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I would request members and professionals here to work on the narrative to educate the folks, what is the conflict about with respect to Pakistan. Is it the territory, is it the terrorism, or is it the separatism, or is it a politics. Once this narrative is set the minds will be clear in resolving this conflict.


What do you think am I doing here? Trying to get the direction straight so that you sound less like Imran, our neighbouring buffoon and understand things. Nothing is going to be put out for you as CATCH IT. You will get it as T, A. C, H, I. Work it out.
 
Now days I am having sleepless night due to inaction of Indian as a whole against Pakistan and those countries who are supporting them. Looks like out of 1.3 billion no one cares about coming generation. All are busy in boozing and sleeping. There is no narrative in the country no worry and no concern about national security. Youth says they are hindus this and that and very next hour they are found in clubs doing sheesha others are busy in jokes on whatsapp and ghutka. Rest want to run their family and struggle for basic needs and rich guys have nothing in India so why to care.
We as a people of Bharat have crossed the level of extreme lethargy. I have started to feel worried about this country, especiously from youth like us. This time the government is strong but people are suffering from leprosy.

Bhagat Singh was so right : "behro so sunaney kae liye dhamake ki zarurat hoti hai" . If nothing is done this dhamaka will happen again from pakistani side or naxals. And then every one will wake up debate sip tea and sleep again. Pakistanis are just letting the time pass to get rid of current situation. I know haste o haste is not right but at least make a narrative like Vistol said.

My God imagine what would have happened if there had been war in 2009 or 2011. Even after having such a bold PM and strong regime like right now it's taking so time.

I don't know why Modi ji is taking so much pains for 1.3 billion patients of leprosy who themselves don't want to get cured.


Take 3 gms of Tab Diazepam. You will sleep better.
 
SU-30MKIs did try to fire back but the weapons control computer did not allow it as the targets were beyond the range of the AAMs carried by them. The ROEs were changed next day and after that PAF stayed miles away from SU-30MKI.

No sir.
They only got firing solutions on those egressing from the 10 km range into their own airspace, ,had the PAF platforms been ingressing, the ballgame would have been different. Hence no missile was launched.
 
What if it was a rafale in air and ROE's were there . What is the probability of Rafale dodging the BVR?

There are more qualified people to talk this over with.



And you guys get manipulated by them as well for promotions and postings. I know everything what happens in MoD from Audit to Procurement to Deputations. Let's not make it a soldier vs civilian issue. A south Indian favours a south Indian in military as well very much civilian instinct.

Yes and no. Not me. Am the 'hard nut, pain in the *censored*' who got the job done. And 'mere gaon wala' is a common thing. What is pervasive in the society, comes into the forces. You can try and control it, you can't beat it anymore out of the soldier .. again, just saying.

Corruption starts in the homes. Again - just saying.
 
How do you come up with such gems? I am positively intrigued.

Sir , you should Think , Imagine and Do a Scenario Building about a Possible
NEXT Air Conflict with PAF

You will see that limited Air War will be of no use

Again they will come with a 50 plane package in J and K

Unless we hit them across the IB , the PAF will not be decimated
 
No sir.
They only got firing solutions on those egressing from the 10 km range into their own airspace, ,had the PAF platforms been ingressing, the ballgame would have been different. Hence no missile was launched.
This game of go hot and go cold went on for many minutes. And that was the time SU-30MKIs did try to fire at the F-16s maintaining BARCAP and firing those AMRAAMs but SU-30MKIs failed to get a launch green. Only three F-16s intruded the 10km no fly zone and they got challenged by the MIG-21s. Other F-16s remained over Mirpur.
 
This game of go hot and go cold went on for many minutes. And that was the time SU-30MKIs did try to fire at the F-16s maintaining BARCAP and firing those AMRAAMs but SU-30MKIs failed to get a launch green. Only three F-16s intruded the 10kn no fly zone and they got challenged by the MIG-21s. Other F-16s remained over Mirpur.


Agreed. And the 03 F-16s immediately went cold. The issue was of a kill falling on the other side of the 10 km zone.

This was aimed to be a case wherein Indian narrative was to be built on India exercising restraints in Pakistani actions which have comprehensively been labelled as made in support of terror. FATF movement got a big push, whether anyone wants to agree or not, with this blunder by Pakistan.

An out was given by India to them, because aim was never to weaken the Civil Government, whose position is precarious at best. But the dunderheads didn't get it.
 
Sir , you should Think , Imagine and Do a Scenario Building about a Possible
NEXT Air Conflict with PAF

You will see that limited Air War will be of no us

Again they will come with a 50 plane package in J and K

Unless we hit them across the IB , the PAF will not be decimated

Not war gaming. Simple issue - unnecessarily I might actually slip something out that needs not be out.

Also, no, no limited war is ever a solution. But not every war needs to be fought with rockets, bombs etc
 
This game of go hot and go cold went on for many minutes. And that was the time SU-30MKIs did try to fire at the F-16s maintaining BARCAP and firing those AMRAAMs but SU-30MKIs failed to get a launch green. Only three F-16s intruded the 10km no fly zone and they got challenged by the MIG-21s. Other F-16s remained over Mirpur.

That is why I say PAF is a coward BUT A
LIMITED WAR MAKES THEM LOOK GOOD

They were Scared by
1) Abhinandan and MiG 21s
2 ) Just 2 Su 30 who were on a CAP
3 ) JF 17s chickened out on Seeing Mirage 2000

IAF must carry out 24 Hours Non Stop Attacks to PUT PAF IN ITS PLACE
 
No sir.
They only got firing solutions on those egressing from the 10 km range into their own airspace, ,had the PAF platforms been ingressing, the ballgame would have been different. Hence no missile was launched.

And why the ballgame was kept different based on whether they were ingressing or egreesing considering they have already fired SOW on military installations and fired BVR on our fighters who were within our own territory? Why didn't they fired on egressing pak fighters? Justification beyond a point goes wayward.

I will respond to your reply to my other post in sometime, down with fever.
 
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Once any ship or aircraft or a formation is fired upon by an enemy, the right to self defense arises and they are free to shoot back also. The ROEs in place on that day did not allow IAF to engage PAF flying 10 kms away from LOC as they did on that day. SU-30MKIs did try to fire back but the weapons control computer did not allow it as the targets were beyond the range of the AAMs carried by them. The ROEs were changed next day and after that PAF stayed miles away from SU-30MKI.

And how change in RoE make a difference if PAF outrange IAF? PAF is wise to stay just enough miles away to outrange MKI but still can fire on MKI.
 
Right Now we are seeing Daily LOC Skirmishes , But Pak Army Ghafoor has
Said Number of LOC casualties are irrelevant , Because we are fighting for our IDEOLOGY

SO What is Pakistan really worried about
It is Unpredictable Indian Response AND the Logistics Cost of Being ALERT 24 / 7

These CAPs cost Fuel and Spares

Therefore Our Next IAF response should of
A Much Higher Magnitude all across the IB
 
Nice to see you here after a long long time.

It is nice to be back here. I haven't had much time to study new developments in military technology, though; my current focus is more on history, politics and sociology due to this crap going down in Europe.

Once any ship or aircraft or a formation is fired upon by an enemy, the right to self defense arises and they are free to shoot back also. The ROEs in place on that day did not allow IAF to engage PAF flying 10 kms away from LOC as they did on that day. SU-30MKIs did try to fire back but the weapons control computer did not allow it as the targets were beyond the range of the AAMs carried by them. The ROEs were changed next day and after that PAF stayed miles away from SU-30MKI.

What AAMs did Su-30s carry? Flanker variants are basically missile-bus type fighters; IMO, it doesn't make much sense for them to carry relatively short-ranged missiles.
 
Right Now we are seeing Daily LOC Skirmishes , But Pak Army Ghafoor has
Said Number of LOC casualties are irrelevant , Because we are fighting for our IDEOLOGY

SO What is Pakistan really worried about
It is Unpredictable Indian Response AND the Logistics Cost of Being ALERT 24 / 7

These CAPs cost Fuel and Spares

What if China is providing them with consistent fund to keep firing at Indians?

Sir, wouldn't at that ranges probability of kill diminished substantially for PAF? Won't they be outside No escape zone?

Agree, that goes both ways, but they can still fancy their chances while we wont be. Also they will achieve NEZ earlier than MKI once they chose to come close.
 
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