India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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I find these tweets irrelevant unless until India move an inch forward into POK.
It is All About imposing COSTS
Human and Material Costs
The only thing is that we can Bleed them More if we Use IAF in POK
It is fully Justified Because there are Terror Camps in POK
Our Surveillance and Target Acquisition capabilities have improved , that is why We are Able to hit them by Artillery
The entire discussion over the past few pages has centred on the IAF's actions and its implication for India. Few have tried to analyse from PA+PAF's perspective on the implications of this skirmish on their overall military doctrines and even ORBAT. I'm writing from PA's perspective because PAF is expected to act in a supporting role to PA during major combat operations, and PA's ability to conduct ground operations will be heavily dependent upon PAF's performance. Also Rawalpindi GHQ rules above PAF HQ. Note that the following requirements are in addition to PAF's own duties of defending PAF bases
PA's ground operations doctrine in major combat is based on asymetric combat. To explain in simple terms, Nepoleon's stratagem: Use weak numerically inferior forces for defensive operations against stronger fighting forces while concentrating strong forces against enemy weak forces. PA intends to use small light Anti tank infantry battalions to take on own Armored brigades and light anti tank focused brigdes against armored divisons, with the intention of holding the enemy for 48-72 hours till own forces momentum is broken. The heavy forces, armor and mech forces are to be kept in concentrated reserve with the intention of striking weak own forces in any sector or counter attack on own forces in the event of IA's breakthrough.Textbook examples include FieldMarshal Walther Model's mobile battlegroups for counter attack while maintaining light forces along the front as a screen to hold and ground down Soviet offensives, if possible. PA envisons operations of similar nature against IA.
Now that doctrine requires that PAF be able to keep reasonable control of the air over PA strong forces' assembly/launch areas and key logistics lines. Without it massed PA armor forces will be slaughtered wholesale by IAF strikes. In fact without securing adequate air superiority PA will never be able to even concentrate adequate strong forces to make any effective challenge to any reasonble tier 1 IA formation. And PA knows this. PA's desperate situation in Longewala is an apt example of what happens when enemy has unchallenged air superiority over you.
Even for the defensive operations, PAF is required to contest the airspace effectively so that IA doesn't utilize IAF's CAS aircraft to render smaller challenging forces combat ineffective through relentless and uncontested CAS strikes. Example would be the utter destruction of PA defensive forces at several key points in then East Pakistan by air ops. the positions of defending PA troops were hammered hard enough that PA forces holding them simply shattered and were rendered combat ineffective before IA began a serious challenge in the area. As such on several occasions met forces that were already degraded by air strikes in the days before.
After the skrimish/engagement of PAF with IAF, PA's ability to conduct both defensive war while maintaining adequate strong forces for offensive/counteroffensive is severely suspect. The going theory within PA HQ was that PAF frontline aircrafts with BVRs can engage a numerically superior in a roughly equal battle, thereby tying down IAF from executing large scale CAS operations. The fact that PAF's premium fighter could not hold its own will no doubt have caused concern among ground war theorists in PA. Even with Mobile SAM support, which is in any case limited in number, PA formations are now under heightened state of threat given PAF will have to maintain most of its frontline fleet in contesting/defending against IAF assets while IAF can spare premium multirole Aircraft to Ground attack aircraft for terrestial force destruction. Under such circumstances asymetric combat doctrines cannot be safely applied without risking forces to utter destruction.
This is one of the reason PA was unwilling to engage in a major skirmish after India abrogated statehood of J&K on Aug 5. PA generals know in any such conflict even PAF's tier 1 aircrafts can and will be tied up defending against IAF's tier 2 assets, leaving precious little to support PA formations engaged in skirmish.
PA's ground operations doctrine in major combat is based on asymetric combat. To explain in simple terms, Nepoleon's stratagem: Use weak numerically inferior forces for defensive operations against stronger fighting forces while concentrating strong forces against enemy weak forces. PA intends to use small light Anti tank infantry battalions to take on own Armored brigades and light anti tank focused brigdes against armored divisons, with the intention of holding the enemy for 48-72 hours till own forces momentum is broken. The heavy forces, armor and mech forces are to be kept in concentrated reserve with the intention of striking weak own forces in any sector or counter attack on own forces in the event of IA's breakthrough.Textbook examples include FieldMarshal Walther Model's mobile battlegroups for counter attack while maintaining light forces along the front as a screen to hold and ground down Soviet offensives, if possible. PA envisons operations of similar nature against IA.
Now that doctrine requires that PAF be able to keep reasonable control of the air over PA strong forces' assembly/launch areas and key logistics lines. Without it massed PA armor forces will be slaughtered wholesale by IAF strikes. In fact without securing adequate air superiority PA will never be able to even concentrate adequate strong forces to make any effective challenge to any reasonble tier 1 IA formation. And PA knows this. PA's desperate situation in Longewala is an apt example of what happens when enemy has unchallenged air superiority over you.
Even for the defensive operations, PAF is required to contest the airspace effectively so that IA doesn't utilize IAF's CAS aircraft to render smaller challenging forces combat ineffective through relentless and uncontested CAS strikes. Example would be the utter destruction of PA defensive forces at several key points in then East Pakistan by air ops. the positions of defending PA troops were hammered hard enough that PA forces holding them simply shattered and were rendered combat ineffective before IA began a serious challenge in the area. As such on several occasions met forces that were already degraded by air strikes in the days before.
After the skrimish/engagement of PAF with IAF, PA's ability to conduct both defensive war while maintaining adequate strong forces for offensive/counteroffensive is severely suspect. The going theory within PA HQ was that PAF frontline aircrafts with BVRs can engage a numerically superior in a roughly equal battle, thereby tying down IAF from executing large scale CAS operations. The fact that PAF's premium fighter could not hold its own will no doubt have caused concern among ground war theorists in PA. Even with Mobile SAM support, which is in any case limited in number, PA formations are now under heightened state of threat given PAF will have to maintain most of its frontline fleet in contesting/defending against IAF assets while IAF can spare premium multirole Aircraft to Ground attack aircraft for terrestial force destruction. Under such circumstances asymetric combat doctrines cannot be safely applied without risking forces to utter destruction.
This is one of the reason PA was unwilling to engage in a major skirmish after India abrogated statehood of J&K on Aug 5. PA generals know in any such conflict even PAF's tier 1 aircrafts can and will be tied up defending against IAF's tier 2 assets, leaving precious little to support PA formations engaged in skirmish.
I saw that movie "Airlift" . There was a character in that who was unhappy with nearly everything. Infact when he was finally evacuated, his grouse was, "Why am I in economy class, why not in business class"? That too when the seats were not alotted in the aircraft but were on first come first serve basis.
There is one more Possibility
We keep Doing this "Un official attacks "
Which we read on Twitter
And Pakistan responds with a Big Terror attack or Air Strike
THEN we get our " Casus Belli " ie Justification to go to war
Basically we are Fingering them daily
For Any Succesful Indian Army Action
PAF will FIRST have to be Badly Mauled by IAF
So first 24 Hours Must be Exclusively Air And Naval Attacks
And only then Boots on the Ground
There is one more Possibility
We keep Doing this "Un official attacks "
Which we read on Twitter
And Pakistan responds with a Big Terror attack or Air Strike
THEN we get our " Casus Belli " ie Justification to go to war
Basically we are Fingering them daily
Already happening. Pakistan is not biting
How about first IN, followed by Joint attack by IAF and IA and boots on ground in the end? That too heli lifted or para dropped?
What is there to be happy Sir. 70 years and we are not able to contain a nation known as Pakistan who is working on the order of britishers and chinese. How long shall India be subjected to such hindrance which is making our growth slow. Are we preparing to pass on this turmoil to next generation? Sir I am not even 30 yet.
India's economy and standard of living is not ruined because Indians don't do hard work it is ruined because most of the tax payers money either goes into corruption or some kashmir issue. You could compensate that money lost by grabbing territory. Thrash them hard so that for next 400 years that region remains under Indian influence. This will also make sure that India remains united otherwise when Indian have nothing to do they fight with eachother.
Follow Alexander , his campaign towards the east made sure that for next 1000 years no one marches towards Europe from east. He did not come to conquer it he came to devestate so that the whole region doesn't rise again. And till now you look at central Asia. US is following the same policy.
Other wise there is no point of building IITs become largest crop produces, or being largest democracy or being number third in PhD holders in the world if India is not able to sort out issues with a state like Pakistan sustaining on aid.
Neelum Valley should now be Annexed
Neelum Valley has been targeted so many times in recently. What exactly is happening there? Heard there were also Chinese workers there
While I do like your posts and also nearly always respond to them, I want you to please consider India Before MSD-Modi-Doval-Shah. Nehru had given up POK in 1949 as per Karachi Agreement. But Pakistanis are what they are and started the campaighn to take over whole of J&K after the first coup in 1958 under Gen. Ayub Khan. I wish you had read my astrological predictions and other astrological data about India in another forum. We were destined to have 13 Maouni Babas who will pretend to be Indians but will help our enemies. This was told to me by my GrandFather who himself was an outstanding astrologer. Modi is 14th PM of India and Kovind is 14th President of India. Some people wrongly call Modi as 15th after including Guljari Lal Nanda who was never elected to be our PM but was care taker PM on three occassions.
If you have read or heard Garuda Puraan, Hamaray desh kee terahavin ho gayi hai. A new India is born and if I have to believe the predictions of my Grandfather, which by the way have come 100% true, India will never be defeated ever by any power on earth. India will lead the world once again.
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