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Another 1.5 billion USD loan from China received to keep the forex reserves in double digits.

Pakistan seems to manage just enough keep it just afloat everytime.

By September they will need to pay for the deferred oil bills from Saudia and UAE worth a 4 billion USD. And with their proximity with Turkey, who is not exactly behaving itself inline with Saudi interests in the Middle East, it would be interesting if again the Chinese bail them out.
 
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Ankit Kumar said:
Another 1.5 billion USD loan from China received to keep the forex reserves in double digits.

Pakistan seems to manage just enough keep it just afloat everytime.

By September they will need to pay for the deferred oil bills from Saudia and UAE worth a 4 billion USD. And with their proximity with Turkey, who is not exactly behaving itself inline with Saudi interests in the Middle East, it would be interesting if again the Chinese bail them out.
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And due to Covid , the gulfies don't seem so generous. Pakistan is in for a ride, we should maximize our benefit from it. And btw they have a habit of pulling down their pants in front of 4ft Chinese
 
Deathstar said:
And due to Covid , the gulfies don't seem so generous. Pakistan is in for a ride, we should maximize our benefit from it. And btw they have a habit of pulling down their pants in front of 4ft Chinese
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Oil prices will rise and Saudis are at the moment making it work with Russians for oil production. Money won't be a problem for Saudia. The problem will be pakistani stance on interests of Saudia in the region.

Iran is a big problem for them right now. Israel and Saudis are together in the region against them.

Best bet for us is that Mullahs there fall. Even a military regime willing to co-operate with USA and agreeing to play second fiddle to Saudia in the region in exchange for lifting of sanctions and external economic support... That's the only way our interests in Afghanistan and Central Asia through Iran will survive.

Coming back to pakistan. They have a relief from a pause from IMF program right now in addition to funding from other institutions also.

The silver lining for us is that the decision of G20 will only mean some breathing space for Pakistan from loans from foreign governments. The problem will be that more than half of their loans are not from foreign governments but entities based outside Pakistan. Even the Italian Mafias. That will be a problem. Any delay in payments to them will help us in taking down ISI operations in Europe.
 
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Which borders? LoC and get killed and body buried without anyone knowing lol..
Anyways you are right , Pakistanis are famous for acting like Syrians to enter Europe as refugees. You need anyones permission
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Kargil is over but still it's considered pakistan offensive. We aren't going to allow you to grab our land without a fight. As compared to India,Pakistan has many enemies from the beginning. Israel knows about our capability. I agree that India is the most important enemy but anyway,you will not see us fighting without a reason.we don't grab land for fun.we fight with bravery and courage. It's better for India to think about present rather than living in past and glorifying indian victories.
 
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What is this obsession with salwar? Do you guys want salwar? I can send it to anyone who wants it. It's weird that members here make fun of salwar. Crazy obsession.
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Is it true that Pathan men started wearing the dress of Punjabi women, i.e., salwar kameez, during Sikh rule due to the fear of Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa?

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Yes. This was also admitted by a major Pashtun leader in Pakistan few years back. It is also said of Hari Singh Nalwa that when Pathan mothers had to put their children to sleep they would scare them by saying , “Hari Singh Nalwa raghle de” (Hari Singh Nalwa has come).
Please see the following references for corrobaration:
  1. Nalwa, V. 2009. Hari Singh Nalwa - The Champion of Khalsaji New Delhi: Manohar, p. 264
  2. Nishaan, Swat: Sanctuary for the Sikhs, III/2009, New Delhi: Nagaara Trust, p. 45
The Pushtun leader who admitted that it was Sikhs who forced female dress on Pathans was Miangul Aurangzeb, Wali of Swat. His credibility as a source of Pusthun history is beyond reproach. His exact quote is reproduced below with complete fidelity:
“The Sikh army of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, under the leadership of Hari Singh Nalwa came to the Frontier in the 1820's and swiftly conquered our ancestors. It is the only time in recorded history that our people were ruled over by foreigners. The locals were so utterly terrified of the Sikh army that they used to hide every time the Sikhs came into view. Those that decided to resist were met with ruthlessness. During this time, the word was spread around that the Sikhs did not harm elderly people, women and children and that the local men who did not wish to earn wrath of the Sikhs should wear the garb of Punjabi women, which was the Salwar-Kameez. At that time in our history both men and women alike, wore only a single-robe garment (similar to that worn by the Arabs) and the Sikhs would not harm any man either when wearing the Salwar-Kameez.
So you see, our men happily adopted the garb of Punjabi women since they were too terrified to stand up and they have adopted the garb as being theirs' ever since. I am very intrigued to see that you are following in the footsteps of your ancestors by wearing the adopted Punjabi women's garb as your own, but now go around preaching and coercing our women as to how they should be living their lives! I suggest that take a deep look inside yourselves, given this historical perspective."
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Also, note that Salwar Kameez of Pathans is not same as the dress worn by ancient Persians. If Pathans got Salwar Kameez from Iranians, why do Iranian men themselves not wear Salwar Kameez now? Truth is that there is zero evidence that Pathans have any lineal link with ancient or modern persians as also borne out by their distinct genetics.
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Also note that in no other cultures outside Indian subcontinent salwar kameez is worn, especially by men. This spurious theory of Iranian or Central Asian origin of salwar kameez as male dress needs to be called out for what it is. Even genetically, Pushtuns cluster closer with Pakistanis and North Indians and less with Central Asians and Iranians.

Is it true that Pathan men started wearing the dress of Punjabi women, i.e., salwar kameez, during Sikh rule due to the fear of Sardar Ha...

Answer (1 of 24): No. Stories like these are usually made up by ethnic nationalists to feel good about themselves. A false sense of superiority about their own ethnic group. I mean really read the statement within the question out loud to yourself. And you will quickly realize that it’s clearly f...
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PLA will not vacate the area between F4 & F8. They have withdrawn from galwan due to water as they did in July 1962. In Gogra and Hot springs they are at lower ground and they need to maintain pressure in Depsang to avoid break out of Indian Forces to their rear. So they are here to fight.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
What is this obsession with salwar? Do you guys want salwar? I can send it to anyone who wants it. It's weird that members here make fun of salwar. Crazy obsession.
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That's a proper folk dress of surrender. You are better suited to wear your surrenders on your sleeve, your divergent firstname and surname notwithstanding, makes you look traveling on two boats, a confused inbred.

BTW, my honest salute to you and @safriz ,inspite of being proven wrong, and liar in past and present, numerous times, you continue to face all odds of humiliation and lost credibility to back Pakiland narrative where govt itself is in FATF, Axact graduated pilots being grounded and docs declared as jholachaap hakims.

Your salwars are first sniffed by a German shepherd before given entry into immigration of an European airport. Even then you managed to form drugs airbridge between pakistan and Europe.

Salwar is manifestation of everything unholy in Quaran, practiced by people of faith, allah ke bandey, with impunity, while it reeks of jahanuum from nadda to aasan.
 
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Ankit Kumar said:
Hm salwar bole to obsession, aur China bole to vaseline laga kar jhuk jaaoge?

This is not fair miyaan
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bro what happen to your secret deal with china for gilgit? lol.
vstol Jockey said:
PLA will not vacate the area between F4 & F8. They have withdrawn from galwan due to water as they did in July 1962. In Gogra and Hot springs they are at lower ground and they need to maintain pressure in Depsang to avoid break out of Indian Forces to their rear. So they are here to fight.
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yes true. war will happen anyway. as far as i know,india will not allow land grab without a fight.
 
Arsalan123 said:
bro what happen to your secret deal with china for gilgit? lol.

yes true. war will happen anyway. as far as i know,india will not allow land grab without a fight.
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That deal about GB was rejected even before it was fully explained.
Yes, we are ready for war. In Arunachal Pradesh, we suffered a big defeat in 1962. We have a monument there for our soldiers who laid down their lives. WE WILL AVENGE is written in bold on the wall of that monument. we have to avenge 1962.
 
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Hahaha.i recommend you to visit psychiatrist arnab goswami.legends say that he has the ability to turn defeat into victory. What are you talking about? Everyone knows what happened.you fall back from your own territory and China fall back too but still they are in your territory but you can't go back to your previous position. All media channels around the globe publish it. It's up to you whether to accept it or not.as I said earlier, pakistan doesn't need permission before attacking any country.we are strong and powerful and can launch any type of attack on our enemy.we can do it at will.wr don't fear anyone not even india.we know you have large number of troops but have you seen us accepting defeat without a fight against you? Pakistan is great country bro. You can't victimize pakistan after every incident. I believe in order to fool people in India and Unite them again,India can once again attack pakistan but we are well prepared.our brother china has provided us every weapon.
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Lol Strong country 🤣🤣
https://twitter.com/x/status/1280232658258194434
 
vstol Jockey said:
That deal about GB was rejected even before it was fully explained.
Yes, we are ready for war. In Arunachal Pradesh, we suffered a big defeat in 1962. We have a monument there for our soldiers who laid down their lives. WE WILL AVENGE is written in bold on the wall of that monument. we have to avenge 1962.
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Everyone should show courage like you. It doesn't matter which country we represent. Courage is necessary and without fight,nobody should accept defeat. It's not necessary that we always win but with right strategy,a victory is possible. What are you doing here on this forum? Are they not calling back retired people to service? I think they call everyone back after they impose emergency.People like you should be given charge to handle enemy.
 
safriz said:
Extremely biased and unsubstantiated comment.
In 1963 Pakistan gave financial aid to west Germany.
We were not broke until late 80s.
Even 1971 breakup of Pakistan didn't hurt the economy that much. What hurt was Bhutto's nationalisation policy.
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Pakistan was a prosperous country till 70s, but destroyed due to religious fundamentalism. You are a text book example for india on how the marriage between government & religious fundamentalism a nation. I fear we are cruising in the same direction.
 
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Pakistan was a prosperous country till 70s, but destroyed due to religious fundamentalism. You are a text book example for india on how the marriage between government & religious fundamentalism a nation. I fear we are cruising in the same direction.
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Religious or racial fundamental ideology doesn't hurt if you use it wisely.
Key point is not to alienate anyone and while uniting the majority on the basis or race or religion, keep the rest safe and not feel threatened.

Japan , Korea and Greece and many European countries have clear racial policies and behaviour.

For example a child of a non Japanese marrying a Japanese never gets the same rights or treatment as a purebred Japanese.
Same in Greece.
In fact if a Japanese woman decides to marry a non Japanese, she is summoned by government officials and actively discouraged from doing so.
Korea is the same.
But these countries are doing quite well.

Likewise in my opinion India can do well as a legally declared Hindu Rashtria if they give non Hindus freedom and legally protected jobs and rights, while declaring them as religious minorities.

In Pakistan where things went wrong was our swinging like a pendulum between secularism and religious mode.
Until 1979 Pakistan under Bhutto was so secular that dance clubs were common in Karachi and so was drinking.
Then under general zia we became religious and then again secular under Benazir Bhutto and religious again under first tenure of Nawaz Sharif.
 
safriz said:
Religious or racial fundamental ideology doesn't hurt if you use it wisely.
Key point is not to alienate anyone and while uniting the majority on the basis or race or religion, keep the rest safe and not feel threatened.

Japan , Korea and Greece and many European countries have clear racial policies and behaviour.

For example a child of a non Japanese marrying a Japanese never gets the same rights or treatment as a purebred Japanese.
Same in Greece.
In fact if a Japanese woman decides to marry a non Japanese, she is summoned by government officials and actively discouraged from doing so.
Korea is the same.
But these countries are doing quite well.

Likewise in my opinion India can do well as a legally declared Hindu Rashtria if they give non Hindus freedom and legally protected jobs and rights, while declaring them as religious minorities.

In Pakistan where things went wrong was our swinging like a pendulum between secularism and religious mode.
Until 1979 Pakistan under Bhutto was so secular that dance clubs were common in Karachi and so was drinking.
Then under general zia we became religious and then again secular under Benazir Bhutto and religious again under first tenure of Nawaz Sharif.
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Nonsense

It was your obsessions which have brought you where you are

First Kashmir and Then Afghanistan
 
Arsalan123 said:
bro what happen to your secret deal with china for gilgit? lol.

yes true. war will happen anyway. as far as i know,india will not allow land grab without a fight.
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very mention of India-china war makes pakistan so happy, if not for the economic situation & covid pandemic imran khan would have thrown party for the ccp bosses.
 
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