India-US GE414 engine production partnership deal

The MoU we signed was for 100% ToT. The official stance today is the discussions are still on for final ToT numbers.

In fact, I think people are confused about some things. GE said they will source 80% of the value of the engine from India. But it appears ToT discussions are still ongoing.



He's saying GE will give HAL 100% production tech, but not SCB tech. So eventually HAL can replace the American SCB with an Indian one.



That's not a good idea. We need 2 design houses and 2 manufacturers at the minimum. 1 each, public and private. The Indian military market is too big for a monopoly. At the very least, even if we are stuck with GTRE, we still need 2 manufacturers.
Someone is spending 10 billion on 1 entity to develop a capability. And you want us (newbies) to divide our mear few millions in two?

The HAL engine division, the GTRE and MIDHANI should form a special purpose vehicle for 110 new engine development. Single point focus of funds will reduce the fixed costs. Idiots in our establishment do not get this.
The GE-HAL MoU is to ensure higher localisation in Tejas MK2. Nothing more. Anything excess we can reap will be a bonus.
 
Someone is spending 10 billion on 1 entity to develop a capability. And you want us (newbies) to divide our mear few millions in two?

The HAL engine division, the GTRE and MIDHANI should form a special purpose vehicle for 110 new engine development. Single point focus of funds will reduce the fixed costs. Idiots in our establishment do not get this.
The GE-HAL MoU is to ensure higher localisation in Tejas MK2. Nothing more. Anything excess we can reap will be a bonus.

What are you referring to?

GTRE, MIDHANI and DMRL are doing the R&D bit. So we still have only 1 development group, with GTRE in the lead.

The others are just for production. Rafale engine ToT, AMCA engine ToT, whatever else we buy in the future as well, like MTA. Other civilian aircraft, like business jets.
 
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GE engine deal to help overcome striking tech gap, says HAL chief


Bengaluru: The joint production of GE Aerospace’s F414 engines in India will help the country overcome a striking technology gap, lay the foundation for indigenous development of bigger jet engines , and possibly open doors to exports, HAL chief CB Ananthakrishnan said, adding that the American company and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited could hammer out a deal within a year.
“We have lacked the capabilities required to build jet engines,” he said in an interview. “The deal we are negotiating with GE will help fix the shortcomings. It will bring advanced technologies into the country and form the basis of future engine programmes to meet the Indian Air Force’s growing needs.”

GE and HAL signed a memorandum of understanding in Washington in June to produce 99 F414 engines for India’s light combat aircraft (LCA) Mk-2 programme during PM Narendra Modi’s visit. The deal will involve 80% transfer of technology (ToT) and is estimated to be worth around $1 billion.

This “never-seen-before” scale of technology transfer will be a “big game-changer”, and result in the Mk-2 fighter jets having a significantly improved indigenous content compared to the two current LCA variants, Mk-1 and Mk-1A, Ananthakrishnan said. “Still, we will drive a hard bargain to conclude the most competitive deal. The figure of $1 billion has been indicated by them (GE) and our effort will be to bring it down.”

HAL’s current experience with engines includes manufacturing the AL-31FP engines for Sukhoi-30s under licence from Russia, and the Shakti engines that power the advanced light helicopter and the light combat helicopter that have been co-developed with French engine maker Safran, the HAL chief said. HAL is also carrying out repair and overhaul of other aircraft engines.

“We are manufacturing the AL-31FP and Shakti engines under technology transfer which is not as exhaustive as what we will get under the F414 deal. But the experience thus far has been good and there have been valuable learnings that will help execute the new programme,” Ananthakrishnan said. The first lot of F414 engines will be made in India three years after GE and HAL conclude the deal.

The ToT for F414s will cover 11 critical areas many of which were entirely off-limits more than a decade ago when the US and India began talks on the possible production of the engines in the country, HAL officials said. Back then, the US agreed to only 58% technology transfer, keeping a string of key engine technologies out of India’s reach.

The F414 has evolved from the F404 engine that powers the existing Mk-1 and Mk-1A variants and is imported from the US. The local production of the F414 engines will result in the Mk-2 jets having an indigenous content of 75% compared to 55%-60% in Mk-1A and 50% in Mk-1.

HAL will set up a new engine complex for producing the F414 engines as existing capacities are insufficient for the programme.

Ananthakrishnan said. “An exclusive engine complex to build bigger engines will be a significant capacity addition which will help meet the country’s future requirements.” He said with necessary approvals, GE and HAL could later use the facility for exporting engines without restricting the effort to Indian requirements.

India has sanctioned ₹10,000 crore for the Mk-2 programme. The new fighter will cater to the future requirements of IAF, which has already inducted several of the 40 earlier Mk-1s, ordered 83 newer Mk-1As and plans to order 97 more Mk-1As. The IAF could order more than 100 Mk-2s.

The Mk-2 will be ready for production in five years, the officials said.

It will have improved range, higher weapons payload capacity, superior radar capability, better avionics, advanced electronics, enhanced survivability, better situational awareness for pilots, network centric capabilities, and the ability to quickly switch from one role to another.

The 17.5-tonne fighter will have a maximum speed of 1.8 Mach, compared to the 13.5-tonne LCA Mk-1A that has a top speed of 1.6 Mach. The new aircraft will come with a payload capacity of 6.5 tonne (compared to 3.5 tonne for the Mk-1A) and it will carry a mix of weapons including beyond visual range air-to-air missiles, air-to-ground missiles, heavy precision guided weapons and conventional bombs.

The engine technologies that will now be transferred to India under the GE-HAL deal include machining and coating for single crystal turbine blades, fabrication of powder metallurgy discs, inertia friction welding for fan and afterburner, laser drilling technology for combustor, special coatings for corrosion and erosion, machining and coating of ceramic matrix composites for nozzle guide vanes, flaps and other parts, machining of thin-walled titanium casing, polymer matrix composites for bypass duct and bottle boring of shafts.
 

Fighter jet engine deal with India to start this year: GE Aerospace's Amy Gowder

GE Aerospace Defence & Systems President Amy Gowder in an exclusive interview with ET shared that India's fighter jet engine technology deal with the US is progressing on time and a detailed technical proposal with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) will be shared with HAL soon.

A fighter jet engine technology deal with the US, which was announced during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Washington DC last year, is progressing on time and a detailed technical proposal to set up a manufacturing unit in India jointly with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) will be shared with the state-run company early this year, GE Aerospace Defence & Systems President Amy Gowder told ET.

In an exclusive interview, the top executive said the scope of the technology transfer to HAL will be higher than what GE has done with other partners and that options to export engines and components from India are firmly on the table. She added that GE is keen to participate in the development of next generation engines for India's Advanced Multirole Combat Aircraft (AMCA) and has a technological advantage over competitors.

Speaking on the landmark pact to manufacture GE Aviation's F414 INS6 engines in India with HAL as the lead partner that was announced during Modi's visit to the US, Gowder said a detailed technology transfer process is underway.

"Early this year, we will have a proposal to them and that kicks off formalising the agreement with HAL and the government. We will bring over our engineers and supply chain resources to start the co-production. It will take most of this year to get it kicked off and going," she said.

The timeframe for starting engine production will depend on the requirements of the Indian Air Force and Defence Research and Development Organisation but broad plans are to prepare for deliveries within three years.

Valued at nearly $1 billion, the deal will lead to an 80% technology transfer for the F414 engines, which will include coating for the hot end of the engine as well as crystal blades and laser drilling technology. The engines will power the Mk2 version of the Light Combat Aircraft as well as initial batches of AMCA. Currently, GE's F404 engines power the under production LCA Mk1A version as well as in service LCA fighter jets of IAF.

Gowder said GE has experience in technology transfer but has never done it to such an extent. "We have done this before with Korea and Turkey but never to this degree. So, it is a very special technology transfer for India. They (HAL) will have the most content than any other partner around the world," she said.

On prospects of the American company for an Indian requirement of next generation fighter engines with a thrust of at least 110 kilo newtons, Gowder said GE is actively working with the Indian government.

"We are honoured to be part of the prototype for the Mk1 version (of AMCA). F414 has to grow in thrust, capacity and performance, and would be an advantage to India and would be very well suited for the aircraft," she said, expressing confidence in meeting the technology transfer requirements that India is likely to propose for production of the next generation engines.

"Because of our long history of integrating (engines) on indigenous platforms and because we are on the prototype of AMCA, we know we have the competence and can bring the technology that the Indian government wants," the top executive said.
 
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GE Aerospace sees trainers and light combat jets powering F404’s future


GE Aerospace sees opportunities for its military engines business in the Asia-Pacific, particularly for trainers and a new crop of fighters being developed in the region.

Amy Gowder, president and chief executive of GE Aerospace Defense & Systems, says that air forces globally are renewing their trainer fleets, while demand for light-attack aircraft is also growing.

GE is well-placed to capitalise on this trend. Its F404 powers both the Boeing T-7A and the Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) T-50/FA-50. The T-7A is the US Air Force’s replacement for the Northrop T-38, while the KAI aircraft has been adopted by South Korea’s air force, and has also scored several export wins.

The F404 also powers the Hindustan Aeronautics Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, a type being acquired by the Indian air force.

GE’s larger, more powerful F414 is the powerplant for KAI’s KF-21, and is a candidate to power India’s planned twin-engined fighter, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft.


Gowder says that the supply chain issues that have impacted the industry are being worked through but in the meantime customers have opted to stock up on spare parts.

“It has been a very challenging time, particularly if we look at the raw material space, metals and castings, and forgings that really hurt us in the beginning,” says Gowder.

“We’re starting to see recovery and improvements in labour, and [we’ve] been able to hire a lot more people,” she says.


GE is looking to overseas help with the supply chain, for example considering a casting capability in Japan.

Meanwhile, GE is adopting a different approach to the collaborative combat aircraft (CCA) space, where unmanned aircraft are envisaged as disposable and expensive, meaning high-capability engines such as the F404 and F414 do not lend themselves to such applications.

“We’re actually going to pivot, and we have some partnerships that we’re working on for a low-cost architecture,” says Gowder. “We see attritible – or very low cycle – engines as a fundamentally different way to design an engine than an F404.”

GE aims to develop a low-thrust engine for a system such as a missile, and then scale it up for CCAs and other attritable aircraft. The company envisages an engine with 800lb (3.6kN)-thrust that scales up to possibly 3,000lb or maybe 6,000lb thrust.

She adds that the company is working with a partner that is getting the first such engine ready for a test.
 
Same is the case with South Korea currently. India is the only one where GE F414 will actually be produced locally. And with a high localisation content.
I think ROK will assemble theirs F414-GE400K locally and also manufacture some key parts (which parts? I haven't found yet, without it we can'tmake a comparison of how forthcoming the US is for Indian deal) according to this press release from Hanwha in 2016:
Hanwha Techwin Signs Agreement with GE to Locally Manufacture F414 Engines for KF-X Aircrafts-12th_July_2016
  • Hanwha Techwin to lead KF-X engine integration, installation and localization development through technological cooperation with GE Aviation
  • Engine production for local KF-X demand alone is expected to exceed $1.58 billion, coupled with another $1.76 billion for export and maintenance

On July 12, the Hanwha Techwin CEO of Aerospace and Defense Business Group Shin Hyun-Woo signed a technical collaboration agreement with the GE Aviation's Military Systems Operation CEO Jean M. Lydon-Rodgers at the Farnborough International Airshow, UK, to domestically manufacture the engine parts that will power the Korean Fighter Experimental (KF-X) aircraft.

Under the agreement, Hanwha Techwin will lead the integration and installation of the engine on the KF-X as well as the local assembly of the engines and manufacture of key parts. Hanwha Techwin will also support the flight testing during the engine system development and build a comprehensive military support system for the fighter jet operations.

The KF-X project led by Hanwha Techwin is the biggest defense project since the founding of the nation's Republic of Korea Air Force (ROKAF).

The KF-X system development program is scheduled to be completed in 2026. The first milestone is to complete the Preliminary Design Review (PDR) in 2018 followed by the Critical Design Review (CDR) in 2019. Then after launching the first prototype in 2021, the final milestone will be the initial flight in 2022.

Earlier in May, GE was selected to supply the KF-X with their F414-GE-400 engines. Equipped with these state-of-the-art 21,500-pound-thrust-class engine, the twin engine KF-X fighter, will serve as the flagship fighter jet of the ROKAF.

"Manufacturing the KF-X engines will stabilize the local production systems and the supply of frequently replaced parts, and this will pave the way to reducing operating costs while enhancing the combat readiness of the ROKAF," said a representative for Hanwha Techwin. He further added, "the local manufacturing facilities and infrastructure enhanced through the KF-X project will continuously help to increase the strengthening and even the exporting of the ROKAF's aircraft lineup."

Hanwha Techwin is the leading engine manufacturer for Korea's main fighter jets and helicopters. After manufacturing the engine for the F-5 jet through technical collaboration with GE in 1980, Hanwha Techwin was selected for the final engine assembly for the KF-16 in 1986. The company has consistently maintained an unrivaled presence with leading-edge technologies in the aerospace engine industry. Hanwha Techwin has developed the engines for the ROKAF's renowned fighter jets such as the F-15K and the T-50. And it has also actively worked on the KHP (Korean Helicopter Program) to produce the engine for 'Surion', a utility helicopter domestically designed and manufactured in South Korea.

Hanwha Techwin's technological capabilities are recognized globally. As a testament to this recognition, the company is gaining attention for winning a series of orders to supply engine parts and actively participating in RSP (Risk and Revenue Sharing Partnership) with global aircraft engine manufacturers.

The company has won aircraft engine parts contracts totaling $7 billion in the last two years. It received a $900 million order to produce engine parts for Pratt & Whitney's (P&W) Geared Turbofan (GTF) in 2014, and a $430 million order for GE's Leading Edge Aviation Propulsion (LEAP) engine in January of 2015. And in June of 2015, it signed a $1.7 billion deal with P&W to supply engine parts. Later that year in December, Hanwha Techwin joined P&W's next-generation engine RSP totaling $3.8 billion.

Since becoming the affiliate of Hanwha Group last June, Hanwha Techwin has amplified its efforts to improve its business competitiveness. Hanwha Techwin has also announced its new vision to become a global leader with aerospace, defense systems, and cutting-edge technology equipment solutions.

The technical collaboration agreement with GE is not only a recognition of Hanwha Techwin as a technical expert in the building of aircraft engines and parts but also as a reliable global partner. This further solidifies the company's position as a key business unit of the Hanwha Group.

And recently they did ground breaking for the new F414-GE-400K plant for assembly, It took 8 years from agreement to this stage for Koreans, lets see how fast our deal goes even though we don't have an agreement at hand only a MOU.
SEOUL, South Korea, April 15, 2024 /PRNewswire/ -- Hanwha Aerospace rolled out its 10,000th military engine on April 15, achieving a major milestone for its indigenous development and manufacturing of aero engines.

A ceremony was held at the Changwon Plant I to commemorate the rollout of the 10,000th aircraft engine, the F404 powering the TA-50 trainer jet flown by the ROK Air Force. The milestone was achieved 45 years after the company had produced a J79 Turbojet engine for the F-4 Phantom II in 1978.

Among the high-profile guests at the ceremony were Gen. Lee Young-soo, ROK Air Force Chief of Staff; Minister Seok Jong-gun of Defense Acquisition Program Administration; Park Jong-seung, President of the Agency for Defense Development.

In a congratulatory message through a video speech, Minister of National Defense Shin Won-shik recognized the importance of the country's aero engine manufacturing capabilities. "The aviation engine embodies a concentration of advanced technologies, making it a key determinant of aerospace industry leadership. Furthermore, Hanwha's technology is expected to play an important role in strengthening the Republic of Korea's defense capabilities." said the minister.

On the occasion of the engine production milestone, Hanwha Aerospace broke the ground for a 16,530㎡ engine production facility, in which F414 engines for the fleet of KF-21 fighter aircraft to be manufactured under the license from General Electric. About USD 30 million was invested to build the facility featuring smart technologies of IT-based quality management and logistics systems.

As part of efforts to enhance its own engine capabilities, Hanwha Aerospace is aiming to develop a homegrown turbojet engine generating 15,000 lbs of thrust, which can power the KF-21 Block III variant and unmanned fighter aircraft, by the mid-2030s. Furthermore, the company will continue to develop core technologies for a 6th-generation jet fighter, such as the Embedded Electric Starter Generator (E2SG), and ceramic matrix composite materials.

"Hanwha Aerospace is fully committed to investing in the research and development of indigenous, advanced aero engines, instead of relying on foreign technology, to contribute to the growth of South Korea's aerospace industry, and enhancing the national security posture as well," said Jaeil Son, President and CEO of Hanwha Aerospace.

Unwavering Partnerships with Big 3 Engine Makers

Founded in 1977, Hanwha Aerospace is a global aerospace and defense company offering a broad portfolio of products and services, ranging from land combat systems, precision munitions to military engine production and MROs.

In the aerospace sector, in particular, Hanwha Aerospace stands as the only South Korean company that has an end-to-end capacity for engine designing, manufacturing, and evaluating systems. Based on this capacity, the company has developed over 1,800 indigenous engines for precision-guided missiles and auxiliary power units, along with extensive MRO services on 5,600 military engines for 45 years.

A top-tier partner for the world's three major aircraft engine companies _ General Electric, Pratt & Whitney, and Rolls-Royce, Hanwha Aerospace has gained an excellent reputation in the international aerospace market for its highest level of production and consistent delivery of sophisticated engine parts.
 
I think ROK will assemble theirs F414-GE400K locally and also manufacture some key parts (which parts? I haven't found yet, without it we can'tmake a comparison of how forthcoming the US is for Indian deal) according to this press release from Hanwha in 2016:
Hanwha Techwin Signs Agreement with GE to Locally Manufacture F414 Engines for KF-X Aircrafts-12th_July_2016


And recently they did ground breaking for the new F414-GE-400K plant for assembly, It took 8 years from agreement to this stage for Koreans, lets see how fast our deal goes even though we don't have an agreement at hand only a MOU.
It is 39% localization in engine from this post by AbRaj:
The General Electric (GE) F414 engine adopted as the engine of the KF-21 is an engine capable of generating a thrust of 14,028 lbs based on sea level (SLS) and International Standard Atmosphere (ISA), and 20,856 lbs when the afterburner (AB) is activated. Fuel consumption is 0.828 lbs/lbs/hr and 1.875 lbs/lbs/hr with AB operation. It is being produced under license by Hanwha Aerospace, and the localization rate is 39%. The emergency power system was not developed separately, but a new engine-to-engine start function was added to allow the engine to be restarted using a normal engine in an emergency. By implementing the 1553 mux communication function in the secondary power system controller, the system operation mode and status are displayed on the screen. made to be For the hydraulic system, weight reduction and system complexity were minimized by applying multiple main hydraulic systems and not applying an emergency hydraulic system in consideration of the engine characteristics.
 
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Hanwha breaks ground on F414 engine production facility

Hanwha Aerospace has broken ground on a new facility to licence-build the GE Aerospace F414 engine for the Korea Aerospace Industries KF-21 fighter.

The company is investing about $30 million in the 16,530sq m (178,000sq ft) facility at Changon, it says.

KF-21 prototype 2 Aoa Tests

Source: Defense Acquisition Program Administration


The KF-21 is powered by two F414s
The ground-breaking coincided with the company’s hitting a production milestone – manufacturing its 10,000th aircraft engine, an F404 that will power a T-50/FA-50-family jet. The company produced its first engine under licence in 1978, a J79 for the McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom.


In a congratulatory message, defence minister Shin Wok-Shik noted the importance of aircraft engine development, and hinted at a future fighter programme beyond the fourth-generation KF-21.

“Production of the 10,000th engine is a historic milestone proving South Korea’s advanced engine technologies, and most of all, the aeroengine is one of the most important strategic assets for national defence,” says Shin.

“I expect Hanwha Aerospace’s know-how and experience of engine production accrued over the past 45 years will be a stepping-stone for the country’s indigenous development of a sixth-generation fighter jet in the future, as well as the home-grown aircraft engine development.”


In addition, Hanwha has plans to develop an engine with a thrust of 15,000lb (66.8kN) that will power Block III examples of the KF-21.

In December 2023, Seoul’s Defense Acquisition Program Administration announced that the country will develop a new 15,000lb thrust engine that will enter service in the second half of the 2030s.

“Hanwha Aerospace is fully committed to investing in the research and development of indigenous, advanced aero engines, instead of relying on foreign technology, to contribute to the growth of South Korea’s aerospace industry, and enhancing the national security posture as well,” says Hanwha Aerospace president and chief executive Jaeil Son.