Indo-France Aero Engine Co-Development Program
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So it means that 114 plane deal is contingent upon Engine Technology
Also what happened to Rolls Royce
Engine partnership
Rolls-Royce ready to co-develop, manufacture fighter aircraft engines in India
Rolls-Royce's India and South Asia president Kishore Jayaraman says co-development is in line with ‘atmanirbhar’ design and manufacturing initiative.
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All decks cleared for 114 Rafales all built in India....
France is back with vengeance after Australia deal jeopardized by US. Now they will claim their pound of flesh by pushing out F21, F18 and even GE414 from AMCA....
Good for India if IPR is transferred to India...,
France is back with vengeance after Australia deal jeopardized by US. Now they will claim their pound of flesh by pushing out F21, F18 and even GE414 from AMCA....
Good for India if IPR is transferred to India...,
Here is the video of the event.
Looks like it's just licence production of M88 with indian partner. Safran has a substantial offset backlog to fullfil.
How could it be M88 if they are claiming that such an engine doesn't exist even in France...
I believe it’ll be similar to Turbomeca/Safan Ardiden TM333 aka Shakti Turboshaft engine we produce in India for all our helicopters. It’s a very good proposition nonetheless which will give us sufficient level of autonomy to design our fighter jets based on a reliable and modern jet engine.
So Americans can’t blackmail us in future, like they did last time with GE 404 of LCA.
But one question is still not answered as to what power output they are aiming for. As the current M88 is underpowered to a SE fighter like MWF and even for a TE design like AMCA.
We need at least two variants one Higher thrust for MWF and Lower thrust for AMCA and TEDBF
France agrees to make military engine in India
Highlighting recent visits by his counterparts from the US, Russia and France, Singh said he has been conveying at the top level that manufacturing defence equipment in India is a high priority for security.
Manu Pubby corrected it here.
"I am happy to say that the French defence minister has agreed that for an engine that is not being made in India, a big French company will come here and will make it in India under the strategic partnership model,"
Indian modified Rafales don't exist in France either. Or like how Lockheed is selling a brand new F-21 never been used in America plane.
If sakti engine is that much versatile, why we are now pursuing for development of an indigenous turbo shaft egine of same class?
Recent chatter on Twitter reports that the French offer is indeed to set up a plant to manufacture turboshafts for military heptrs.
Wonder what does it do for the HAL indigenous program though ?
France Proposes To Develop Rafale Fighter Jets In India; Collaboration On Aero-Engine Technology In Pipeline
France and India are looking to further cement further their defense relations under which Rafale fighters and even aero-engines for the jets could be made in India, as per reports.
France Proposes To Develop Rafale Fighter Jets In India; Collaboration On Aero-Engine Technology In Pipeline
France and India are looking to further cement ties under which Rafale fighters & aero-engines for the jets could be made in India.
eurasiantimes.com
French firm & HAL in talks to make new indigenous chopper engine, power ‘Make in India’ push
HAL is working on a twin-engine, multi-role, multi-mission chopper of about 13-tonne weightage, termed the Indian Multi-Role Helicopter (IMRH), with more endurance than Mi-17s.
By Snehesh Alex Philip, 20 December 2021, 8:00 AM IST
Indian Army Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) Rudra MK-IV | Commons
New Delhi: French defence major Safran and the state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) are in talks to jointly and indigenously manufacture a new engine that will power India’s plans to have its own medium weight military helicopters.
These new rotary aircraft will replace the Russian Mi-17 transport helicopters in the coming years. There is also a possibility of a new combat chopper in the same class as the American Apache.
Sources in the defence and security establishment said that the engines will be manufactured to power different types of medium weight helicopters that the HAL is working on to meet the demand of the Air Force, Navy and the Army.
At an event organised Saturday by industry chamber FICCI, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh had said that during his talks with his French counterpart Florence Parly last week, discussions on the engines took place. The thrust of his talks was to ask French defence firms to either collaborate with Indian companies or simply produce in India.
“I am happy to say that the French government has agreed that a big French company will come to India and produce an engine, currently not made in the country, under the strategic partnership with an Indian company,” he had said at the seminar.
The sources said this was related to helicopter engines and the Indian company that will enter into a strategic partnership with Safran is HAL. The sources refused to elaborate whether this investment will be part of the offsets that Safran has to complete as part of the Rafale deal.
The HAL currently manufactures the LCH (Light Combat Helicopter) and the multi-role ALH (Advanced Light Helicopter), besides the Chetak choppers. Incidentally, both the ALH and the LCH are powered by Ardiden 1H1 Shakti, co-developed by HAL and Safran.
The sources said that while this is license manufactured by HAL, the new engine will be made under the strategic partnership, which will involve transfer of technology.
IMRH reason for India-France collaboration
The defence sources explained that the HAL is working on a twin-engine, multi-role, multi-mission chopper of about 13-tonne weightage, known as the Indian Multi-Role Helicopter (IMRH).
This helicopter is meant to replace the various variants of Russian Mi-17 helicopters which are the workhorse of the Indian Air Force, which operates a total of about 250 of them.
The phasing out of the earlier versions of these helicopters are to begin around 2028, with the latest versions, Mi-17V5 (inducted since 2011), to be the last to be phased out.
The HAL is looking at a helicopter which will have more endurance than the Mi-17s and will be used for a wide variety of operations, including transport, VVIP travel, search and rescue besides others, the sources said.
The HAL also plans to manufacture a medium weight combat helicopter in the future, which will rival the American Apache currently in service with the IAF. It will also offer a naval variant to the Indian Navy, which is also in need of medium weight choppers.
(Edited by Saikat Niyogi)
French firm & HAL in talks to make new indigenous chopper engine, power ‘Make in India’ push
HAL is working on a twin-engine, multi-role, multi-mission chopper of about 13-tonne weightage, termed the Indian Multi-Role Helicopter (IMRH), with more endurance than Mi-17s.
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This is probably reference to a custom version of their Aneto-1K engine which is already flying.
www.flightglobal.com
Aneto engine for AW189K helicopter gains approval, but orders remain unclear
European regulators on 12 December approved the Safran Helicopter Engines Aneto-1K turboshaft that will power the Leonardo Helicopters AW189K super-medium twin.
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What I understand is that they are talking about helicopter engine development, not fighter jet engine development, though I could be wrong. Open to correction.All decks cleared for 114 Rafales all built in India....
France is back with vengeance after Australia deal jeopardized by US. Now they will claim their pound of flesh by pushing out F21, F18 and even GE414 from AMCA....
Good for India if IPR is transferred to India...,
France was always going to be the partner for our helicopter engine development plans for the IMRH.
There is no "in addition to". These fanboy accounts jumped the gun to make it "engine for AMCA" now face-saving.
