Navy and allies can block access to South China Sea for china.only access will be pakistani Kashmir so let me say, it's a great game.

they can pass through india also . this is a long term plan of china , they might reconsider so called cpec from gwadar too as and when things get worse in pakistan and they are getting day by day , after all who wants to invest money or for that matter give loan to a country whose existence is totally uncertain , pakistan has to get dismantled sooner or later . who would not want to do business and become friend with the market of more than 1.3 billion people ( compare it with bankrupt pakistan and pakistanis ) . and as said above in earlier posts , long term agreement and settlement of disputes with china is also possible , when two businessmen sit together , everything and anything is possible .
this can happen for sure and take the screen shot too .
one thing more , this time pakistan army will have it once for all i guess , and the world will see the coward face of pakistani army generals like they saw during 1971 . . no first use ko ghante pe rakhta hai koi .
and i am not sentimental and patriotic while writing the above mentioned .

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Sir such usage of civilians can be treated as act of war by Pakistan?as it violates our sovereignity

optics matter. If they are truly unarmed and rabble rousing then tear gas/baton. If they cross the line then shooring as final option. We should infiltrate these protests and make sure some of our guys are breaking up the protests form inside and turning them violent.

Are these march only across the loc or within kashmir also.
If in kashmir also then how the people there been informed after communication bloackade?

Koi nhi cross kar rha LoC bhai kyu pareshan ho. Did you see them running when one shell landed near dam? Whole premises was vacated within minutes and you think here they will come close to death?

Whomever tries to cut the wires is an intruder and will be shot down no matter what but it won't come to that. They are not there to invade but for photoshoot, let them have it or better start CFV in that area, nobody will come.