Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

This recently came up. The Army is becoming more articulate with what it wants to buy/use and how it wants to do so. After the constant issuance and withdrawal of RFIs for almost everything, this is rather heartening to see. I do hope they keep building tech competency and better plan for the equipment they need.(y)
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The carrier vehicle is stated to be a 4x4 in-service vehicle with 2.5 ton payload capacity. The one that fits the bill is this : Tata Defence Load Carrier LPTA 713.
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The missile is supposed to have 25 km range, accuracy of 2m CEP, with on-board navigation and terminal guidance with a passive IR seeker. The one that comes to my mind is this : Stand-off Anti-Tank(SANT) missile.
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Speculated to have a range around 20 kms with a terminal stage active seeker(W-band), meant to be launched from airborne platforms.(helos, drones, CAS aircraft). It was flight tested from a Mi-35 Hind.

It would need to be altered a bit for the Army's needs but its no big deal. Range would need to be increased from 20 to 25 kms, active seeker to be replaced by a passive one(just use the one from NAG/MPATGM) and there you have what you need, more or less. :p

The weapon load out is just confusing. They want one or two pods to be carried, each firing 24 missiles. So that's 24 to 48 missiles on each truck. The payload capacity of the truck is 2.5 tons. Assuming a truck is carrying 48 missiles simple division gives you 52.08 kg/missile. The "pods", hydraulics, support systems etc. will have some weight of its own. So each missile will have to be less than or ~50 kg each. We don't know the weight of the SANT as it was never published but it would be reasonable to assume that this is the biggest hurdle of this project would be the weight. DRDO has a long and unpleasant history of making things over-weight.

But let's assume they get it done. The possibilities are immense. The missile could be hand loaded if needed, I mean this is the Artillery Regiment we are talking about, they deal with heavy artillery rounds everyday.
What are your thoughts ? @Parthu @randomradio @BlackOpsIndia @vstol Jockey @Falcon @Ashwin
 
This recently came up. The Army is becoming more articulate with what it wants to buy/use and how it wants to do so. After the constant issuance and withdrawal of RFIs for almost everything, this is rather heartening to see. I do hope they keep building tech competency and better plan for the equipment they need.(y)
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The carrier vehicle is stated to be a 4x4 in-service vehicle with 2.5 ton payload capacity. The one that fits the bill is this : Tata Defence Load Carrier LPTA 713.
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The missile is supposed to have 25 km range, accuracy of 2m CEP, with on-board navigation and terminal guidance with a passive IR seeker. The one that comes to my mind is this : Stand-off Anti-Tank(SANT) missile.
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Speculated to have a range around 20 kms with a terminal stage active seeker(W-band), meant to be launched from airborne platforms.(helos, drones, CAS aircraft). It was flight tested from a Mi-35 Hind.

It would need to be altered a bit for the Army's needs but its no big deal. Range would need to be increased from 20 to 25 kms, active seeker to be replaced by a passive one(just use the one from NAG/MPATGM) and there you have what you need, more or less. :p

The weapon load out is just confusing. They want one or two pods to be carried, each firing 24 missiles. So that's 24 to 48 missiles on each truck. The payload capacity of the truck is 2.5 tons. Assuming a truck is carrying 48 missiles simple division gives you 52.08 kg/missile. The "pods", hydraulics, support systems etc. will have some weight of its own. So each missile will have to be less than or ~50 kg each. We don't know the weight of the SANT as it was never published but it would be reasonable to assume that this is the biggest hurdle of this project would be the weight. DRDO has a long and unpleasant history of making things over-weight.

But let's assume they get it done. The possibilities are immense. The missile could be hand loaded if needed, I mean this is the Artillery Regiment we are talking about, they deal with heavy artillery rounds everyday.
What are your thoughts ? @Parthu @randomradio @BlackOpsIndia @vstol Jockey @Falcon @Ashwin


 
I have seen that video before. Artillery guys having some fun.:ROFLMAO:
But what does that have to do with the proposed MRPKS I've posted above ?
I believe the IA is looking to mount these systems on a 4 x 4. I don't think it's the SANT but something on the lines of the BM-21 GRAD, the RFI for MRPKS is all about.
 
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I believe the IA is looking to mount these systems on a 4 x 4. I don't think it's the SANT but something on the lines of the BM-21 GRAD, the RFI for MRPKS is all about.
In dimensions sure the MRPKS is similar to the GRAD. But what about features ? Does the GRAD offer the kind of precision that is being demanded by the Army ? On the document the first line of Operational justification of Proposal states that the current MLRS cannot be employed precisely in the mountains. Then it talks bout the Pinaka and Smerch, the Grad doesn't even get a mention. That's why I brought up the SANT, not because of size but precision. Again the SANT is meant to be a AGM not a rocket artillery, so it would need to be modified.
 
In dimensions sure the MRPKS is similar to the GRAD. But what about features ? Does the GRAD offer the kind of precision that is being demanded by the Army ? On the document the first line of Operational justification of Proposal states that the current MLRS cannot be employed precisely in the mountains. Then it talks bout the Pinaka and Smerch, the Grad doesn't even get a mention. That's why I brought up the SANT, not because of size but precision. Again the SANT is meant to be a AGM not a rocket artillery, so it would need to be modified.


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In dimensions sure the MRPKS is similar to the GRAD. But what about features ? Does the GRAD offer the kind of precision that is being demanded by the Army ? On the document the first line of Operational justification of Proposal states that the current MLRS cannot be employed precisely in the mountains. Then it talks bout the Pinaka and Smerch, the Grad doesn't even get a mention. That's why I brought up the SANT, not because of size but precision. Again the SANT is meant to be a AGM not a rocket artillery, so it would need to be modified.

I guess the combination of these will

BM-21MT Multiple Launch Rocket System | Military-Today.com
Israeli-Made Bolt-On Kit Turns 122mm 'Grad' Artillery Rockets Into Precision Weapons
 
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This recently came up. The Army is becoming more articulate with what it wants to buy/use and how it wants to do so. After the constant issuance and withdrawal of RFIs for almost everything, this is rather heartening to see. I do hope they keep building tech competency and better plan for the equipment they need.(y)
View attachment 6247

The carrier vehicle is stated to be a 4x4 in-service vehicle with 2.5 ton payload capacity. The one that fits the bill is this : Tata Defence Load Carrier LPTA 713.
View attachment 6249

The missile is supposed to have 25 km range, accuracy of 2m CEP, with on-board navigation and terminal guidance with a passive IR seeker. The one that comes to my mind is this : Stand-off Anti-Tank(SANT) missile.
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Speculated to have a range around 20 kms with a terminal stage active seeker(W-band), meant to be launched from airborne platforms.(helos, drones, CAS aircraft). It was flight tested from a Mi-35 Hind.

It would need to be altered a bit for the Army's needs but its no big deal. Range would need to be increased from 20 to 25 kms, active seeker to be replaced by a passive one(just use the one from NAG/MPATGM) and there you have what you need, more or less. :p

The weapon load out is just confusing. They want one or two pods to be carried, each firing 24 missiles. So that's 24 to 48 missiles on each truck. The payload capacity of the truck is 2.5 tons. Assuming a truck is carrying 48 missiles simple division gives you 52.08 kg/missile. The "pods", hydraulics, support systems etc. will have some weight of its own. So each missile will have to be less than or ~50 kg each. We don't know the weight of the SANT as it was never published but it would be reasonable to assume that this is the biggest hurdle of this project would be the weight. DRDO has a long and unpleasant history of making things over-weight.

But let's assume they get it done. The possibilities are immense. The missile could be hand loaded if needed, I mean this is the Artillery Regiment we are talking about, they deal with heavy artillery rounds everyday.
What are your thoughts ? @Parthu @randomradio @BlackOpsIndia @vstol Jockey @Falcon @Ashwin

Not SANT but a guided rocket.

If we fire that many SANTs at once, we will be broke by the next day.
 
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How reliable is **** ? This : http://****/a-second-astra-bvr-aam-variant-to-get-go-head-soon/ says Astra missile is awaiting approval for commencement of development of a Astra missile with an IR seeker.
 
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Sir, could you please name the missile too, along with the image for newbies like me, who can't identify the missile by just looking at the picture?
The one in the picture is the Astra MK-I. Here is another picture.
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This is how Astra MK-II will probably look.
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The ranges given are probably in the Tail chase mode. If you want to know more about the Astra MK-I read posts #328, #340 and #343 on this thread.
 
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Guess which missile is this

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Ah you already posted it. Here is the same pic with the caption as was in the document.

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This looks like Astra Mk2.
Agreed. It seems were are at final stages of refining the aerodynamics of the Astra Mk2. We should have ground fire tests soon enough followed by carriage and flight test.
I do hope the fins are foldable. That would be very beneficial as it saves space incase of internal carriage of the missile by AMCA.