Indonesia orders 42 Rafale jets from France

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According to a serious economical french newspaper, 6 Rafale already sold to Indonesia.
Some more to come following next visit of french DM to Indonesia....

 
Le Rafale de Dassault Aviation atterrit en Indonésie

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Dassault Aviation Rafale lands in Indonesia


Indonesia has purchased six Rafales. Waiting for more. The visit of Florence Parly on Wednesday and Thursday could be the opportunity to complete the future Rafale fleet of the Indonesian air force.


New success for the Rafale in the export market. According to concordant sources, Dassault Aviation has signed an order with Indonesia for the sale of six Rafales. Waiting for more... The Minister of Defence, who will be in Indonesia on Wednesday and Thursday after postponing her visit in January, could obtain a new and more substantial order (between 30 and 36 aircraft). This first order is certainly modest but it is important for the aircraft manufacturer: it has put a foot in the door in a country that had never bought combat aircraft from France. It is also the assurance not of an assured success for a future order but of a solid and serious consideration from Indonesia.

It is therefore an important success for Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier, who has set himself the goal of selling the Rafale in a new country after having filled up with countries using the Mirage 2000 (Egypt, Qatar, India, UAE and Greece), with the exception of Taiwan and Peru. It should be noted that Croatia, which had never owned any Tricolor fighter aircraft, bought twelve second-hand Rafales, a contract carried out by the Directorate General of Armaments (DGA).

A budget taken from the Sukhoi

The contract for the six Rafales was probably financed by the Indonesian Ministry of Defence from a budget earmarked for the purchase of Sukhoi 35s (nearly 600 million dollars). The Americans strongly advised the Indonesians against signing a contract with the Russians, as they could have been sanctioned under the CAATSA (Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act), which punishes countries that buy arms from Russia. This cash therefore enabled Prabowo Subianto to buy his first six Rafales.

For the past two years, the Indonesian minister has also wanted to buy about 24 F-15 EXs from Boeing. Just as he wants to complete the Rafale fleet with about thirty additional aircraft from Dassault Aviation. Florence Parly's visit will be decisive for this new order.
 

Parly's Visit to Meet Prabowo & Fate of the Rafale Procurement Contract

OPINION - Alman Helvas Ali, CNBC Indonesia
09 February 2022 10:55
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Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto held a bilateral meeting with the French Defense Minister, Florence Parly.  (Doc. Indonesian Embassy in Paris)
Photo: Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto's meeting with the French Minister of the Armed Forces Florence Parly, some time ago (Doc. Indonesian Embassy in Paris)

French Minister of the Armed Forces Florence Parly is scheduled to land in Jakarta today, Wednesday (9/2/2022) night. Parly will hold a bilateral meeting with Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto the next day. It is certain that one of the main agendas carried by Parly is the continuation of the contract for 36 Rafale fighter jets made by Dassault Aviation, in addition to lobbying for the sale of Scorpene-class submarines made by the Naval Group. Previously, Parly was scheduled to visit Jakarta on January 22, 2022, but was postponed due to the worrying developments of Covid-19. The visit of the former Air France executive is special because Indonesia is the only country to visit in the Asia Pacific.

At the Defense Ministry Leadership Meeting on January 20, 2022, Prabowo stated that the contract for the acquisition of 36 Rafale fighter jets is currently awaiting contract activation. Rafale's contract is only one of several contracts signed by the Ministry of Defense in 2021 pending activation. The activation of these contracts will largely depend on the government's fiscal capacity, particularly financing from the Ministry of Finance for the Ministry of Defense in the 2022 fiscal year and beyond. If examined further, the activation of contracts signed by the Ministry of Defense in 2021 can be divided into two categories.

First, a contract that has received a Financing Source Determination (PSP) from the Minister of Finance Sri Mulyani Indrawati. Of the 31 activities that received PSP worth US$ 5.8 billion, at least two activities have been signed by the Ministry of Defense until the end of 2021. Two of them are related to the Indonesian Air Force weapon system, namely the Lead-In Fighter Trainer (LIFT) aircraft and its support and Multi Role Transport Tanker aircraft and their support. There is still time until April 30, 2022 for the Ministry of Defense to sign contracts for other activities that are accommodated in the PSP.


Second, a contract that has not yet received a PSP from Sri Mulyani. There are at least three activities whose contracts have been signed by the Ministry of Defense but are not yet included in the 2021 PSP, namely the purchase of Rafale fighter jets for 5.8 billion euros, the procurement of FREMM frigates for 4.1 billion and the acquisition of Bell 412 helicopters for an unknown value. For these contracts, financing certainty awaits the issuance of the PSP from Sri Mulyani this year. Towards the end of 2021, the Ministry of Defense has proposed four additional PSPs to Sri Mulyani for approval.

In the 2022 budget year, the Ministry of Defense will receive an allocation of IDR 3 trillion in Companion Pure Rupiah (RMP) from the Ministry of Finance. This value is in accordance with the author's article entitled "The Clouds of the 2022 Expenditure Financing" published by CNBC Indonesia on September 6, 2021. Even though the need for RMP this year is around Rp. 12 trillion (US$ 870 million) to accompany the 2021 PSP worth US$ 5.8 billion. In other words, only a small part of the contract in the 2021 PSP will receive an RMP allocation in order to enter the activation stage.

The contract for the acquisition of two A400M transport aircraft for 484 million euros and a T-50 LIFT aircraft for US$ 227 million can still be covered by the available RMP allocation. For contracts that have been signed and received an RMP in the 2022 fiscal year, contract activity awaits the signing of a loan agreement between the Ministry of Finance and lenders . It is not yet known which lenders will finance the purchase of weapons in the 2021 PSP, but it is suspected that they could come from European, Middle Eastern, East Asian financial institutions or state-owned banks overseas branches. It is estimated that there is still an allocation of one or two contract slots that can be covered by the available RMP, depending on the amount of the agreed contract value.

An example is the planned acquisition of 25 Ground Control Interception (GCI) radars for the Indonesian Air Force. The procurement of the GCI radar is considered strategic and urgent because there are a number of air defense radars that have exceeded their life cycles and must be replaced immediately, in addition to the need to establish new Radar Units in border areas. Sri Mulyani has allocated US$ 750 million in the PSP to purchase the air defense radar and three European radar manufacturers have shown interest. If the Ministry of Defense can sign a contract for the procurement of 25 GCI radars no later than April 30, 2022, then there will still be an RMP allocation from the 2022 fiscal year APBN.

The fate of a number of weapons procurement contracts that have not received the PSP will be determined in the next few months. A number of sources state that Indonesia has signed the final contract for six Rafales worth US$1.1 billion in December 2021 using the 2021 PSP. Meanwhile the fate of the other 30 Rafale fighter jets will be determined by the List of Foreign Loan Priority Plans (DRPPLN) published by the Ministry of Planning. National Development/Bappenas. The DRPPLN is the entry point to get the PSP from Sri Mulyani, although not all the list of activities in the DRPPLN will be approved for inclusion in the PSP.

The main problem with the Rafale and FREMM contracts is that contracts are signed before the budget is available and this is contrary to Presidential Regulation Number 16 of 2018 concerning Government Procurement of Goods/Services, in particular Article 52 (2). If the planned purchase of Rafale and FREMM is included in the DRPPLN and obtains PSP from Sri Mulyani this year, then under normal circumstances contract activity can be carried out as early as 2023. This is based on the assumption that the new RMP will be available in the 2023 fiscal year, as well as the signing of the loan agreement .
 
Done for 42 rafale and 2 scorphène in indonesia
Jakarta, CNBC Indonesia - The government of the Republic of Indonesia and the government of the Republic of France have officially agreed to activate the contract for the purchase of six of the 42 Rafale fighter jets manufactured by Dassault Aviation.

The agreement is one of four signed during a meeting between Indonesian Defense Minister Lt. Gen. TNI (Ret.) Prabowo Subianto and French Armed Forces Minister Florence Parly at the Indonesian Defense Ministry headquarters in Jakarta on Thursday ( 02/10/2022).

"The defense equipment sector plans to acquire important defense equipment for multi-role combat aircraft. We will acquire 42 Rafale aircraft. and the necessary simulators," said Prabowo.

Apart from the Rafale, the other MoUs are as follows:

a. An MoU on cooperation between PT PAL and Naval Group for the purchase of two Scorpene submarines as well as weapons and spare parts and training.

b. The MoU on cooperation between PT Dirgantara Indonesia and Dassault Aviation for the maintenance, repair and overhaul of French aircraft that will be and have been used in Indonesia, including the Rafale aircraft.

c. Cooperation MoU between PT LEN Industri and Thales Alenia Space for the acquisition of defense satellites

re. Memorandum of Understanding on cooperation between PT Pindad and Nexter System for the production of ammunition for land-based weapons

On the same occasion, Parly said that France is committed to supporting Indonesia's strategic program in the defense industry.

"I welcome the signature. We are happy that Indonesia has chosen France for the modernization of defense equipment and I think that Indonesian companies can become partners," Parly said.

He said the Rafale has proven to have technical advantages over other fighter jets.

"This is an important step in the procurement phase of Indonesian defense equipment," said Parly.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
 
Countries with smaller economy than us are ordering more Rafales than us. We take eons to decide and finally order less of everything so that Pakistan doesn't go bankrupt trying to offset our military. I don't understand why they hate us so much in PDF :unsure:😤.
 
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Done for 42 rafale and 2 scorphène in indonesia
Jakarta, CNBC Indonesia - The government of the Republic of Indonesia and the government of the Republic of France have officially agreed to activate the contract for the purchase of six of the 42 Rafale fighter jets manufactured by Dassault Aviation.

The agreement is one of four signed during a meeting between Indonesian Defense Minister Lt. Gen. TNI (Ret.) Prabowo Subianto and French Armed Forces Minister Florence Parly at the Indonesian Defense Ministry headquarters in Jakarta on Thursday ( 02/10/2022).

"The defense equipment sector plans to acquire important defense equipment for multi-role combat aircraft. We will acquire 42 Rafale aircraft. and the necessary simulators," said Prabowo.

Apart from the Rafale, the other MoUs are as follows:

a. An MoU on cooperation between PT PAL and Naval Group for the purchase of two Scorpene submarines as well as weapons and spare parts and training.

b. The MoU on cooperation between PT Dirgantara Indonesia and Dassault Aviation for the maintenance, repair and overhaul of French aircraft that will be and have been used in Indonesia, including the Rafale aircraft.

c. Cooperation MoU between PT LEN Industri and Thales Alenia Space for the acquisition of defense satellites

re. Memorandum of Understanding on cooperation between PT Pindad and Nexter System for the production of ammunition for land-based weapons

On the same occasion, Parly said that France is committed to supporting Indonesia's strategic program in the defense industry.

"I welcome the signature. We are happy that Indonesia has chosen France for the modernization of defense equipment and I think that Indonesian companies can become partners," Parly said.

He said the Rafale has proven to have technical advantages over other fighter jets.

"This is an important step in the procurement phase of Indonesian defense equipment," said Parly.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

They really mean business.
 
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Countries with smaller economy than us are ordering more Rafales than us. We take eons to decide and finally order less of everything so that Pakistan doesn't go bankrupt trying to offset our military. I don't understand why they hate us so much in PDF :unsure:😤.

It's actually why the IAF wants their next order to be for 114. :p
 
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Countries with smaller economy than us are ordering more Rafales than us. We take eons to decide and finally order less of everything so that Pakistan doesn't go bankrupt trying to offset our military. I don't understand why they hate us so much in PDF :unsure:😤.
I can't imagine that this contract was made without the help of India and UAE. India would probably take a decision very quickly now since the capacities of Dassault in France are full with the help of India. Then Dassault can begin to give workshare to DRAL.
If i'm right the news considering DRAL must become more numerous now. India will build its own Rafale for sure. Dassault is totally ready now.
 
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All France has to do is bag IN's 26 and get 68 jets this year.

Iraq and BD possibilities this year?
In 2021 we sold 30 Rafales to Egypt, 24 to Greece, 12 to Croatia and 80 to the UAE. That makes 146 Rafales. I recall that Trappier told me that he hoped for a year 2022 as good as 2021. So 68 Rafales seems to me too few.
 
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In 2021 we sold 30 Rafales to Egypt, 24 to Greece, 12 to Croatia and 80 to the UAE. That makes 146 Rafales. I recall that Trappier told me that he hoped for a year 2022 as good as 2021. So 68 Rafales seems to me too few.

Can't think of anyone else beyond Iraq, Qatar and BD.

Ukarine should have bought 24-36 back in 2014-15, too bad they didn't take their own situation seriously enough.
 
It's actually why the IAF wants their next order to be for 114. :p

IAF will get Nothing

They want F 4 -- that too 114 and made in India

That is like asking for the Sun ,Moon and Earth --all together

At least one should be realistic in their expectations

Made in India contract comes with its own Costs and Complications

Meanwhile the Queue for F 4 is getting longer

Ultimately we will get only 36 More Rafales that too after 2025 or even beyond

Timing was the most important factor which is Now against us
Given the UAE and Indonesia agreements

First Come , First Served
 
IAF will get Nothing

They want F 4 -- that too 114 and made in India

That is like asking for the Sun ,Moon and Earth --all together

At least one should be realistic in their expectations

Made in India contract comes with its own Costs and Complications

Meanwhile the Queue for F 4 is getting longer

Ultimately we will get only 36 More Rafales that too after 2025 or even beyond

Timing was the most important factor which is Now against us
Given the UAE and Indonesia agreements

First Come , First Served

Indian Rafales will come from an Indian line. Foreign orders are irrelevant.
 
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Indian Rafales will come from an Indian line. Foreign orders are irrelevant.

That is Exactly what will never happen

Dont you think that MOD and MOF
Are all un aware of the future investment required especially in MK 2 Tejas and AMCA and all the Loyal Wingman Programmes

So there is NO money for 114 Rafales

The Naval Requirement of 26 has also complicated the whole procurement process

I am sure we are in touch with Russia for SU 75 , 2 squadrons off the shelf because obviously
AMCA will get delayed
 
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Rahul Gandhi was a useful idiot. His rants against rafale made indian gov apprehensive of touching more rafales. I hope no more rafales are ordered. End this.

Anyways, this thread is for indonesian orders, why are people injecting india into this. Mods need to clean this thread.
 
In 2021 we sold 30 Rafales to Egypt, 24 to Greece, 12 to Croatia and 80 to the UAE. That makes 146 Rafales. I recall that Trappier told me that he hoped for a year 2022 as good as 2021. So 68 Rafales seems to me too few.
Technically the 80 Emirati will be counted for 2022. The contracts that were validated in 2021 are the 30 to Egypt, 18 to Greece, and 12 to Croatia. So that's 60. The six extra to Greece should be validated tomorrow. With the 42 for Indonesia and the 80 for the Emirates, that'll be 128 for 2022. Let's see if India jumps on the bandwagon.

With 26 for the Indian Navy and a new batch of 36 for the IAF, that'd allow to establish an Indian production line, with partial component sourcing from Indian subcontractors and final assembly by DRAL. Then that line will be there for the MMRCA 2.
 
That is Exactly what will never happen

Dont you think that MOD and MOF
Are all un aware of the future investment required especially in MK 2 Tejas and AMCA and all the Loyal Wingman Programmes

So there is NO money for 114 Rafales

The Naval Requirement of 26 has also complicated the whole procurement process

I am sure we are in touch with Russia for SU 75 , 2 squadrons off the shelf because obviously
AMCA will get delayed

For 24 Rafales a year, we only need $3B for 3+9 years. That's only 40% of the IAF's current procurement budget, possibly only 20% of their probable budget from 2026-29 onwards. LCA Mk2 simply continues from where Mk1A left off. AMCA's main serial production will happen when LCA and Rafale production cycles are ending. Drones are also far away, plus cheaper than LCA, plus will take a long time before main serial production will begin.

Even if the IAF's budget grows only by 25% over the next 7 years, ie, $10B, an unrealistically low growth figure, 24 Rafales and 24 LCAs together will cost no more than 40-45% of the capital budget. The IAF will still have the budget necessary to buy another 12-24 jets of a different type at the time.
 
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Technically the 80 Emirati will be counted for 2022. The contracts that were validated in 2021 are the 30 to Egypt, 18 to Greece, and 12 to Croatia. So that's 60. The six extra to Greece should be validated tomorrow. With the 42 for Indonesia and the 80 for the Emirates, that'll be 128 for 2022. Let's see if India jumps on the bandwagon.

With 26 for the Indian Navy and a new batch of 36 for the IAF, that'd allow to establish an Indian production line, with partial component sourcing from Indian subcontractors and final assembly by DRAL. Then that line will be there for the MMRCA 2.

We can assume Trappier wasn't being that technical. But 68 is also a good number.