Nope. This time they are completely unhinged. Aur uska PM is behaving like a maniac. Yeh to karega. mark my words, they will try this.
India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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Nope. This time they are completely unhinged. Aur uska PM is behaving like a maniac. Yeh to karega. mark my words, they will try this.
I believe, IA leveling the loc everyday is mostly to make those areas inhospitable which could be a staging points for such protests.
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The prism you are using is very narrow. Try looking at it from China's perspective.
a. Help Pakistan logistically
This will ensure it provides Pakistan with all material support it requires to the extent, that, it is not detrimental to its own state secrets. Here, India will keep cribbing but not directly engage China. China will keep saying its business. Pakistan will need to now use the equipment provided.
b. Help Pakistan directly
It enters the conflict, thereby doing the following. Business at risk with India and India officially designates China an enemy state. In this scenario, if China aligns itself in what is as good as a defence pact, what do you think will be the Indian reaction?
Till date all military exercises have been increasing co-ordination between the IN, USN and JSN. The RAN is now joining the band wagon. But, India has avoided getting into a formal strategic alignment with these countries. A defence pact between US, Japan and India is not something the Chinese can take on. Not now, not 50 years in the future. This will include Australia and Vietnam going forward. Veritably, an Asian NATO.
Will China risk this for a Pakistan which is at best, a barely functioning state, being propped up economically by the GCC and China? An Asian NATO is the start of the bottling up of China. Whereas, a rival but non-aligned and an economic partner India is the best case scenario for the Chinese.
Think honestly and realistically. What will China do?
The prism you are using is very narrow. Try looking at it from China's perspective.
a. Help Pakistan logistically
This will ensure it provides Pakistan with all material support it requires to the extent, that, it is not detrimental to its own state secrets. Here, India will keep cribbing but not directly engage China. China will keep saying its business. Pakistan will need to now use the equipment provided.
b. Help Pakistan directly
It enters the conflict, thereby doing the following. Business at risk with India and India officially designates China an enemy state. In this scenario, if China aligns itself in what is as good as a defence pact, what do you think will be the Indian reaction?
Till date all military exercises have been increasing co-ordination between the IN, USN and JSN. The RAN is now joining the band wagon. But, India has avoided getting into a formal strategic alignment with these countries. A defence pact between US, Japan and India is not something the Chinese can take on. Not now, not 50 years in the future. This will include Australia and Vietnam going forward. Veritably, an Asian NATO.
Will China risk this for a Pakistan which is at best, a barely functioning state, being propped up economically by the GCC and China? An Asian NATO is the start of the bottling up of China. Whereas, a rival but non-aligned and an economic partner India is the best case scenario for the Chinese.
Think honestly and realistically. What will China do?
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Picture this
China and India could reach a backdoor deal.
India gives clear guarantees on keeping CPEC open. India will also go slow on Spratly islands oil projects and keep its hands off on Tibet, HK and Taiwan. China gets to keep Aksai Chin.
In return we take PoJK, keep Ladakh and Arunachal. Our border dispute is calmed - for now and China achieves its objective of getting to the Arabian sea and getting India neutral on its internal and external sores.
I say its quite plausible.
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Exactly, all of them talk of jihad jihad but when pashteen called on the Desi(Punjabis,sindhis,Karachi bhaiyas) to wage jihad as quota of pashtuns is already full in heaven, they only abused him and called him "not a real pashtun". They only talk tough, but want others to do jihad for them. They talked tough even in surrender ceremony in Dhaka when niazi was saying" we could have fought on for very long" . Even in pastuns the FATA pashtuns are exploited while the KPK pastuns rarely join Jihad.
You are not getting the point. Who says we have to destroy CPEC?
In any investment, when things start going south you look to sell the "non-performing asset" and cut your looses.
The non-performing asset here is Pakistan if India decides to go to war. China will not invest ~$100 billion to fight a war with India for a mere ~$50 billion they have invested in CPEC.
They have pockets deep enough to handle that loss. And what's more: India will ask China that they their investments in GB will not be touched. Instead, India is ready to divert the route which goes from GB onwards to Balochistan and connect the GB link to Gujarat and then the Arabian Sea. India can easily propose a 30% investment from its own pocket. This will alleviate China's concern of access to Arabian Sea & its "loss" in CPEC.
Frankly, China has lot more to gain from India and Indian markets then what Pakistan can provide to it. Geopolitics is cold and the idiots on the "other" forum don't understand these subtleties.
Just wait. They will also allow import of life saving TIMATTER too....Pakistan allows import of life-saving drugs from India
So that lasted how long exactly....Less than two weeks?
And help Pakistan directly for what?
Also, the compulsion to defend Pakistan is non-existent, when one considers the Kyakpyu port is operational in Myanmar, with oil and gas pipeline infrastructure that connects to Yunan and onwards, a much better developed part of PRC than Xinjiang. At 771 odd km, and a better terrain than the proposed route through Khunjerab on top of the Himalayas, any given day, Chinese dependence on Pak, for their survival, even if all their trade is done only through Indian Ocean is overrated and is just a day dream conjured up by Pakistani TV "analysts". I havent heard any such total dependence theory propounded by any Chinese strategists/analysts/experts worth their salt. On the contrary, in the past there have been multiple articles in Global Times and other state run media damping the Pakistani narrative and pointing to the impracticability of oil supplies through Khunjerab and trade flow in the reverse direction. And what difference does it make, if the chinese make an entry to Indian Ocean either on India's east or west, both within easy reach of Indian armed forces, in-case the balloon goes up. And may be in that scenario, holding on to the Myanmarese port and investment may be of added benefit, given India has no conflict with them and is relatively stable and safe from fluctuations in bilateral relations of two countries over which PRC has little control? Common sense suggests China to cut its losses and stay away from a conflict over which it has nothing to gain and everything to lose. Last time I checked, Chinese are known for pragmatism and hard nosed calculations than petty emotional outbursts
What if the Pakistanis themselves shoot at the crowd and blame us?
That doesn't say anything.
They requested for that too but we denied.Just wait. They will also allow import of life saving TIMATTER too....
Question you should first ask is why China is investing via loans rather than FDI.
Yes true but China is also a big player and do you think pakistan will allow India to use afghan wakhan corridor through Tajikistan? This is practically impossible.
They get beaten in India? Where? So they requested India to route it through India? This is the funniest thing I have ever heard.
Ready to change CPEC name, says Chinese envoy to India
Though the retracted the envoys statement later it was an indication. They were testing the waters.
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