LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions

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Yes I told the same thing while commenting to @Guynextdoor bullet shooting need to allgin with with enemy plane where as with HMD you can shoot enemy even he is parallel to you by just looking at him and this is missing in JF17 .so Tejas in close combat kill jf17 block 1 and 2 :giggle:
 
Yes I told the same thing while commenting to @Guynextdoor bullet shooting need to allgin with with enemy plane where as with HMD you can shoot enemy even he is parallel to you by just looking at him and this is missing in JF17 .so Tejas in close combat kill jf17 block 1 and 2 :giggle:

I definitely didn't mean full directional control. I thought a limited control was possible. Maybe it is not. But with JF 17 there is an adversary. What if it stalls mid air and you end up runing into it as you chase it?
 
I definitely didn't mean full directional control. I thought a limited control was possible. Maybe it is not. But with JF 17 there is an adversary. What if it stalls mid air and you end up runing into it as you chase it?

Combat tactics can be different ...Tejas is complete FBW plane so it can have more control on slow speed while air breaking (effortless ) compare with jf 17 and using FADEC engine it push instantly ...you can check both the plane slow speed control.
 
Combat tactics can be different ...Tejas is complete FBW plane so it can have more control on slow speed while air breaking (effortless ) compare with jf 17 and using FADEC engine it push instantly ...you can check both the plane slow speed control.

What if jf 17 runs out of petrol mid air
 
What if jf 17 runs out of petrol mid air
Don’t worry My friend block 3 is coming with everything you name it’s there ...and working is in progress in their Kamran factory with new design in wind tunnel testing lab ,fbw, ws 10x engine stealth tech ,data link ,hmd, carbon fiber composite ,aesa ,fuel pod... we shouldn’t compare with our Tejas ...our navy rejected it .NGTD AMCA is Indian dream plane never going to happen and Kaveri lol we Indian are hilarious :rolleyes::eek:
 
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L'avion de combat indien Tejas bientôt propulsé par le moteur M88 du Rafale ?

Par Michel CABIROL | 26/02/2018, 6:56 | 227 mots

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La prochaine visite d'Emmanuel Macron en Inde pourrait relancer la coopération entre Safran et l'Inde pour motoriser l'avion de combat léger, le Tejas. (Crédits : © Regis Duvignau / Reuters)



Safran et l'Inde seraient près de signer un partenariat pour développer un moteur pour l'avion de combat léguer Tejas à partir du M88 qui motorise le Rafale.


Le moteur M88 bientôt à bord du Tejas? C'est dans le domaine du possible même si avec l'Inde la prudence est toujours de rigueur. Selon nos informations, les négociations entre Safran, soutenu par l'Etat français, et l'Inde (plus précisément le DRDO -Defence Research and Development Organisation) sont en très bonne voie pour motoriser l'avion de combat léger indien (LCA) avec le M88 dans le cadre du programme Kaveri qui doit être ressuscité. Elles pourraient prochainement aboutir et ce nouveau partenariat franco-indien pourrait faire l'objet d'une annonce lors du voyage d'Emmanuel Macron en Inde, le 10 mars prochain.

Motorisé de façon transitoire par General Electric (F404 F2J3), New Delhi souhaitait à l'origine développer un moteur indien. Mais les déboires dans le développement du Kaveri, qui n'a pas répondu aux besoins exprimés, a entraîné un abandon en 2014. Depuis 2016, Safran est à nouveau à la manœuvre pour proposer le M88 dans le cadre d'un transfert de technologies en vue de motoriser le Tejas ("glorieux" en sanskrit) dans la cadre du "Make in India". Cet avion de combat a été lancé dans les années 1980 par New Delhi, puis le design de l'appareil a été arrêté dans les années 1990. Enfin, le premier prototype TD-1 a effectué son premier vol le 4 janvier 2001. Le Tejas a été commande à 123 exemplaires.



The Indian fighting aircraft Tejas soon powered by the M88 engine Rafale?


Saffron and India are close to signing a partnership to develop an engine for the combat aircraft bequeath Tejas from the M88 which powers the Rafale.


The M88 engine soon aboard the Tejas? It is in the realm of the possible even if with India the prudence is always de rigueur. According to our information, the negotiations between Safran, supported by the French State, and India (more specifically DRDO -Defence Research and Development Organization) are well on their way to power the Indian light combat aircraft (LCA) with the M88 as part of the Kaveri program that needs to be resurrected. They could soon succeed and this new Franco-Indian partnership could be the subject of an announcement during Emmanuel Macron's trip to India on March 10th.


Transiently powered by General Electric (F404 F2J3), New Delhi originally wanted to develop an Indian engine. But the setbacks in the development of the Kaveri, which did not meet the needs expressed, led to an abandonment in 2014. Since 2016, Safran is again at the forefront of proposing the M88 as part of a technology transfer in motorized Tejas ("glorious" in Sanskrit) as part of "Make in India". This fighter was launched in the 1980s by New Delhi, then the design of the aircraft was stopped in the 1990s. Finally, the first prototype TD-1 made its first flight on January 4, 2001. The Tejas was ordered to 123 copies.

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"Safran aura le contrôle de Zodiac Aerospace début 2018" (Philippe Petitcolin, DG de Safran)


Sur le Rafale, avez-vous des espoirs d'augmenter la poussée du moteur ?

Nous n'avons pas eu de discussions à ce sujet avec la DGA (direction générale de l'armement), l'armée de l'air et la marine, qui sont les utilisateurs du Rafale. A titre personnel, je milite pour une augmentation de la poussée du moteur M88 parce que je pense qu'à terme, l'avion en aura besoin. L'avion a grossi depuis son origine - ce qui est normal - mais le moteur est resté le même. Que le moteur augmente sa puissance paraitrait être une décision normale, mais c'est aux armées et à la DGA de la prendre. Le risque serait qu'on se rende compte un jour que le moteur n'est plus assez puissant par rapport à ce qu'on veut faire faire au Rafale, et Safran va se retrouver sous la pression alors que nous aurions tout le temps aujourd'hui de lancer cette évolution.

Pourquoi ne pas commencer par une petite augmentation de la poussée du M88 ?

La poussée du M88 peut effectivement passer de 7,5 tonnes à plus de 8 tonnes - entre 8 et 8,3 tonnes - sans toucher aux entrées d'air, donc sans toucher à l'avion, simplement en travaillant sur le moteur. Soit une augmentation d'une dizaine de pourcents. Au-delà, si la DGA et les armées souhaitent aller vers des gammes de puissance supérieures, de type 9 tonnes par exemple, la modernisation du moteur passerait par une modification plus structurelle du Rafale.

N'y a-t-il pas une crainte sur les bureaux d'études ?

Il y a effectivement un problème de maintien des compétences dans le domaine du militaire qu'il ne faut pas sous-estimer. Il est réel.

Un contrat export pourrait-il être le déclencheur de cette modernisation ?

C'est peut-être possible avec l'Inde et son moteur, le Kaveri. Aujourd'hui, le M88 est fiable et répond aux besoins. Pour les armées, c'est donc toujours difficile de mettre la priorité sur une telle évolution.

Où en êtes-vous sur le Patroller ? Pourquoi ne pas le proposer à l'export ?

Le développement se passe bien. Je ne souhaite pas pour le moment que Safran le propose à l'export parce que je veux vraiment assurer une bonne fin de développement. L'armée de Terre nous a fait confiance, c'est à nous d'honorer cette confiance en livrant à l'heure le produit aux conditions que nous avons garanties. Tant que nous n'aurons pas atteint un niveau où j'estimerai que le produit est bien né, je n'autoriserai pas les équipes à faire de la prospection sur ce produit à l'export. Pourquoi ? Comme nous faisons appel plus ou moins aux mêmes équipes, je veux vraiment qu'elles se concentrent totalement sur la réalisation du contrat que nous avons signé. Bien sûr, je serais ravi d'avoir des commandes export.


"Safran will have control of Zodiac Aerospace early 2018" (Philippe Petitcolin, CEO of Safran)

On the Rafale, do you have any hopes of increasing engine thrust?

We have not had any discussions on this subject with the DGA (Directorate General of Armament), the Air Force and the Navy, which are the users of the Rafale. On a personal note, I am arguing for an increase in the thrust of the M88 engine because I think that eventually the plane will need it. The plane has grown from its origin - which is normal - but the engine has remained the same. That the engine increases its power would seem to be a normal decision, but it is up to the armies and the DGA to take it. The risk is that we realize one day that the engine is not powerful enough compared to what we want to do Rafale, and Safran will be under pressure when we have all the time today to launch this evolution.

Why not start with a small increase in the thrust of the M88?

The thrust of the M88 can actually go from 7.5 tons to more than 8 tons - between 8 and 8.3 tons - without touching the air intakes, so without touching the plane, simply by working on the engine. An increase of about ten percent. Beyond that, if the DGA and the armies wish to move towards higher power ranges, such as 9 tonnes, the modernization of the engine would require a more structural modification of the Rafale.

Is there not a fear on the design offices?

There is indeed a problem of maintenance of skills in the military field that should not be underestimated. He is real.

Could an export contract be the trigger for this modernization?

It may be possible with India and its engine, the Kaveri. Today, the M88 is reliable and meets the needs. For armies, it is always difficult to prioritize such an evolution.


Where are you on the Patroller? Why not offer it for export?

The development is going well. I do not wish at the moment that Safran proposes it for export because I really want to ensure a good end of development. The Army has trusted us, it is up to us to honor this confidence by delivering the product on time to the conditions we have guaranteed. As long as we have not reached a level where I estimate that the product is well born, I will not allow teams to explore this product for export. Why ? Since we are using more or less the same teams, I really want them to focus totally on completing the contract we signed. Of course, I would love to have export orders.
 
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Hot refueling' trial of LCA Tejas successful

BENGALURU: Defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) on Tuesday successfully carried out a “hot refueling” procedure on the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft-Tejas. The procedure was followed by a sortie.

The system performance during the refueling session was in-line with design requirements and was satisfactory,” HAL said in a statement, adding that the aircraft is now inching closer to the final operational clearance (FOC).

HAL claimed that in the history of IAFaircraft, LCA will be the first one to fly with this unique capability of hot refueling and HAL has successfully demonstrated this on LCA Tejas LSP8 aircraft.

Hot Refueling is a single point pressure refueling of the aircraft with the engine in operation. It is a process by which a fighter aircraft is refueled (in between sorties) while its engine is in operation, thereby cutting down the refueling time by half and turn-around time significantly.

“This capability is highly desired in combat situation which basically puts aside the need for the pilot to park the aircraft, power down and exit the cockpit for refueling to begin. Further, with this, a major requirement of LCA Air Force Mk1A has been achieved,” HAL said.

'Hot refueling' trial of LCA Tejas successful - Times of India
 
OH MY GOD!DID EVERY ONE MISS THIS?201 MK2 in addition to 123 mk1.And it's actually being said by DRDO chief,so none of that unnamed sources crap.
It's one of those times where I miss the emojis of the older forum.





India’s AWACS is low-cost, better than Pakistan’s, says DRDO chief
DRDO chief Dr S Christopher said the indigenous AEW&C built by DRDO using modified Brazilian Embraer jets is cost effective and better than the Swedish systems owned by Pakistan.
By: Express News Service | Ahmedabad |Published: March 1, 2018 10:25 pm

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The indigenous airborne early warning and control system built by Defence Research and Development Organisation uses modified Brazilian Embraer jets. (File Photo)
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The indigenous airborne early warning and control system (AEW&C) built by Defence Research and Development Organisation using modified Brazilian Embraer jets is cost effective and better than the Swedish systems owned by Pakistan, said DRDO chairman Dr S Christopher at an event in Gujarat University on Thursday.

Giving an insight into various modern technologies being developed for the military, Christopher, delivering the first i-talk organised by Gujarat Innovation Society (GIS), spoke about how DRDO’s AEW&C platform, christened “Netra”, was close to his heart since he was involved in it right from inception. “In 1985, we thought we should make an AWACS (airborne warning and control system) because at that time the US had brought in their own system,” Christopher said while narrating how the DRDO faced teething problems in the project, which also involved a crash.


The DRDO chief said they had gone for a simpler and smaller platform by using the Brazilian Embraer-145 jets when the project was restarted. “It started with a simpler and smaller platform that is the Embraer,” Christopher said, adding how the five-hour endurance of the system was expanded by adding a complex air-to-air refueling facility.

Claiming that the DRDO’s AWACS was cheaper than its Pakistani counterpart, Christopher said except for the aircraft, the electronics was indigenously made. “Except for the aircraft, all the electronics is ours. So when you compare the cost, it is less than what Pakistanis are having; the Swedish system. In addition to that, their aircraft itself is not as good as ours. It is because our is a jet and that is a turboprop,” the DRDO chief said. Pakistan has Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C from Sweden.


Tejas Mark-II to fly by 2022

Speaking of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, Christopher said HAL had already got an order to manufacture 123 LCAs. “In addition to that, the air force has given in writing another 201 aircraft, which is the next version, that we call as Mark-II. We are working on it and by 2022 it will be flying,” he said

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Speaking of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, Christopher said HAL had already got an order to manufacture 123 LCAs. “In addition to that, the air force has given in writing another 201 aircraft, which is the next version, that we call as Mark-II. We are working on it and by 2022 it will be flying,” he said

from the past news and reading comments form @Aashish and @vstol Jockey and @randomradio here is what I got:
1) LCA mark II is currently being worked on (and theres been NO NEWS on this, all HUsh hush)
2) getting 201 unit order in writing guarantees economies of scale (finally)
3) no news on LCA Navy Mk II (looks like most likely scrapped with only talks on Rafale-M or Mig 29)
 
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from the past news and reading comments form @Aashish and @vstol Jockey and @randomradio here is what I got:
1) LCA mark II is currently being worked on (and theres been NO NEWS on this, all HUsh hush)
2) getting 201 unit order in writing guarantees economies of scale (finally)
3) no news on LCA Navy Mk II (looks like most likely scrapped with only talks on Rafale-M or Mig 29)
This also implies Rafale is winner of MMRCA II tender.
 
@Abingdonboy
Now here is your 15 sqd 300 orders ..

Hope you recall.. my always insistence on this number equivalent to 15 sqds.. 7 in Mk1A and 8 in Mk2.

On Mk2,
LCA MK2 work will commence only after future maturity of MK1A.

If I understand clearly we will need few things from a plane which will be out in 2024-25 time. A version under development.
That goes into MK2 and is critical in nature
 
Tejas Mark-II to fly by 2022

Speaking of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, Christopher said HAL had already got an order to manufacture 123 LCAs. “In addition to that, the air force has given in writing another 201 aircraft, which is the next version, that we call as Mark-II. We are working on it and by 2022 it will be flying,” he said
Hahahaha!


Amatuers?
HAL has declared on April 9 to prospective development partners/suppliers of a hydraulic pump: “HAL-ARDC is taking up for development and qualification of certain LRUs required for catering to LCA-Mark 2 version. The first prototype aircraft is slated for built during 2013-14, while series production(s) are planned for inducting to fleet which is stated to be taken up in two phases commencing from 2016 onwards. (sic)
 
@Ashwin

I think your dream is going to come true. IAF is interested in buying 9 squadrons of Mk2 after the 6 squadrons of Mk1A.
It's not my 'dream' but a common sense to order a minimum number of systems to achieve economy of scale and robust supply chain. Which you overlooked with mixing assumptions. :)
That being said I did not expect the requirement to be more than 8 sqd, It's very surprising since its directly from DRDO. And first flight delayed? How about speeding up goddammit.
 
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@Abingdonboy
Now here is your 15 sqd 300 orders ..

Hope you recall.. my always insistence on this number equivalent to 15 sqds.. 7 in Mk1A and 8 in Mk2.

On Mk2,
LCA MK2 work will commence only after future maturity of MK1A.

If I understand clearly we will need few things from a plane which will be out in 2024-25 time. A version under development.
That goes into MK2 and is critical in nature

The planes that i know of which are under development are Gripen Rafale 4.x and PAKFA. Is it one of these or other local development project.

Also on other thread you mentioned that we asked for a few things for FGFA but Russia refused can you elaborate on that.
 
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