Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

FalconSlayers said:
Partially true. But license production of aircrafts did allow us to design and develop multiple subsystems and components of aircrafts. Su-30 MKI is made majority in India by value, including its engine from raw material stage. In fact it is more indigenous by value than LCA MK1A currently is. But the thing is, it allowed us to indigenise a lot of avionics, engine components and allowed private firms to gain experience in manufacturing fuselage components and other sub-assemblies.

Problem with firms like these screwdrivering foreign products is that they have no willingness to localise the way PSUs had as they could absorb operational losses or revenue loss. A private firm is profit first and is answerable to its shareholders. So they have no incentive to localise components to other Indian firms (unless an import ban or PLI-like scheme is introduced) which will increase the costs further in the short-medium run while also sending back royalties to OEM/Licensor who already have economies of scale of the components involved.

It is cheaper for me to buy components for a smartphone from china, assemble and sell than it is to localise the same components from Indian players that increases the costs multi-fold. More so, when we talk about defence equipment, not consumer goods like smartphones, that too of foreign IPR.

All of our supply chains have been developed thanks to PSUs whether license producing stuff or making IDDM products. So whatever little localisation these penny-pinching private firms are able to achieve, is because of decades of heavy lifting by PSUs. So I agree that when all advanced components are coming from abroad and IPR is not with you, such screwdrivering simply must not be entertained beyond a certain point.
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Yes which is what I am saying. Value is only where IP is indian. But the way nibe emergency procurement is going, no IP will be indian
 
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FalconSlayers said:
Su-30 MKI is made majority in India by value, including its engine from raw material stage.
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That's a typo wrt engine.
By value, India only makes 54%.
By subcomponent count, it might indeed be much higher at 80% -- but the raw materials all still come from Russia.

That said, we are all generally aligned that we have hit the limits of screwdriver work. The next paradigm shift will only come from the IDDM path. Making the SX blades for KDE is what unlocked it for AL31FP and not the other way around.
 
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jmaxwell_ said:
That's a typo wrt engine.
By value, India only makes 54%.
By subcomponent count, it might indeed be much higher at 80% -- but the raw materials all still come from Russia.

That said, we are all generally aligned that we have hit the limits of screwdriver work. The next paradigm shift will only come from the IDDM path. Making the SX blades for KDE is what unlocked it for AL31FP and not the other way around.
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Its Rajnath Singh's failure that under him, this screwdrivergiri fraud is happening in the open
 
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Shan said:
The SPEAR system from Elbit.

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Mahindra in shambles.

Ever since Israel announced they will use India to build their supply lines, the import lobby went into overdrive in complete cahoots with the RM, MoD and Armed Forces. Perhaps the PM himself. They get the latest tech, and cost benefits of scale through shared production.

The only casualty is Atmanirbharta. But this vision the PM had sold is popular with the people. So how do you implement the new plan?

Well in comes Dhoti manufacturer Kavita Fabrics. Sorry, not just any Dhoti, but synthetic Dhotis. You use them to bring in the Israeli products but keep the Atmanirbharta song and dance going under some Mahabharat sounding whitelabel. And use the EP route to keep things legal! And ensure the (yet to be relased) DAP procedures only widens the loophole.

The game is pretty clear to me.

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Alius caedit, alius portat.
"No thanks," say the MoD and Armed Forces.
 
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GEM/2026/B/7724833

Munitions India Limited

RHA PLATES SIZE 1000 X 1000 X 100 MM THICK FOR STATIC PENETRATION PROOF OF INFLUENCE MINE MK-II SPECIFICATION NO. DEF ST AN 95-13, ISSUE NO.3. Quantity: 06 Nos.
 
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Hi, I have a question, we seems to have 3 different short range SAMs in Akash NG, VL-SRSAM and QRSAM.

I understand the difference in launch platforms and fire control systems, but why are missiles different? Why couldn't we have gone for a common missiles for all three usecases?

This seems to be duplication of work and wastage of money
 
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jmaxwell_ said:
Mahindra in shambles.

Ever since Israel announced they will use India to build their supply lines, the import lobby went into overdrive in complete cahoots with the RM, MoD and Armed Forces. Perhaps the PM himself. They get the latest tech, and cost benefits of scale through shared production.

The only casualty is Atmanirbharta. But this vision the PM had sold is popular with the people. So how do you implement the new plan?

Well in comes Dhoti manufacturer Kavita Fabrics. Sorry, not just any Dhoti, but synthetic Dhotis. You use them to bring in the Israeli products but keep the Atmanirbharta song and dance going under some Mahabharat sounding whitelabel. And use the EP route to keep things legal! And ensure the (yet to be relased) DAP procedures only widens the loophole.

The game is pretty clear to me.

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Alius caedit, alius portat.
"No thanks," say the MoD and Armed Forces.
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Why is Mahindra in shambles? Their mortar system is imported as well. Writing all this diarrhoea before basic google search. Twitter dehati.
Barcid said:
Hi, I have a question, we seems to have 3 different short range SAMs in Akash NG, VL-SRSAM and QRSAM.

I understand the difference in launch platforms and fire control systems, but why are missiles different? Why couldn't we have gone for a common missiles for all three usecases?

This seems to be duplication of work and wastage of money
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Major components are still shared or derived from existing technologies i.e. seekers, propulsion, warhead etc. Remaining design decisions are based on requirements by the users. All three of these projects have unique user requirement.
 
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