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When Abhinandan was caught by PAF and the news was all around in Twitter. The top most trending hashtag on Twitter is "We don't want war. Call for Peace".

In any future fight with Pakistan or China, if they were initial losses on our side. People will pressurize the Govt for peace. I feel that social media is a bane for military operations
we must have some method blocking Twitter, FB and other SM at will in such situations.
 
When Abhinandan was caught by PAF and the news was all around in Twitter. The top most trending hashtag on Twitter is "We don't want war. Call for Peace".

In any future fight with Pakistan or China, if they were initial losses on our side. People will pressurize the Govt for peace. I feel that social media is a bane for military operations
1. Twitter is NOT India. It's at best an elitist echo chamber.
2. A lot of those tweets were originating from Pak to bolster the trend.
3. Modi was taking decisions irrespective of twitter trends. The fact he was willing to escalate if Abhi wasn't returned testifies that.
4. Media can be instructed to do jingoistic reporting and rile up war hysteria to counter SM subversion.
5. Mass media is still way more powerful than SM especially twitter.
 
When Abhinandan was caught by PAF and the news was all around in Twitter. The top most trending hashtag on Twitter is "We don't want war. Call for Peace".

In any future fight with Pakistan or China, if they were initial losses on our side. People will pressurize the Govt for peace. I feel that social media is a bane for military operations

Yes that is True but then we had Elections
Coming Soon after the February Conflict

So more Indian Casualties was not politically
Feasible

In Any Conflict , there will be Casualties

Our People would ask for a Justification of those casualties

So we need a very strong and solid reason to Go to War
 
After the skrimish/engagement of PAF with IAF, PA's ability to conduct both defensive war while maintaining adequate strong forces for offensive/counteroffensive is severely suspect. The going theory within PA HQ was that PAF frontline aircrafts with BVRs can engage a numerically superior in a roughly equal battle, thereby tying down IAF from executing large scale CAS operations. The fact that PAF's premium fighter could not hold its own will no doubt have caused concern among ground war theorists in PA. Even with Mobile SAM support, which is in any case limited in number, PA formations are now under heightened state of threat given PAF will have to maintain most of its frontline fleet in contesting/defending against IAF assets while IAF can spare premium multirole Aircraft to Ground attack aircraft for terrestial force destruction. Under such circumstances asymetric combat doctrines cannot be safely applied without risking forces to utter destruction.

This is one of the reason PA was unwilling to engage in a major skirmish after India abrogated statehood of J&K on Aug 5. PA generals know in any such conflict even PAF's tier 1 aircrafts can and will be tied up defending against IAF's tier 2 assets, leaving precious little to support PA formations engaged in skirmish.

What a shock Pak armed forces must have gone through. After Aug 5 they are not even talking anything worthwhile about war. They built a narrative after 27 Feb which went up in smoke after Aug 5. Enough for Pak citizens to question their armed forces. This shock is also visible in their forum.

Actually Aug 5 also made me a bit more aware of the situation.

But we must be more aware of any unconventional surprises Pak (in)security apparatus might pull off in India with tacit support from China.
 
What a shock Pak armed forces must have gone through. After Aug 5 they are not even talking anything worthwhile about war. They built a narrative after 27 Feb which went up in smoke after Aug 5. Enough for Pak citizens to question their armed forces. This shock is also visible in their forum.

Actually Aug 5 also made me a bit more aware of the situation.

But we must be more aware of any unconventional surprises Pak (in)security apparatus might pull off in India with tacit support from China.
To make things simple..

1) We were underplaying our capabilities or options
2) Pak were overplaying their capabilities or options

People forget the entire PAF were air borne on 27th......and we had 2 Su30s on their last leg of CAP, couple of mirages and couple of Mig21s.......
 
To make things simple..

1) We were underplaying our capabilities or options
2) Pak were overplaying their capabilities or options

People forget the entire PAF were air borne on 27th......and we had 2 Su30s on their last leg of CAP, couple of mirages and couple of Mig21s.......

Does anyone feel PAF gave away too much?

We know a fair bit about their Airborne radar tactics, and that they can time their attacks to hit when we are changing planes on station.

Not to mention the precedent they set of launching missiles from their side.

They did not gain anything for all of this.

@nair If a real war breaks out, how long can they do these 50 plane missions before spare and maintenance issue plague them?
 
What do the esteemed members think will be Pakistan's reaction when the "BLOODBATH" ultimately ensues? Militarily what options does it have?
Surgical strikes on IA positions?
Surgical strike on RSS offices/shakhas by terming them as terrorists and creating a quid pro quo to India's surgical strikes on terrorist outfits?

I know both the options are quite outlandish to any sane/rational mind but then we are dealing with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan!
 
What do the esteemed members think will be Pakistan's reaction when the "BLOODBATH" ultimately ensues? Militarily what options does it have?
Surgical strikes on IA positions?
Surgical strike on RSS offices/shakhas by terming them as terrorists and creating a quid pro quo to India's surgical strikes on terrorist outfits?

I know both the options are quite outlandish to any sane/rational mind but then we are dealing with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan!

Best option they have is praying that China and/or US will put diplomatic pressure on India to limit its objectives... which, seeing how both India and Pakistan are nuclear powers, is very likely.
 
Best option they have is praying that China and/or US will put diplomatic pressure on India to limit its objectives... which, seeing how both India and Pakistan are nuclear powers, is very likely.
If you mean a return to the old normal where every now & then there are terrorist outrages on a large scale across India apart from the odd civilian or security forces killed every other day thanks to Pakistan sponsored terrorism without inviting Indian retribution then it's not going to happen.

As long as retaliation is assured you can be sure there's going to be escalation which as the years go by & Pakistan becomes more isolated , more weakened economically & in terms of its internal security without any let up in its primary role in sponsoring terrorism in both Afghanistan & India, there's going to be a denouement one way or the other. And China is an interested party not an honest broker.
 
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Some Indians give too much credence to Pakistan. You may have seen many Pakistanis flaunting 27 Feb on twitter and PDF but have you ever heard a Pakistani taking pride and trying to scare India with AIM 120 C5? We OTOH are singing praises of AIM 120.

Almost all Pakistanis maintain that they won Feb 27 decisively but none (including official accounts) give AIM 120 same pedestal as theoretical NASR. Infact, Pakistanis are threatening us with non combat proven PL 15 against combat proven (as per their version of events) AIM 120 (BVR mode against WVR for shooting Mig21). What gives?

They focused too much on stardom of pilots while India was in awe of SPICE 2000.

This in itself has secret of which platform and weapon worked and which fizzled out.
 
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What if I told you guys India has Anti PGM countermeasures in place.

And when I say that I am not referring to kinetic countermeasures like SAMs and AAA etc ( hard kill systems )

What I am referring to is soft kill systems which scrambles the guidance systems of PGMs and makes them go off-target.

These systems are deployed in highly critical sites for protection of the same against guided munitions.

And I am also not talking about jammers and decoys to spoof GPS / radar guided munitions . These are available with every Humpty Dumpties across the world.

What I talking about is countermeasures against laser guided bombs and optical / IR / IIR guided bombs

I can 100% confirm soft kill system for laser guided bombs and I found references to Counter measures to spoof all kinds of optical sensors onboard munitions ( note : I don't have concrete proof on the types of optical sensors which r being spoofed but I took the liberty to include all )

Currently all systems ,Anti LGB , Anti optical , Anti GPS, Anti radar soft kill systems are standalone . And they r try to develop a all in one system.

Now coming to point , I was wondering if these or some of these soft kill systems were deployed in the army HQ etc which came under attack by por......... and as a result missed their targets

I never mentioned this anywhere because of the prevailing situation then.

@Falcon
 
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we must have some method blocking Twitter, FB and other SM at will in such situations.

There is but those who peddle fake news they use proxy servers in Pakistan, so the only solution is to bring whole India's Twitter network to standtill for the time being. But people can again access it via proxy.
 
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