Dear Sir,
Your instructions received and understood. Perhaps you did not understand, or chose not to understand my reply: there is no need for the NSG.
Your laughter is also noted. I am humbly delighted to have brightened your day.
Indian Police (Special Units): SWAT & QRTs
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Dear Sir,
Your instructions received and understood. Perhaps you did not understand, or chose not to understand my reply: there is no need for the NSG.
Your laughter is also noted. I am humbly delighted to have brightened your day.
Dear Sir,
A cursory glance through the Dharma Vira Commission Report might enlighten a lot of dark corners. IMHO, there is no need to create a police state in our quest for security; democracies do not work that way. As it is, the BJP government has successfully undermined every institution that it could; giving them access to data with which to feed an already undermined institution such as the police (in its central avatar) is to put a lit match to a fuel dump.
Instead of more Rungroot Jojep Sulaiman type constables, we need better trained, better sensitised community friendly policemen.
We are zigging instead of zagging.
Of course, you are free to burst into laughter like the other learned gentleman.
Dear Sir,
I am bonobashi and am available at [email protected] If you are friendly with the gentleman mentioned, you may enquire of him also, and compare ids.
No he isn't, I talked to Joe on the other place, tried to get him to join. Not sure if he will.
Sorry for the Trouble and Misunderstanding
It was just a wild Guess on my part ; Your writing style was similar to Joe Shearer
I don't agree with the assertions regarding India becoming a police state or about BJP apparently being the enemy of institutions. The BJP has primarily undermined the institutional rot that had set in, and "Lutyens Media" type groups who had carved a niche for themselves within the system thanks to the patronage of previous, corrupt, left leaning political dispensations.
Dear Sir, It is intriguing to read that a foreigner has an interest in Indian (or sub-continental) affairs. These days, the Americans have overshot the British. Your friend is probably a specialist in Indian legal matters.
Dear Sir,
You may or may not agree, and you may put it in terms of a clique that may or may not exist; that is your opinion, to which each of us is entitled; however, there are reasons to think otherwise. If you wish, I can enumerate them, but do not wish to embarrass you.
@Hellfire
Dear Sir, Some intriguing details. What is 'the other place' that people are referring to? And who is taking up the time of redoubtable members like the gentleman above?
and again you still haven't answer the question
Ie why the need for the NSG - operationally ! (again keep politics aside)
I laughed because you suggest that the SPG to do CT and HRT roles ... where you still haven't answer this question too - ie what is the role for the SPG?
What you are suggesting is having the FBI and local LE to do away with their HRT and SWAT teams and having the Secret service to do every thing!
Dear Sir,
A hostile person might have defined that as 'wishful thinking'. On a point of personal curiousity, what did you mean by 'an apparent understanding of English'? I agree with you about the quality of my comments, incidentally.
Dear Sir,
I humbly apologise. As @Hellfire will tell you, it is important to recognise one's friends and enemies alike. I will not give you further discomfort.
Request all to discuss the topic, instead of the poster...... There will be difference of views, and that is the very basic of any forum...... But let us respect each other and focus on topic.....
Sir.
The basic role of the police force is to enforce the rule of law in a civil and non-lethal manner. The day the Indian Police start undertaking their designated roles seriously, there are ample laws to support them in their endeavour.
Biggest problem for any law enforcement agency remains in credibility. The threat of use of power has greater effect as opposed to use of power. A case in example is the formative years of the Syrian conflict. A disproportionate and rampant crackdown created enough fissures and disconnect between government, governance and the country that the exploitation of the same by detrimental powers (to the state) was but a foregone conclusion.
Similarly, Indian scenario demands a greater emphasis in policing, strengthening of LUs of the State and also a synergistic approach in law enforcement with commonality of data and DNA bank as also a nodal agency to act as a coordinator and not as as an administrator amongst various state police forces.
For that, the police needs to be shifted from a state pool to a central all India services pool, something that is not likely.
Additionally, a clear demarcation must exist on the scope of police forces. Example of US has been cited. The increased militarisation of US police forces was felt and is justified on the basis of lethal weapons available to common US citizen. That is not the case in India.
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Kind sir.
NSG has two aspects - SRG and SAG. The former is now more of a status symbol save for the SPG which provides cover to the PM and the latter has roles in terms of Anti-terror and anti-hijacking specialisation.
What you have missed by a mile is that the latter is exclusively army. Need I say more?
This is the basic foundation, that the good gentleman had missed. Thank you, Sir, very kindly.
What you missed by a mile is the earlier post by @bonobashi who question the need for Local QRT and NSG ...where in his words the Ghatak platoons from local army cantonment and SPG can go it better. Please do read up on earlier post!!
NSG -SAG and SRG .... like Duh!? u think i didn't know that!!?
and as usually @bonobashi fails to answer to why the NSG was formed and Needed!!
Hint: Mandate! and Role!
Dear Sir,
That mandate and that role were born out of the wrong analyses and the wrong conclusions. I maintain, as I did, that there is no earthly use for the NSG.
There is nothing in a local QRT that prevents a local Ghatak platoon from matching its time of reaction; there is nothing in it that prevents a local Ghatak team from knowing all about the location and its proximity; there is above all nothing about a QRT that prevents it from decaying in the manner that all State government organisations, entities and bodies decay.