Why would any sub come so close to a ship?
It should simply fire from a stand off distance and leave.
Does this system has any practical utility or it exists as a legacy baggage?
Kolkata-class and Visakhapatnam-class Destroyers: News & Discussions
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It should simply fire from a stand off distance and leave.
Does this system has any practical utility or it exists as a legacy baggage?
CIWS to cater to subs. Basically if the sub has reached that stage, it's time to kiss their own a r s e goodbye.
I think CIWS has a much higher utility compared to this. The missile has to come in, but the sub doesn’t need to come close.
The rockets are occupying expensive real estate and can be utilized to carry more missiles.
From what we've seen in the Ukraine war , CIWS is going to be good enough for drones , if at all .
You're right . I was being sarcastic.
It's needed as much as cannons / guns on 5th Gen FA.
Just like BVR missiles having a max range of say 150km, will never be fired at that range, rather the max range at which trained pilots will release missiles will be like 50-60km at Max.
Similarly for torpedoes, although range is like 40-50km max, it's not fired from that far away. It needs to be fired from much closer range. And because a strike formation will have multiple warships, spread out, their detection range would enhance too.
It is also used as a CIWS , true but against incoming torpedoes if detected or against possible mines.
I agree the subs will not fire from the maximum range. But do they need to come as close as 5 km?
With a battle group formation, why would any sub take that kind of risk?
The ships are not in a close vicinity. They are few kilometres apart. Say one ship in the center is running it's active array and rest are silent. Then that ship will be picked up by a submarine. Once that submarine tries to get near and study the surroundings, then the other ships who are silent have a chance at hunting down or defending an attack from that submarine.
Rbu-6000 type rockets will see increase in use because they act as a CIWS for swarm USV. They coupled with Ak-630 and Naval Surface Gun can provide better cover and a cost effective solution for swarm drones.
It's to kill a sub during a hunt, so you gotta go in as close as possible to make the kill. The closer you are the greater the kill probability.
Not logically however there is nothing wrong in increasing the range of existing weapons plus there must be overlapping capabilities to enhance the kill zone of enemy combatants/boats.
CIWS is used against arial threats. Anti submarine RUB series is used against sub-surface targets, specifically submarines. Without having multi layered weapons and multi level detection system with decent range at variable depths at all times only gives higher probability of tackling submarines. For detection, generally towed array instruments, bow mounted sonar, side variable sonar, dipping sonar via onboard equipment or helicopter, arial support via UAVs, P8 types etc. For multi layered weapons system, ground based anti-surface, anti -sub-surface long range missiles-torpedoes, arial platforms carrying torpedoes, helicopter carrying tarpedoes & other weapons, ships carrying ASROCs, torpedoes, crude bombs charges etc.
To complete the kill chain against a boat, especially a submarine is very challenging and requires very high level of precision else it doesn't take much time to turn into hunted from hunter when dealing with submarines.
Sell a 100 T72s to Ukraine and in return ask them to transfer the machinary, blueprints, any testing facility, complete/incomplete examples, spares stores and a few technicians from the Zorya gas turbines facility to India.
Now, it seems D63 INS Kolkata has also received 4 12.7mm SRCG. Terma Scantar SSR is still missing.
