This will take longer.
155/39 4x4 is a recent requirement. First AoN, them DAC clearance then CCS clearance. 3 years minimum.
155/39 4x4 is a recent requirement. First AoN, them DAC clearance then CCS clearance. 3 years minimum.
2025 . That's precisely what I wrote in a subsequent post. 2025 is the new 2022 .
PKR will be reason pak will get broke..
Already their embassies around world are tweeting about their country.
Next year maybe the year they ll fail to pay loans.
Actually Paxtan is not the source of our worries today . In any case whether Paxtan is a successful or failed nation they'd never cease to be a problem.
Yeah as if our enemies will wait until we induct them. I AM tired of these trials a rule should be made to complete all these drama within 2 yrs.
We were wasting time inTejas mk1A negotiating price with HAL.
Who ll waste 2 years for that except us.
Here's a whole article about why 2022 is a special year.
www.news18.com
Future Ready: Defence Forces Eye Modernisation Through Indigenisation, CDS Appointment in 2022 - News18
Amidst China standoff and tension in northeast, the government is pushing for self-reliance in defence. Big acquisitions, which will add to defence capabilities, will be delivered in 2022.
www.news18.com
Kalyani Bharat Forge MGS 39 cal 4x4 155mm
On the recommendation of then, Indian Army Chief Bipin Rawat, later Chief of Defence Staff, Kalyani Group developed a Truck-mounted all steal MArG 155 mm / 39 caliber ULH which was displayed for the first time at the DefExpo2020.
Mountain Artillery Gun [MArG] – Steel, and Titanium (155mm/39cal) ULH dubbed as Mountain Artillery Gun is Indian made 155mm/39cal gun to supplement expensive BAE Systems M777 155mm/39cal gun which has a range of 30 km.
MArG:
It is Mountain Artillery Gun and comes under the category of ULH i.e. Ultra Light Howitzer. It is a 155mm/39 Caliber gun. In this section it comes in 2 variants: 1) MArG-S (Steel Variant) with a weight of 6.8 Tonnes with Conventional Recoil System and 2)MArG-T (Titanium Variant) with a weight of just 4.8 tonnes and has Hybrid Recoil System. Here Titanium is said to have a bit higher maintenance than the Steel one, but in the end, it depends on the user to sacrifice which variable. Present status of the gun ready for proof firing trials in May 2020
6)MArG ER:
The gun is very Similar to MArG but has an Extended Range. Here, the gun is 155mm/52 caliber. It is actually the hybrid of ULH and along with 52 Caliber. It’s actually the gun, which is beating M777 ULH as this one has a higher range of 41 Kms and its one of the Variant of ULH. Present status of the gun is ready for proof firing trials in June
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I hope they are having hydraulic drive otherwise we all know what will happen at the last moment lol.Kalyani Bharat Forge MGS 39 cal 4x4 155mm
On the recommendation of then, Indian Army Chief Bipin Rawat, later Chief of Defence Staff, Kalyani Group developed a Truck-mounted all steal MArG 155 mm / 39 caliber ULH which was displayed for the first time at the DefExpo2020.www.globalsecurity.org
Mountain Artillery Gun [MArG] – Steel, and Titanium (155mm/39cal) ULH dubbed as Mountain Artillery Gun is Indian made 155mm/39cal gun to supplement expensive BAE Systems M777 155mm/39cal gun which has a range of 30 km.
MArG:
It is Mountain Artillery Gun and comes under the category of ULH i.e. Ultra Light Howitzer. It is a 155mm/39 Caliber gun. In this section it comes in 2 variants: 1) MArG-S (Steel Variant) with a weight of 6.8 Tonnes with Conventional Recoil System and 2)MArG-T (Titanium Variant) with a weight of just 4.8 tonnes and has Hybrid Recoil System. Here Titanium is said to have a bit higher maintenance than the Steel one, but in the end, it depends on the user to sacrifice which variable. Present status of the gun ready for proof firing trials in May 2020
6)MArG ER:
The gun is very Similar to MArG but has an Extended Range. Here, the gun is 155mm/52 caliber. It is actually the hybrid of ULH and along with 52 Caliber. It’s actually the gun, which is beating M777 ULH as this one has a higher range of 41 Kms and its one of the Variant of ULH. Present status of the gun is ready for proof firing trials in June
Seems like Artillery have got some kind of radar for target tracking etc. @Gautam what are thease Radar like things on tripod behind each cannon ?D-30
Also some king of Vehicle with Retractable antenna is there in background .
But No WLR accompanying these artillery units ?
I am not sure but I think that army stopped giving orders for 122mm artillery ammo. Some units were transferred to BSF along LoC. BSF will be using them for some time.D-30
Artillerie : Le CAESAr du français Nexter se distingue aux États-Unis en tirant des obus « Excalibur »
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Artillery: Nexter's CAESAr distinguishes itself in the United States by firing "Excalibur" shells
BY LAURENT LAGNEAU - 19 JANUARY 2022
At the end of 2020, it was announced that the 6×6 version of the CAESAr [155mm Artillery System Equipped Truck] would soon be evaluated at Yuma Proving Ground [Arizona] by the US Army, which was then looking for a new artillery system to replace its M777 towed howitzers. However, there was no mention of this evaluation afterwards.
Is it currently underway? The American company Raytheon Missiles & Defense did not specify this in the press release it has just published. On the other hand, it indicated that, in partnership with the US Army and the French group Nexter, a CAESAr had just hit two targets located more than 46 km away by firing M982 Excalibur shells during tests carried out at Yuma Proving Ground. He said that this was a "record" for such an artillery system.
As a reminder, the CAESAr is capable of "hitting the bull's eye" at a distance of 40 km with the ammunition it normally fires.
"This success highlights the interoperability of a French howitzer with a US munition and gives our customers more options for using the Excalibur [howitzer] from a wider range of platforms," said Sam Deneke, Raytheon Missiles & Defence's head of land warfare and air defence.
The Excalibur is a GPS- and inertial-guided shell that entered service in 2007. The result of joint work by the US Army Research Laboratory [ARL] and the US Army Armament Research, Development and Engineering Center [ARDEC], it is produced by Raytheon Missiles & Defence and BAE Systems AB. It is compatible with the M777, M109, M198, Archer, PzH2000 and SIAC howitzers, and henceforth with the CAESAr.
"Chosen by eight partner countries, CAESAr is without doubt the most powerful truck-mounted artillery system available today," said Thierry Soulat, programme manager at Nexter. "This demonstration with Excalibur underlines the compatibility of CAESAr with Nato standards for conventional and 'smart' munitions," he added.
That said, it is not certain that the Army will adopt the Excalibur shell in turn, even if the feedback [RETEX] from the CAESAr's engagement in Iraq, as part of operations against the Islamic State [EI or Daesh], has all underlined the need to obtain so-called "intelligent" ammunition because it is precise. Indeed, Nexter is currently developing the Katana shell, which, with GPS and inertial guidance, would increase the range of the CAESAr to 60 km.
So, we are buying 200 more K9s.
www.indiatoday.in
The defence ministry has begun moving files to place a repeat order of 200 more 155mm tracked self-propelled howitzers worth over Rs 10,000 crore.
This significant order, to be placed with Larsen & Toubro (L&T) sometime this year, is the largest order placed with an Indian private sector defence firm and is a potential booster dose for the government’s plan to modernise the military, create an industrial defence base and reduce defence imports.
A self-propelled gun is a tank chassis fitted with a howitzer designed to provide firepower to mobile columns. A K9 Vajra weighs 50 tonnes and can fire shells out to over 50 kilometres. L&T had delivered 100 K-9 Vajras for Rs 4,500 crore in partnership with South Korean defence firm Hanwha Defense. The contract was signed in May 2017 and the 100th gun delivered to the army on February 2021. It remains the largest Make in India programmes signed and completed on this government’s watch.
It is also the fastest way for the army to acquire modern artillery systems.
A new order, which could be placed by this year, will see the guns start to roll out of Hazira by 2023 with all deliveries completed before 2028. A large number of these guns will be specially modified with uprated engines to operate in the high altitude cold deserts of Ladakh and Sikkim.
It is not a stretch to believe this massive order could be one of the highlights of Defexpo 2022, the defence ministry’s biennial land and naval systems exhibition. The 12th instalment of Defexpo is to be held in Gandhinagar, Gujarat, between March 10 and 13. It also coincides with the government’s drive to make Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s home state a defence industrial hub.
Until last year, the army had planned to order only one more K9 regiment. How then did this become a humongous 10 regiments? One reason, clearly, was China’s military deployment, which began in eastern Ladakh in May 2020.
The army’s five existing regiments of Vajras (each regiment has 18 guns, not counting the two in reserve) were acquired not for the mountains, but to operate with the Indian army’s three strike corps ranged across the plains of the Punjab and the semi-deserts of Rajasthan. The People’s Liberation Army deployment and the subsequent activation of the entire northern and eastern borders saw the army scramble to acquire modern artillery. Late last year, three K9s were moved up into eastern Ladakh on a trial basis. A senior artillery officer in the Udhampur-based Northern command was a key mover behind this unusual deployment. The guns drove up from Leh to the forward areas of eastern Ladakh on their own power (instead of a tank transporter-trailer), demonstrating their ability to operate independently. What seemed to have been forgotten was that these guns had been originally designed to operate in South Korea, a rugged mountainous country with a hostile neighbor and with climatic conditions that could mimic those of eastern Ladakh. The Indian army K9s, however, still needed to be modified with a special low temperature kit in the field with L&T engineers. The range tables and the software that guided these guns was modified, again in the field, by the engineers. The guns are believed to have performed exceedingly well, which strengthened their case for more guns.
“If you don’t have at least 10 more regiments of self-propelled artillery, you will fall short all over the border,” says Lt General P Ravi Shankar, former Director General Artillery.
The army’s own howitzer acquisitions were going nowhere. Its insistence on acquiring 400 ‘Athos’ towed howitzers from Israeli firm Elbit were repeatedly rebuffed by the MoD and the case finally closed late last year. The MoD argued, correctly it would seem, that imports would kill indigenous howitzer capabilities developed over the years by a range of private and public sector developers. Seen from the army’s point of view, the two most promising indigenous artillery systems are yet to deliver. Design defects on the Dhanush, an indigenous version of the FH-77B Bofors, have jeopardised an army order for 114 guns. The DRDO-designed Advanced Towed Array Gun System (ATAGS), built indigenously by Tata Defense and Bharat Forge, is yet to clear army trials. The army believes it could take these guns at least until 2025 to pass its stringent trials.
The army hence cannibalised its requirement for nine regiments of wheeled howitzers—a 155 mm howitzer mounted on a 6x6 armoured vehicle—to make way for the K9s. The wheeled howitzer programme was one of five different types of howitzers projected after the Kargil War and whose requirement was accepted by the government. Around 3,000 new guns were to be procured in the towed, wheeled and tracked (on a tank chassis, like the K-9) mounted gun systems (on a truck chassis) and ultra-light howitzer categories. Only the mounted gun systems and the wheeled howitzers are to be acquired. The second category now seems to have been scrapped.
@Milspec
What’s behind a massive order for Made-in-India howitzers
A firepower imbalance in a border standoff with China and the need to kickstart indigenous defence industry…. A Rs 10,000 crore order for 200 howitzers could be just what Indian industry needs
The defence ministry has begun moving files to place a repeat order of 200 more 155mm tracked self-propelled howitzers worth over Rs 10,000 crore.
This significant order, to be placed with Larsen & Toubro (L&T) sometime this year, is the largest order placed with an Indian private sector defence firm and is a potential booster dose for the government’s plan to modernise the military, create an industrial defence base and reduce defence imports.
A self-propelled gun is a tank chassis fitted with a howitzer designed to provide firepower to mobile columns. A K9 Vajra weighs 50 tonnes and can fire shells out to over 50 kilometres. L&T had delivered 100 K-9 Vajras for Rs 4,500 crore in partnership with South Korean defence firm Hanwha Defense. The contract was signed in May 2017 and the 100th gun delivered to the army on February 2021. It remains the largest Make in India programmes signed and completed on this government’s watch.
It is also the fastest way for the army to acquire modern artillery systems.
A new order, which could be placed by this year, will see the guns start to roll out of Hazira by 2023 with all deliveries completed before 2028. A large number of these guns will be specially modified with uprated engines to operate in the high altitude cold deserts of Ladakh and Sikkim.
It is not a stretch to believe this massive order could be one of the highlights of Defexpo 2022, the defence ministry’s biennial land and naval systems exhibition. The 12th instalment of Defexpo is to be held in Gandhinagar, Gujarat, between March 10 and 13. It also coincides with the government’s drive to make Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s home state a defence industrial hub.
Until last year, the army had planned to order only one more K9 regiment. How then did this become a humongous 10 regiments? One reason, clearly, was China’s military deployment, which began in eastern Ladakh in May 2020.
The army’s five existing regiments of Vajras (each regiment has 18 guns, not counting the two in reserve) were acquired not for the mountains, but to operate with the Indian army’s three strike corps ranged across the plains of the Punjab and the semi-deserts of Rajasthan. The People’s Liberation Army deployment and the subsequent activation of the entire northern and eastern borders saw the army scramble to acquire modern artillery. Late last year, three K9s were moved up into eastern Ladakh on a trial basis. A senior artillery officer in the Udhampur-based Northern command was a key mover behind this unusual deployment. The guns drove up from Leh to the forward areas of eastern Ladakh on their own power (instead of a tank transporter-trailer), demonstrating their ability to operate independently. What seemed to have been forgotten was that these guns had been originally designed to operate in South Korea, a rugged mountainous country with a hostile neighbor and with climatic conditions that could mimic those of eastern Ladakh. The Indian army K9s, however, still needed to be modified with a special low temperature kit in the field with L&T engineers. The range tables and the software that guided these guns was modified, again in the field, by the engineers. The guns are believed to have performed exceedingly well, which strengthened their case for more guns.
“If you don’t have at least 10 more regiments of self-propelled artillery, you will fall short all over the border,” says Lt General P Ravi Shankar, former Director General Artillery.
The army’s own howitzer acquisitions were going nowhere. Its insistence on acquiring 400 ‘Athos’ towed howitzers from Israeli firm Elbit were repeatedly rebuffed by the MoD and the case finally closed late last year. The MoD argued, correctly it would seem, that imports would kill indigenous howitzer capabilities developed over the years by a range of private and public sector developers. Seen from the army’s point of view, the two most promising indigenous artillery systems are yet to deliver. Design defects on the Dhanush, an indigenous version of the FH-77B Bofors, have jeopardised an army order for 114 guns. The DRDO-designed Advanced Towed Array Gun System (ATAGS), built indigenously by Tata Defense and Bharat Forge, is yet to clear army trials. The army believes it could take these guns at least until 2025 to pass its stringent trials.
The army hence cannibalised its requirement for nine regiments of wheeled howitzers—a 155 mm howitzer mounted on a 6x6 armoured vehicle—to make way for the K9s. The wheeled howitzer programme was one of five different types of howitzers projected after the Kargil War and whose requirement was accepted by the government. Around 3,000 new guns were to be procured in the towed, wheeled and tracked (on a tank chassis, like the K-9) mounted gun systems (on a truck chassis) and ultra-light howitzer categories. Only the mounted gun systems and the wheeled howitzers are to be acquired. The second category now seems to have been scrapped.
@Milspec
This is excellent news. It means we can equip 15 armoured brigades with K9s. Considering another 15 brigades or more will consist of FRCV, with its own howitzer design, our entire army will get SPHs. Now we gotta see if the order will be for the autoloader version or the regular manual one.
And ATAGS will only be ready by 2025. Makes sense considering it's practically gone back to the drawing board.
And ATAGS will only be ready by 2025. Makes sense considering it's practically gone back to the drawing board.
Good. It was logical to scrap the 180 requirements of a wheeled SPH if we were having a MGS already. 300 K9 and approx 800 MGS within this decade will make our forces more mobile and leathal. Good step. Should be expedited.So, we are buying 200 more K9s.
What’s behind a massive order for Made-in-India howitzers
A firepower imbalance in a border standoff with China and the need to kickstart indigenous defence industry…. A Rs 10,000 crore order for 200 howitzers could be just what Indian industry needs
The defence ministry has begun moving files to place a repeat order of 200 more 155mm tracked self-propelled howitzers worth over Rs 10,000 crore.
This significant order, to be placed with Larsen & Toubro (L&T) sometime this year, is the largest order placed with an Indian private sector defence firm and is a potential booster dose for the government’s plan to modernise the military, create an industrial defence base and reduce defence imports.
A self-propelled gun is a tank chassis fitted with a howitzer designed to provide firepower to mobile columns. A K9 Vajra weighs 50 tonnes and can fire shells out to over 50 kilometres. L&T had delivered 100 K-9 Vajras for Rs 4,500 crore in partnership with South Korean defence firm Hanwha Defense. The contract was signed in May 2017 and the 100th gun delivered to the army on February 2021. It remains the largest Make in India programmes signed and completed on this government’s watch.
It is also the fastest way for the army to acquire modern artillery systems.
A new order, which could be placed by this year, will see the guns start to roll out of Hazira by 2023 with all deliveries completed before 2028. A large number of these guns will be specially modified with uprated engines to operate in the high altitude cold deserts of Ladakh and Sikkim.
It is not a stretch to believe this massive order could be one of the highlights of Defexpo 2022, the defence ministry’s biennial land and naval systems exhibition. The 12th instalment of Defexpo is to be held in Gandhinagar, Gujarat, between March 10 and 13. It also coincides with the government’s drive to make Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s home state a defence industrial hub.
Until last year, the army had planned to order only one more K9 regiment. How then did this become a humongous 10 regiments? One reason, clearly, was China’s military deployment, which began in eastern Ladakh in May 2020.
The army’s five existing regiments of Vajras (each regiment has 18 guns, not counting the two in reserve) were acquired not for the mountains, but to operate with the Indian army’s three strike corps ranged across the plains of the Punjab and the semi-deserts of Rajasthan. The People’s Liberation Army deployment and the subsequent activation of the entire northern and eastern borders saw the army scramble to acquire modern artillery. Late last year, three K9s were moved up into eastern Ladakh on a trial basis. A senior artillery officer in the Udhampur-based Northern command was a key mover behind this unusual deployment. The guns drove up from Leh to the forward areas of eastern Ladakh on their own power (instead of a tank transporter-trailer), demonstrating their ability to operate independently. What seemed to have been forgotten was that these guns had been originally designed to operate in South Korea, a rugged mountainous country with a hostile neighbor and with climatic conditions that could mimic those of eastern Ladakh. The Indian army K9s, however, still needed to be modified with a special low temperature kit in the field with L&T engineers. The range tables and the software that guided these guns was modified, again in the field, by the engineers. The guns are believed to have performed exceedingly well, which strengthened their case for more guns.
“If you don’t have at least 10 more regiments of self-propelled artillery, you will fall short all over the border,” says Lt General P Ravi Shankar, former Director General Artillery.
The army’s own howitzer acquisitions were going nowhere. Its insistence on acquiring 400 ‘Athos’ towed howitzers from Israeli firm Elbit were repeatedly rebuffed by the MoD and the case finally closed late last year. The MoD argued, correctly it would seem, that imports would kill indigenous howitzer capabilities developed over the years by a range of private and public sector developers. Seen from the army’s point of view, the two most promising indigenous artillery systems are yet to deliver. Design defects on the Dhanush, an indigenous version of the FH-77B Bofors, have jeopardised an army order for 114 guns. The DRDO-designed Advanced Towed Array Gun System (ATAGS), built indigenously by Tata Defense and Bharat Forge, is yet to clear army trials. The army believes it could take these guns at least until 2025 to pass its stringent trials.
The army hence cannibalised its requirement for nine regiments of wheeled howitzers—a 155 mm howitzer mounted on a 6x6 armoured vehicle—to make way for the K9s. The wheeled howitzer programme was one of five different types of howitzers projected after the Kargil War and whose requirement was accepted by the government. Around 3,000 new guns were to be procured in the towed, wheeled and tracked (on a tank chassis, like the K-9) mounted gun systems (on a truck chassis) and ultra-light howitzer categories. Only the mounted gun systems and the wheeled howitzers are to be acquired. The second category now seems to have been scrapped.
@Milspec