Kashmir : Counter Terror Operation Updates and Discussions

Paro said:
Thats exactly what in saying. But how did JeM know the route and the timing for the convoy? How did they get their material support? How did he even cross the Loc without someone aiding them? But all we will go after is JeM because they take responsibility. Bunch of loosers we are
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Again, step back. Shall explain.

Convoy movements are administrative movements. They occur everyday. Multiple vehicles ferry troops and material to and fro, troops proceeding on leave, coming from leave, rotation, induction of materials like ammunition/stores/even grocery and utility items from CSD. Only special moves are few and infrequent. Majority are in such convoys.

Time is known as road opening parties deploy prior to move of convoy. Everything is known. SOP is known to every one there. There is simply no On narrow roads with civil vehicles around, they move at a slow speed to avoid endangering themselves and civilians (the vehicles are big, heavy and take time to stop). So, you have a juggernaut moving along that is spotted well off. And even the militants study moves and wait for an opportune moment to strike.
 
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Falcon said:
There is no necessity to pull anything off. What is expected?

Somebody messed up big time. But not on our side.

Understand one thing very clearly, no one, not even the best trained and equipped army, can stop a vehicle, that too a civil vehicle, laden with explosives from ramming into a bus and causing casualties.

There is simply no way that you can stop someone willing to die to inflict casualties on you, without luck being on your side.

So chill
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I never said we could have prevented such an attack. its beyond our capability. What I am saying is we don't have the will to punish the one behind it.
 
Parthu said:
What this should result in is an explicit directive from PMO to all Armed Forces and Intel services to set fire in PoK using any and all means necessary.
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What is the aim?

Parthu said:
Usage of Special Forces (and any non-state actors we can muster) to disrupt and destroy critical enabling infrastructure of PA in PoK, kill commanders causing disruption in ranks of fighting formations, etc., which should be immediately followed by a conventional attack on positions by airpower, and then IA should move in with infantry & support to hold the territory and all airfields, discouraging PA from launching a counteroffensive, and being in a position to defeat it if it does come.
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And lead to a total war? Are we ready for one?

Parthu said:
The concept of using military force as a tool (and a continuation/alternative for diplomacy) for meeting our interests is not understood by our leadership.
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First they would do well to use the political tools, which they fail to, daily

Parthu said:
Such attacks should only be nothing but an EXCUSE for us to launch an attack toward meeting our strategic goals, never the CAUSE. We should never be in a position to require someone to do something against us before we think of doing something to them with the objective of advancing our interests. And therein lies our problem. The fact that PMO or GoI at large is only willing to use the military as a tool of retaliation for terror attacks, instead of setting a goal (like the capture of PoK) and using all overt & covert means the country has at disposal toward meeting that goal, shows where we have a fundamental flaw in our thought-process.

Attacks like this offer opportune moments where it is possible for us to initiate all-out hostilities (which will inevitably result in great loss of civilian life on both sides) and be in a position to justify our actions in the UN and to the wider world (anyone who thinks this is not important is thinking in only three dimensions). But ofcourse, to be in a position to utilize such incidents as a moral high ground and justification for own public, would require us to first be prepared for a campaign in the first place. Issuing knee-jerk directives to the conventional Armed Forces is a recipe for disaster.
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Towards what end?
 
Guynextdoor said:
I'm not saying 72 hours....but Modi must do something soon. I'm not saying this from a political point of view....it is important and the need of the hour.
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Why?

I can show you where the leadership of CRPF should be sacked. Right from top to the convoy commander.
How about that?

Are you aware that as per rules, upheld by every law in this country, no civil vehicle is allowed to come in near vicinity of any convoy carrying troops? Why does the Police fail to implement that rule? Even our military leadership under Lt Gen Hasnain, has created a situation wherein civil vehicles often dart into convoys, leading to accidents and fatalities.
 
Don't get carried away by SM and News channels. Those who need to act are already planning their act and ready. Modi is no fool. Sometimes you force a man to take decisions which he does not want and end up being a victim yourself. This attack and congress reaction is going to do jiust that. There will be no Pakistan and no Congress also. May be no opposition in India also.
 
R!cK said:
We claim to know every terrorist camp across our borders, we claim to have the ability to perform precision bombing using our air assets, we claim to make them pay for every soldier we lose. So what's stopping us from bombing all their camps back to stone age and show a big fat finger to anyone trying to ask us why? Why have the world's third largest army or 4th largest air force if we are just using them for republic day parades. Pity!
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We are doing that. But the camps are transitory. They crop up and then dismantle. The real ones are in depth. The ones those need to be liquidated for some effect. But that needs the people of India and GOI to be geared up for war. Sadly, we are not.

Tomorrow watch Taimur's photos in TOINS .. 'heart warming' photos at that
 
Falcon said:
Why?

I can show you where the leadership of CRPF should be sacked. Right from top to the convoy commander.
How about that?

Are you aware that as per rules, upheld by every law in this country, no civil vehicle is allowed to come in near vicinity of any convoy carrying troops? Why does the Police fail to implement that rule? Even our military leadership under Lt Gen Hasnain, has created a situation wherein civil vehicles often dart into convoys, leading to accidents and fatalities.
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yes. And the principle of punishing the perpetrators must also be upheld. When a house is burgled you can't just stop with sacking the security guards, you need to stop the theives.
 
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Stop blaiming Pakistan and ISI for your failures. The problem lies in Kashmir, you need to ask yourself why the insurgency or freedom fight is still attracting Kashmiris, specially the youth. The bomber was recruited from IoK, he joined the freedom movement six months ago.

You have spent billions in constructing military infrastructure including intel, acquired most expensive weapons from all over the world, fenced the LoC and even made a record breaking movie to fool the masses. Please tell me how the fcuk did ISI smuggle 350kg IED into IoK without being detected? How did they keep traxk of the convoy? What is your intel doing? Why don't you ask your govt for an explanation before blaiming everyone else but you.

It's election time and things are going the exact way as I predicted.
 
Guynextdoor said:
yes. And the principle of punishing the perpetrators must also be upheld. When a house is burgled you can't just stop with sacking the security guards, you need to stop the theives.
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I have a different take.

I am posting here because I expected an ambush at precisely the place that it took place. I and my men live. 45 of us were in the bus. Not a single scratch.

How did that happen? Because:

1. I did not panic.
2. I enforced the SOP and drills on the men inside.
3. I did not duck and hide, instead kept the attackers in view
4. I waited for a grenade to be lobbed in and prepared to mitigate its effects by using my backpack and laptop bag if needed.
5. I did not seek to become a hero by opening my door to chase and try and kill the militants as that would have allowed an opening for multiple grenades and fire into the bus.

End result: the militants melted into the village, I saw them go, but I did not chase (expecting a civil 'unrest' with potential ambush in civil populated area in order to force me to retaliate and cause civil casualties. I did not kill anyone, be it the militant or the civilian or my men.

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Falcon said:
What do you propose?
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occupy a Valley or a pass across LOC. then ask them for coming up with a face-saving. We are not ready for war I agree but they aren't either. They know they can't go toe to toe with us. What will their reaction be? occupy our vulnerable area? how long will they last once the cycle continues?
 
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