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He's living up to the Parsi genes he's inherited. Where's @vsdoc when you need him
He is on PDF , Padamchen ID ,
I guess
That guy , Padamchen also
Uses the words "Cheers Doc " Like
@vsdoc
Right now he is banned on PDF also
And here he has been permanently banned
Khalistani Supporters Wanted to Turn January 26 into Jallianwala Bagh 2.0. Delhi Police Didn’t Fall into the Trap - News18
The violence witnessed near Red Fort on Republic Day holds lessons for the law-enforcement agencies and the Delhi Police
www.news18.com
To all those born in & after 1991 , pls do read this article. It gives you a good perspective on how we as a nation evolved, rose up & met severe challenges that many worldwide didn't expect us to meet up to or survive.
A cursory look at the nations keeping us company in that list should clarify any doubts. I may also add that a Readers Digest book of 1985 that I chanced upon more than a decade later had an article by The CIA Factbook which listed India along with Yugoslavia as two nations not expected to survive in its current form in the 21st century.
They held pretty much the same view about the former SU since the early 50's given their economic policies but were unsure when would if happen & it's fallout about which they were extremely apprehensive for obvious reasons. Iraq came onto their radar only in 1990 -91 after the 1st Gulf War. That's when the West started actively working on it's various fault lines.
You may also find this interesting & worth a revisit after all the time.
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Such doomsday predictions for India have been right from 1947 when we became Independent. We all know that all of them have been proven wrong. And as India's GDP grows, India will continue to become stronger.
The whole idea was to make Police open Fire and then it would have created a " Jallianwala Bagh Moment "Khalistani Supporters Wanted to Turn January 26 into Jallianwala Bagh 2.0. Delhi Police Didn’t Fall into the Trap - News18
The violence witnessed near Red Fort on Republic Day holds lessons for the law-enforcement agencies and the Delhi Police
Sikhs weren't swinging their swords on Britishers in JWB.
Propaganda aside, every nation knows how much restraint Delhi police showed. Khalistanis tried to do politics over dead bodies. Can Indian sikhs ask Canadian or American ones that can they try to run over cops or block roads of capitals for months for any reason?
Rail roko Al-britannia style
This is what policing looks like, and explained.
Rahul's 'north-south' remark: Senior Congress leaders raise questions | India News - Times of India
India News: NEW DELHI: Rahul Gandhi, who is under opposition fire for praising the people of Kerala and comparing them with voters of the north, has now come unde.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
Depends on what you consider Sikhi. I guess in these times anyone opposing you qualifies as an RSS person. You're in luck for barring the farmers from Punjab, Haryana & western UP ( most if not all of them exploited the MSP to offload their produce in the mandis of Haryana & Punjab) practically the entire farming community is in support of this move. I guess that makes all of them Sanghis or bhakts & since name calling & ad hominems is the name of the game, in their view you'd be a Khalistani.Now you will teach me about Sikhi, Sikhism and Sikhs! And now a RSS guy make criticism of JATT Sikhs and Sikhi is beyond me. RSS promoted manuvadis and brahmins, which promoted castism, who has all Brahman heads except one high cast Rajput is teaching me about castism in Sikhs (I never know till about the cast background of Akaltakhat jathedar till date, similarly I never know the cast of RSS Head till recently, after the farmer agitation started). SGPC is controlled by SAD Badal faction a close aly of RSS for a long time. I am sure you can enlight us that RSS would have conveyed its reservations regarding plight of non Jatt Sikhs in Punjab and regarding non Jatt Sikh Jathedar!
Frankly, not a great RSS fan here but they do have their positives apart from their negatives weighing more on the former & l see them as a necessary evil in these times. Not that they need me or anyone to defend them, nor would I be interested in it but just to set the record straight the RSS is a private socio cultural organization. Whether they have only Brahmins as their members or as their head, it doesn't really matter as they aren't answerable to anybody in this land except that they conform to the Constitution which they did in an undertaking by Golwalkar to Sardar Patel.
The SGPC on the other hand is a government recognised public trust- a body charged with being the custodian of the shrines of a particular community which happens to be the Sikhs here & answerable to both the people they administer to as well as the government of the day . Perhaps you should be conversant of what the law says before jumping to conclusions.
You don't know the caste of the jathedars of the Akal Takht or the various CMs of the Punjab since it's reorganization since it doesn't suit your agenda. You see if ignorance of a particular fact doesn't harm you or is detrimental to your position when it doesn't affect you, why wouldn't you be ignorant. OTOH every Ramgarhia, Saini, Nirankari, Mazhabi etc is painfully aware of this fact . Hence the various Deras. The Ravidasiyas & Ad Dharmis have gone one step ahead & declared themselves a separate religion - vaqri quam.
For all the venom JuttSikhi had & still does pour on Brahmins ever since the so called Singh Sabha reforms including Bhindranwale who repeatedly called IG dhee di putar to panditain, the same vocabulary resonates today as you very well put it, baniyas from Gujarat. Tomm you may have a similar problem with Rajputs or Ahirs or Gujjars or even fellow Hindu Jats & similar slogans would resonate.
Yet for all the anti caste sentiments expressed by Sikhs & it's Gurus ( & the Gurus were genuinely anti caste, so was the panth it attempted to create & so were the Panj Pyare initiated by Guru Gobind Singh ji, ) exactly, how caste free is JuttSikhi? A video below gives some idea.
As far as the RSS's stance on the rise of Christianity & conversions to their fold from Sikhi this article ought to come as an eye opener. Especially the role of the SAD ( & the Congress too though it's not explicitly mentioned here in this article.
On a personal note, a year back on a working cum business tour lasting 2 weeks in the Punjab after a long long time, I was shocked to note the presence of grand churches in practically every city & town across Punjab. They were even present in some of the most remote villages in the Majha Doab area, the extreme North & of course the Malwa region.
Old friends there confirmed what the article states that it's being done right under the noses of the administration with their connivance. I expect JuttSikhi thinks support for the church here means easy visas to Kaneda or some such convoluted thinking only your lot is capable of coming up .
Ghar wapsi in Punjab? RSS converts Christians to Sikhism, raises Akali ire
As the ‘Ghar Wapsi’ agenda gains momentum, the Hindu right it seems is extending these ceremonies to Sikhism as well and helping Christians become Sikhs again.
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Answered this one. Scroll above. Frankly, the RSS hasn't once opposed the Jutt Sikhs or voiced any misgivings against them. They've never done so when under Bhindranwale's instructions, RSS members & shakhas were deliberately targeted for no other reason save being overt Hindu organizations & in a massive way in the aftermath of the Op BS, IG's assassination & the Delhi pogrom of Sikhs. In spite of bitter provocation by these terrorists the RSS never once took the bait of calling for retaliation against Sikhs or flinched from condemning the Congress pogrom in Delhi & other parts of N India in the aftermath of IG's assassination. Even in the recent last they've held their counsel in the wake of assassinations of high ranking RSS office bearers from the Punjab. You ought to know that more than anybody out here.
Explained: The 100-year journey of SGPC, ‘mother of SAD’
There have been no SGPC elections for the last nine years and the leadership has failed to act on the report about the 328 missing copies of Guru Granth Sahib, arguably the biggest issue to grip the body in recent times.
indianexpress.com
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SAD’s dominance over SGPC
SAD had won the 1979 SGPC elections in which the hardliner Damdami Taksal and Dal Khlasa also contested unsuccessfully. This was followed by 1984 Operation Blue Star and militancy. The troubled period allowed Gurcharan Singh Tohra to become the longest serving president of SGPC. Tohra served as its chief for 26 years. The next SGPC elections were held in 1996 and it was followed by the formation of SAD government in the state in alliance with Bhartiya Janata Party in 1997.
This also started a new era where the appointment of SGPC president came to be decided by the party high command. The SAD high command allowed Avtar Singh Makkar, who was almost unknown in Akali politics, to become SGPC president in 2005 and he remained on the post for 11 years. Incumbent president Gobind Singh Longowal was also appointed by the party high command despite his limited experience with SGPC.Click to follow Express Explained on Telegram
The present crisis
There have been no SGPC elections for the last nine years and the leadership has failed to act on the report about the 328 missing copies of Guru Granth Sahib, arguably the biggest issue to grip the body in recent times. This is why there have been unprecedented protests outside the SGPC office in Amritsar.
I've remarked before that JuttSikhi has very successfully established the equation JuttSikhi= Sikhi. Therefore every issue in it's favour is automatically deemed as beneficial to Sikhi & every issue damaging to it is obviously something damaging to Sikhi . It's the 1970's & Dharam Yudh movement all over again. Except to your misfortune, there's no Longowal or Zail Singh / Darbara Singh, no IG & most importantly no Bhindranwale.
Yes. 26th Jan was obviously the handiwork of Sanghis / chaddis / bhakts. Do you have any more Santa Banta jokes?
Yawn.
Yawn + Yawn
Some issues you've raised were addressed earlier. The other sounds like conspiracy theories of the northern counterpart of Capt Ajith Vadakayil. Who's he? Make google your ally. You may find a kindred soul in him.
Btw the farmer's unity or Jutt landlords unity one was a real killer. You ought to share more such jokes.
Yawn + Yawn + Yawn
I thought Guru Nanak Dev's teachings would be both irreverent & irrelevant were there no casteism among Hindus. As would a lot of other saints including Basavanna among a multitude of others. Would that be a good thing? Think hard & answer if you must.
Thanks for quoting what I wrote back to me. I wonder when will you reciprocate the sentiment for the underprivileged & exploited LC Sikhs just as your heart beats for their hindu counterparts.
I believe the head priest is to be a Dalit.
‘Trained 5,000 Dalits As Priests Across The Country’: Vishwa Hindu Parishad
As part of its effort to end the practice of caste discrimination and untouchability in the society, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad has succeeded in training around 5,000 Dalits as priests across the country, a VHP leader claimed on Friday (21 August)
swarajyamag.com
Kerala Dalit priests: ‘Any Hindu can be a Brahmin’
Shaju Philip meets the five who made the cut and finds a new generation of Dalit priests, armed with degrees from some prominent Vedic colleges, and at ease with rituals, having learnt the ropes in private temples across the state
indianexpress.com
TTD trains Dalit, tribal priests, ushers in social reformation
500 youth to be employed in temples built in their areas
However, you're missing the wood for the trees here. Whatever the code in the Vedic age, castes & casteism had become an inalienable feature of Hinduism. This bane of Hinduism is what was counted as one of the reasons why natives converted to Abrahamic faiths
& Dharmic ones like Buddhism, Jainism & Sikhi.
What's the point of Sikhi & the other faiths if the converted are to face the same issues they did with their original faith? If any thing events coupled with Constitutional privileges have eroded casteism among the Hindus though there's still a long way to go.
OTOH, Sikhi started out as an anti casteist sect. How do you explain the presence of casteism in it? The fact is at the end of the day the reformist impulse in Hinduism prevailed. Why wasn't something similar observed in Sikhi wrt to the Mazhabis & other down trodden castes there?
You're merely parroting my views to me in the absence of a convincing point or argument. So let me ask you again why hasn't Punjab had a single non Jutt Sikh CM since Zail Singh & not a single Mazhabi Sikh as the Jathedar of the Akal Takht.
You lost me at this point.I'm actually trying very hard to take you seriously & to curb my instincts to troll you.
Wake me up when it does.
Another thing, as far as electoral politics go, Punjab never mattered much in the electoral calculations of the BJP camp. They'd be even less today. Left unsaid is the fact that the reforms & other action to follow stays.
I was about to echo you for once . This feeling of superiority among JuttSikhs right from we saved your lot - if Hindus survive today it's coz of us , to taking the Hindus down a peg or two , to relentless attacks on overt symbols or organizations like the RSS or vicious abuses of Brahmins & against various traditions & practises among Hindus has to stop. This is where I differ from the RSS .They'd still prefer mollycoddlling your lot while I prefer taking your lot headlong. It seems Modi is doing exactly that in his own way . These laws would go a long way in addressing socialsocial injustice in Punjab when it happens & this will be remembered as a seminal moment in that history whenever it's written.
Modi's centralisation of welfare delivery has a cost that BJP's state leaders are paying
The disconnect between assembly and Lok Sabha election results for BJP were not due to a momentary surge of nationalism but rather a larger structural shift in Indian electoral politics.
theprint.in
Very Interesting Article theorising into the reason why Modi may have won the 2019 general election at the cost of state elections held around the same time where the BJP performance was sub par.
Mashallah!
Forget all your historic holy places, embrace invaders as rulers and then blame EVMs for loss in election.
Indian Secularism on steroids!!
Forget all your historic holy places, embrace invaders as rulers and then blame EVMs for loss in election.
Indian Secularism on steroids!!