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[LX1111]

Idiot, this is what I said in post no. 5 of this very thread:

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Do you read here that our primary ASF(aka MKI) is completely outclassed against J-20/16 etc.? Where is the thought that MKI can easily defeat J-16/20 etc.?

And no BrahMos isn't invincible, in fact nothing is. While it could be theortically intercepted, it's a lot harder than what you think. Spare us with your Mig-21 comparison till then, lol.

PS: Talking about my intelligence, didn't I humble you in the Indian missiles thread(Astra vs PL-12 compasion) while you tucked your tail and ran away when the going got tough like a typical Chinese coward.

Hahaha, from the first time I looked at the India forum in 2020, I was always told how powerful the SU30UPG was, but we didn't even see a shadow of this aircraft until 2025.
As for the PL12 issue, I have given the public information I have found, except I can't wake up the Indian pretending to be asleep
What is the fundamental difference between the Brahms and MIG21? A little faster, a little smaller. Any other differences?

 

[LX1111]

Idiot, this is what I said in post no. 5 of this very thread:

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Do you read here that our primary ASF(aka MKI) is completely outclassed against J-20/16 etc.? Where is the thought that MKI can easily defeat J-16/20 etc.?

And no BrahMos isn't invincible, in fact nothing is. While it could be theortically intercepted, it's a lot harder than what you think. Spare us with your Mig-21 comparison till then, lol.

PS: Talking about my intelligence, didn't I humble you in the Indian missiles thread(Astra vs PL-12 compasion) while you tucked your tail and ran away when the going got tough like a typical Chinese coward.

Who do you think who has the most AWACS, the most e-fighters, the most advanced technology? Who has more battlefield control planes?

 

[LX1111]

Idiot, this is what I said in post no. 5 of this very thread:

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Do you read here that our primary ASF(aka MKI) is completely outclassed against J-20/16 etc.? Where is the thought that MKI can easily defeat J-16/20 etc.?

And no BrahMos isn't invincible, in fact nothing is. While it could be theortically intercepted, it's a lot harder than what you think. Spare us with your Mig-21 comparison till then, lol.

PS: Talking about my intelligence, didn't I humble you in the Indian missiles thread(Astra vs PL-12 compasion) while you tucked your tail and ran away when the going got tough like a typical Chinese coward.

Radar? IRIST? Missiles? Apart from the Rafale, there are several fighters equipped with AESA radars. Can the OLS30 on the Indian Su-30 match the blue eye of the J16?

 

[Gosu]

Well, the Indian media even got the picture wrong, the radar should be this picture

It says representative ai image right under the picture.

 

[randomradio]

Well, if you were at sea, you could think that it was going supersonic at low altitude, and on the ground, at Mach 3, which is a stupid idea, a tree on the ground or a high-voltage telephone pole could have intercepted Brahmos.
Of course, this is not the first time you have expressed such poor IQ, in fact, in the middle and late cold war, the Americans decided to use the F14A and AIM54 to intercept Soviet heavy supersonic missiles，And it worked really well,
The Brahmos is a bit smaller and a bit faster than the mig-21, but it is still huge compared to other supersonic missiles, and its optical and radar signals are still noticeable
The large front inlet proves that the rcs is still large
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Oniks RCS is 0.1-0.2m2 in X band and up to 0.5m2 in S band. It's been improved since then on later versions of Brahmos.

IR signature may be large, but due to its maneuverability and high speed, getting a fire control solution from long distances is not practical without RF. When it gets closer, you may get one chance to hit.

Plus when it's sea-skimming, neither RF nor IR are visible until it clear horizon anyway. It's not practical to hide from large ship radars within line of sight.

On land, it will fly higher, like 100 m.

 

[randomradio]

Of course, given your intelligence, you think the Su-30MKI can easily defeat the J16/20/35 and our 6th generation fighters, it is not surprising that you think Brahmos is some kind of mysterious weapon that is difficult to intercept

Fighters do not operate in isolation. Whether you win or lose depends on whether your sensors can pick up threats, and they do not have to be present on fighters. The shooter can be anything; SAM, 4th gen fighter, or 5th gen fighter.

For example, if my fighter radar cannot pick up a J-20, but my ground radar can, then I will get my firing solution from the ground radar to engage the J-20.

High-end fighters are necessary when they work in isolation, like the B-21. But within the range of your support infrastructure, you can use anything you want as long as you have good survivability, networking, kinematics, and advanced weapons. This way even an MKI integrated with a Meteor-class missile can perform air defense.

 

[LX1111]

Oniks RCS is 0.1-0.2m2 in X band and up to 0.5m2 in S band. It's been improved since then on later versions of Brahmos.

IR signature may be large, but due to its maneuverability and high speed, getting a fire control solution from long distances is not practical without RF. When it gets closer, you may get one chance to hit.

Plus when it's sea-skimming, neither RF nor IR are visible until it clear horizon anyway. It's not practical to hide from large ship radars within line of sight.

On land, it will fly higher, like 100 m.

If you look at the Cold War period, the United States used F-14A combat record, even the United States APG9 radar, also has a high detection probability of sea-skimming missiles, I once saw a set of data, the United States two F14A used AIM54 shot down 12 sea-skimming harpoon missiles at one time, Against a Brahms missile with a higher RCS and infrared signal than a Harpoon missile, a modern fighter has a higher interception probability than the F14A
Not to mention that an AWACS aircraft could have detected the sea-skimming Brahmos much earlier and guided the PL15 to intercept it (this is where the two-way data link comes in).

 

[LX1111]

Fighters do not operate in isolation. Whether you win or lose depends on whether your sensors can pick up threats, and they do not have to be present on fighters. The shooter can be anything; SAM, 4th gen fighter, or 5th gen fighter.

For example, if my fighter radar cannot pick up a J-20, but my ground radar can, then I will get my firing solution from the ground radar to engage the J-20.

High-end fighters are necessary when they work in isolation, like the B-21. But within the range of your support infrastructure, you can use anything you want as long as you have good survivability, networking, kinematics, and advanced weapons. This way even an MKI integrated with a Meteor-class missile can perform air defense.

The fifth-generation fighter is not a lone Wolf, in offensive operations, also need the support of electronic warfare aircraft, but also have aircraft to carry out SEAD missions, so the future will see who can provide better support for their fifth-generation aircraft

 

[randomradio]

If you look at the Cold War period, the United States used F-14A combat record, even the United States APG9 radar, also has a high detection probability of sea-skimming missiles, I once saw a set of data, the United States two F14A used AIM54 shot down 12 sea-skimming harpoon missiles at one time, Against a Brahms missile with a higher RCS and infrared signal than a Harpoon missile, a modern fighter has a higher interception probability than the F14A
Not to mention that an AWACS aircraft could have detected the sea-skimming Brahmos much earlier and guided the PL15 to intercept it (this is where the two-way data link comes in).

AIM-54 won't perform well at sea level, especially against supersonic targets at that level.

Missiles like Harpoon, Kaliber etc have higher RCS due to their wings.

Anyway, it's not easy to discover low flying missiles with fighter radars alone.

AWACS, yes. But the same thing works against any missile. Even PL-15 can be intercepted.

Brahmos will be fired in multiples, so intercepting all of them won't be easy. And you are considering ideal conditions for interception, whereas in actual combat conditions, you still have to deal with EW, fog of war, decoys etc.

And then, both fighters and AWACS can also be attacked, preventing them from intercepting Brahmos.

 

[randomradio]

The fifth-generation fighter is not a lone Wolf, in offensive operations, also need the support of electronic warfare aircraft, but also have aircraft to carry out SEAD missions, so the future will see who can provide better support for their fifth-generation aircraft

The Americans have developed their aircraft to operate alone inside enemy territory.

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“But in the first moments of a conflict I’m not sending Growlers or F-16s or F-15Es anywhere close to that environment, so now I’m going to have to put my fifth gen in there and that’s where that radar cross-section and the exchange of the kill chain is so critical. You’re not going to get a Growler close up to help in the first hours and days of the conflict, so I’m going to be relying on that stealth to open the door,” Hostage says.

Dedicated EW aircraft like J-16D and even KJ-500 cannot survive against modern IADS.

And we were talking about the usefulness of the Su-30MKI MLU. What's necessary for its air defense mission is primarily a good EW suite so it can survive against BVR missiles, a decent radar and ESM so it can detect 5th gen fighters and a BVR missile capable enough to defeat the threat. It does not need stealth for survival when conducting such a mission because it will operate above friendly IADS. J-20 has not been designed to penetrate modern IADS, the same as Su-57, and even the F-22.