India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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SU-30MKIs were carrying R-77s and R-73s. The problem was that they were at the limit of their endurance at that time as they had been on CAP for a very long time already. They were short on fuel to even chase those PAF fighters. But they did a very commendable thing. They stayed in the fight and denied PAF their objective. F-16s were so badly after the SU-30MKIs that they lost the battle picture and realised MIG-21s presence very late.
As I reconstruct the battle from Pak perspective, It appears to me that The strike package had Mirages as primary strike aircraft to be protected by 8xF-16s which were miantaining BARCAP and 3xF-16 as second strike aircraft to take out any target missed by Mirages. The JF-17s were positoned North to take care of any IAF fighters which might get airborne from bases in Punjab and chase these Mirages and 3xF-16s. The strike if bounced by other aircraft which could have got airborne from Punjab, would have run to north and the JF-17s would have covered their tail. It was for this reason that they kept 8xF-16s over Mirpur and when the 3xF-16s which came inside the 10km no flyzone got bounced by Mig-21s, they turned North towards the JF-17s. In effect PAF had created a two sided defence for its strike force, one to the west over Mirpur and second towards North by JF-17s. It was this trap in which they had planned to shoot down any indian Fighter interfering in their operation or trying to chase them to shoot them down. But their plans went for a toss as they failed to pick up Mig-21s in right time.
Please remember that F-16 shot down by Abhi was at a much lower height and he fired at the target when the target was intruding or turning away. It was not a tail on shot but front quadrent shot. Only Su-30MKIs got fired at, the M2k were not and the IAF CAP did not know at that time about the H4s fired by PAF MIrages. Mig-21s were launched as interceptors to engage with intruding force from Srinagar and Udhampur. The moment PAF realised that more fighters are being vectored towards them, they vacated the air space.
After 27th, ROE were changed to shoot down PAF aircraft pre-emptively and also the altitude of CAP was raised to allow for height advantage to IAF fighters.
For the first point - perhaps you need to work on this one
second point- get well soon.
He will NEVER wake up
Oh he will.
A nice dose of ether in a gauze held tightly onto his face is the remedy
I am ready to accept your version that we didn't fire because we could not get a firing solution. Any other justification letting PAF got scott free even after being fired upon is simply make no sense to me.
We need to realize the drawback and work on it. Acceptance is the key.
The sheer audacity with which own UAVs provide firing solutions from the 'no fly zone' ... is fun.
None which has been shot till now. That should indicate to you what has changed.
PAF is now in a very bad state. They know that if they fire from DMAX, they cant hit even a Mig-21 and if they come closer, they will be shot by SU-30MKIs and M2Ks.
He is correct in his assesment.Nice confidence
The M2Ks were maintaining their station and guarding their area of responsibility.
Wait for it.
The neighbour is trying hard to stop a rolling stone which is speeding towards his house.
If I've read you right, this translates to mean that our UAV's are out there carrying out ISR activities, unchallenged by the PAF which may see it as a trap sprung by the IAF which could be the case too.
Meanwhile, since the past two weeks we're receiving regular reports from the Punjab IB citing drones originating from Pakistan dropping payloads of arms & ammo which like in a few cases resulted in successful interception in Jammu but inevitably some may have found their way into the valley.
Oh, the 'scrap' along LC was hardly an IAF failure - more of 'bloodying' of IAF. IN too will make mistakes initially, these forces have not fought for sometime...... Recall why MARCOs and GARUDs have been told to operate with RR units initially? (although that is just a joke - it is SF they are operating with). While MARCOs and GARUDs are damn fine in their job, but the former has a 6 month rotation into valley. That means, just when a MARCO starts getting a 'feel' for CI operations, they are pulled out. Howsoever hard you may train, real battle trains you better. For failure on your day of 'exam' results in you being a casualty.
Kautilya is a very interesting read right now. The relevant points I have posted.
It is more fun to kill your enemy at 1/100th the costs - in men, material and resources. It may take time, but if the top echelon does not lose the plot, it shall happen. Have maintained this as a consistent refrain - why fight when there are more easier means to achieve the objective?
Nothing will happen I am telling you. Every one is right now busy in settling their kids because no one knows when Modi brings that 33 years of service or 60 years of age rule. LOL!
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