Indian Army Artillery Systems : News and Updates


The Army has procured an initial batch of 1,200 M982 Excalibur in October under an emergency procurement procedure following the February 2019, each shell cost 80,000 USD, the M982 has resistance to GPS jamming and has a circular error probable of five to 20 meters and, according to Raytheon, can engage targets at a distance as close as 75 meters & far as far to 69.20 kilometers from 155mm x 52 caliber Gun, Excalibur extended-range guided artillery shells can be fired from the M777 howitzer and the Army’s new K-9 Vajra 155 mm/52 caliber self-propelled tracked howitzer. #IndianArmy #Excalibur
 
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Hydra said:
When our mod & finance guys will know this basic funda that mobility wins war along with firepower.
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Even Bofors uses Trucks for Towing

So these Sarang 155 mm can also do so

Most importantly this 45 caliber 155 mm gun can hit targets at 39 KM
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
Even Bofors uses Trucks for Towing

So these Sarang 155 mm can also do so

Most importantly this 45 caliber 155 mm gun can hit targets at 39 KM
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It has limited mobility due to aux, also loading barrel elevation adjustment are automatic incase of Bofors. Remember we purchased it some 40 years back, in 2021 we had upgraded a gun which is mediocre in terms of mobility.

Each and every military induct top end military gear, if they can't afford they at least induct superior weaponry than they already using. In case of india its opposite.

when Chinese are inducting wheeled howitzers in large numbers, induction of an ultra modern towed artillery itself doesnt justify the case/purpose & here we are inducting an artillery which work asper ww2 era mentality.
 
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So the man power involvement will be high, unlike Bofors howitzer, right?
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Manpower needed for towed artillery is almost the same for almost all guns. That has been the case for a while. If we do a Sharang M-46 vs. Bofors FH77 vs. Dhanush vs. ATAGS for manpower we get the following:

1. For operating the gun: 6 vs. 4 vs. 4 vs. 4
2. For loading ammo: 2 vs. 2 vs. 2 vs. 2
3. For driving the FAT 6x6: 2 vs. 2 vs. 2 vs. 2

Therefor total crew: 10 vs. 8 vs. 8 vs. 8
Hydra said:
When our mod & finance guys will know this basic funda that mobility wins war along with firepower.
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Hydra said:
It has limited mobility due to aux, also loading barrel elevation adjustment are automatic incase of Bofors. Remember we purchased it some 40 years back, in 2021 we had upgraded a gun which is mediocre in terms of mobility.

Each and every military induct top end military gear, if they can't afford they at least induct superior weaponry than they already using. In case of india its opposite.

when Chinese are inducting wheeled howitzers in large numbers, induction of an ultra modern towed artillery itself doesnt justify the case/purpose & here we are inducting an artillery which work asper ww2 era mentality.
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It is not fair to compare the Sharang with the Bofors. We bought the original M-46 in the 60s & the Bofors in the 80s. Now we have 180 Soltam modified M-46s & 300 OFB modified M-46 offering the same range as the Dhanush & much more than the Bofors FH77.

How much did the 300 OFB modified M-46 Sharangs cost ? US$ 27.2 million. How much does 1 Dhanush cost ? US$ 2.1 million. So we are getting 300 Sharangs for the price of ~13 Dhanush. Its a bargain deal. Obviously the Sharang won't have all the accessories of the Dhanush but it is a very welcome addition.
 
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Mostly in 2022. A lot of developments are expected to occur in 2022 on various levels & fronts.
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I thought u were making fun of Randomradio & aviraina of twitter.
If it is indeed 2022 going to be important year for defense.. Very much welcome it.

we made great strides in missiles bombs , SAMs, Radars , satellite s & helicopters. LCH, LUH. BTA HTT40 , LCAmk1A.

We bought rifles, UAVs Rafales C295
Helicopters Chinook Apache LM sirkosky Romeos..

All these need atleast 2-5 years to be operationally ready for combat.
 
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BTW it’s heavier MArG-ER (Steel) variant.
They also have lighter MArG-T (Titanium) which is similar to M777 is capability and role.
Here are the official specs of both

MArG ER –

  • Indigenously designed and developed 155mm/52 cal Ultra-Light Howitzer Extended Range
  • Extended range version of MArG-S (Steel) 155mm_39Cal gun
  • Combines the advantages of a 155mm/52 cal gun with that of an ULH
  • Light Weight with superior firing range
  • Transportable by existing railway transport and towed by light weight limber or utility vehicles
  • Deployable at high mountain areas
  • Quicker emplacement and digital fire control
  • High reliability and low maintenance cost
  • Present status: Ready for proof firing trials in June
MArG T –

  • MArG-T (Titanium): Indigenously designed and developed 155mm/39 cal Ultra-Light Howitzer
  • Titanium version of ULH making it extremely lightweight
  • Provides high field maneuverability, flexibility and accuracy
  • Capable of rapid redeployment by battle filed helicopters, existing railway service or towed by light weight limber or utility vehicles
  • Digital fire control, high rate of fire, reliability and easy maintenance
  • Present status: Ready for proof firing trials in May 2020
 
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Unveiling is ok..
But when are going to give orders?
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2022+ of course.

This gun was specifically asked for by our late CDS Rawat in lieu of more M777s. So it looks like BF has managed to deliver. And interestingly, it has no real competition.

What's important is it weighs only 18T, so it comfortably fits inside the C-130J. We will eventually be buying over 4 dozen medium transports, so the MGS has been made to fit inside it.
 
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Sathya said:
I thought u were making fun of Randomradio & aviraina of twitter.
If it is indeed 2022 going to be important year for defense.. Very much welcome it.

we made great strides in missiles bombs , SAMs, Radars , satellite s & helicopters. LCH, LUH. BTA HTT40 , LCAmk1A.

We bought rifles, UAVs Rafales C295
Helicopters Chinook Apache LM sirkosky Romeos..

All these need atleast 2-5 years to be operationally ready for combat.
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Whenever I write 2022 , pls feel free to consider it as 2025 for 2025 is the new 2022 without cross checking with me except that Avi Raina in his latest tweets has brought forward his date of 30/06/2022 .

As I've remarked earlier there's more chance that Avi Raina's prediction comes true than of us expecting transformational events in the Indian armed forces.

The entire contingent of M-777 is yet to be delivered . When was the order placed ? Around that time I recall the chatter out here was the actual requirement of such guns would be in excess of 400 . Nobody seems to be speaking of it now whereas we've suddenly jumped into the MGS.

Given the plans of the IA wrt artillery , a lot of indigenization has happened particularly in the past 6-7 yrs yet how has the IA reacted to this development. The ATAGS is a case in point . You could refer to the ATHOS too for that matter.

Hence it stands to reason that all such developments will take time to be internalised & accepted by the IA. The previous optimistic date was 2022. It's now 2025.
 
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