Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion


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When he says it's 60% indigenized, I think he means the launcher, not the rockets.
 
It's the right move until our Pinaka LRGR programme matures.
The offer to develop 200km range ER versions was made in 2021-22. By now the rockets could have been under user trial. EP has become a tool to quickly acquire systems that the forces use to "fill in gaps asap" post incidents or changing battle tactics as they see them happening abroad. The need for a push for these versions has been there for a long time pre-Sindoor and RU-Ukr. I cannot blame the MoD babus here. The initiative lies with the forces. It was not like Solar & DRDO were incapable of delivering a decent product. They have become come comfortable with a reactive thought process.

Solar has submitted proposals to manufacture two high-mobility long-range precision rocket systems, Maheshwarastra-1 (range of 150 km) and Maheshwarastra-2 (range of 250 km), under the Make II category of the Make in India initiative. Besides, Solar has developed a counter-drone system called Bhargavastra, which can destroy up to 16 drones in seven seconds and deploy 64 missiles through the system. Company has already tested this mechanism and can develop its own capabilities at making counterdrones in the next two years.

 
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The offer to develop 200km range ER versions was made in 2021-22. By now the rockets could have been under user trial. EP has become a tool to quickly acquire systems that the forces use to "fill in gaps asap" post incidents or changing battle tactics as they see them happening abroad. The need for a push for these versions has been there for a long time pre-Sindoor and RU-Ukr. I cannot blame the MoD babus here. The initiative lies with the forces. It was not like Solar & DRDO were incapable of delivering a decent product. They have become come comfortable with a reactive thought process.

Solar has submitted proposals to manufacture two high-mobility long-range precision rocket systems, Maheshwarastra-1 (range of 150 km) and Maheshwarastra-2 (range of 250 km), under the Make II category of the Make in India initiative. Besides, Solar has developed a counter-drone system called Bhargavastra, which can destroy up to 16 drones in seven seconds and deploy 64 missiles through the system. Company has already tested this mechanism and can develop its own capabilities at making counterdrones in the next two years.

It's true that domestic products need to go through more rigorous trials and tribulations to get inducted by our armed-forces. But eventually self-reliance is the ONLY goal that matters. Till then Israeli, French & Russian weapons/platforms will continue to serve as stop-gap. We can't ignore advances made by the enemy too and need to react on time which makes these imports imperative.
 
Till then Israeli, French & Russian weapons/platforms will continue to serve as stop-gap. We can't ignore advances made by the enemy too and need to react on time which makes these imports imperative.
I understand where you are coming from. However, in this case, what was needed was time and an investment commitment. The product would've been developed and delivered if they had the foresight. Folks talk about forex reserves and somehow neglect the fact that this outflow can be prevented by proper planning. I will have to disagree with you in this case. The domestic SCN was capable of delivering the kind of range that was needed. The fact remains that this is another EP that could have been avoided. There was no need to react, there was a need to plan better in order to effectively counter the changes that were taking place in late 2010s.
 
PG-HSLD was likely a TD project for TARA family PGMs and has now been foreclosed. The IAF wants to develop a powered glide kit for HSLD with eo/ir terminal guidance.

No, PGHSLD is like JDAM. 30 km range with INS + with and without SAL. It also comes in a winged version with more range for NLOS targeting, meaning targeting provided by soldiers, ground vehicles, drones etc. The winged version without SAL is just a cheap mass-delivered bomb with large area of effect.

Tara is a long range glide bomb with INS + IIR seeker, like SPICE. Expensive precision.

Both have their uses.
 
No, PGHSLD is like JDAM. 30 km range with INS + with and without SAL. It also comes in a winged version with more range for NLOS targeting, meaning targeting provided by soldiers, ground vehicles, drones etc. The winged version without SAL is just a cheap mass-delivered bomb with large area of effect.

Tara is a long range glide bomb with INS + IIR seeker, like SPICE. Expensive precision.

Both have their uses.

Winged version of PG-HSLD got developed into TARA. EO/IIR seeker is optional in TARA, GPS guided versions will be used mostly. AASM Hammer will fill the capability gap left by PG-HSLD while being more flexible in employment. For low intensity/COIN conflicts we will keep on using Griffin and Paveway kits.
 
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I understand where you are coming from. However, in this case, what was needed was time and an investment commitment. The product would've been developed and delivered if they had the foresight. Folks talk about forex reserves and somehow neglect the fact that this outflow can be prevented by proper planning. I will have to disagree with you in this case. The domestic SCN was capable of delivering the kind of range that was needed. The fact remains that this is another EP that could have been avoided. There was no need to react, there was a need to plan better in order to effectively counter the changes that were taking place in late 2010s.

DRDO was still developing the 120 km version of Pinaka. Testing started only last year. They can't just leave older programs pending and start new ones.

As for EP from Israel, there's a larger strategy at play here. Israel wants to develop India as a major production hub for all their weapons as an alternate supplier, so they need India to place sufficient orders to make production viable. And that works out for us too 'cause they intend to transfer the most advanced technologies possible.
 
Winged version of PG-HSLD got developed into TARA. EO/IIR seeker is optional in TARA, GPS guided versions will be used mostly. AASM Hammer will fill the capability gap left by PG-HSLD while being more flexible in employment. For low intensity/COIN conflicts we will keep on using Griffin and Paveway kits.

Both PGHSLD and TARA are different programs. One is JDAM-class, wing and non-winged, former already inducted. The other is SPICE class with longer range, in development, early production.

PGHSLD was developed by ARDE and TARA by RCI.

Yes, both have removable seekers. It's slightly more questionable for PGHSLD 'cause the nose also carries the GPS antenna so any seeker removal will require nose replacement with just the GPS antenna and canards. The winged version won't require canards, but comes with SAL. The overall design of TARA is far more modular.

But both are different designs built for different purposes. TARA has a low-wing design like SPICE 1000 while PGHSLD has a high-wing design like Gaurav.