I don't know why these people insist on pushing navy versios. Without engine redundancy navy will keep rejecting this.
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I don't know why these people insist on pushing navy versios. Without engine redundancy navy will keep rejecting this.
It's not my 'dream' but a common sense to order a minimum number of systems to achieve economy of scale and robust supply chain. Which you overlooked with mixing assumptions.
That being said I did not expect the requirement to be more than 8 sqd, It's very surprising since its directly from DRDO. And first flight delayed? How about speeding up goddammit.
They can't induct Mk2 until Mk1A is delivered, so Mk2 should be ready for construction at least 2 years before the last Mk2 is to be delivered.
324 are not necessary as minimum order. The Europeans are working with half those numbers in much more expensive programs.
MK2 and MK1A have to come successively. The assembly lines can't be kept empty. The DRDO chief also said the same thing as you are doing - MK2 will be ready by 2022 whereas 123 Tejas will be delivered by 2024. Ideally, manufacturing and assembling tejas takes 6-7 months. So, even if the Tejas Mk2 flies in 2023, it should still work
but our force is bigger. to replenish the squadron ranks I don't see anything off the mark if we replaced allMig 21 and a large number of other short range jets like Jaguar with LCA
It's impossible to meet those dates. IAF Chief Dhanoa was talking about inducting Mk2 after Mk1A was delivered in 2027.
Jaguar has longer range than MKI. Anyway, it has life yet, so it will be replaced by the AMCA in the future.
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Actually, Tejas MK2 is supposed to get FOC by 2025 as per official statement of Minister Subhash Bhamre in Parliament. That will mean Tejas will have to get IOC by 2022 itself and then make several adjustments by 2023 and be manufactured in LSP from 2024. Once FOC is obtained, serial manufacturing begins.] from 2025. All planes of decent countries begin LSP production before FOC itself.
I don't see why it is impossible to meet those dates. Design improvement does not take much time. This is 2018 and we are speaking of 7 years time whereby the desig template is already ready and limited modification is all that is needed
Is this realistic? Making MK1A MK@ & AMCA all at a time..
Given DRDO's history, I dont think so
Given DRDO's history, I dont think so
Comparing apples and oranges. DRDO's history is dependent on party in power. If you look at Narasimha Rao and Vajpayee's time, DRDO had done a fabulous job. DRDO faced problems under UPA. The funds allocated to DRDO did not go up despite inflations of 10% over several years making it difficult to work. The scientists resorted to theoretical work during these days without much scope for experimentations. So, the technology did develop but slowly. Now, they are getting the funds needed and there is no reason to say this is not possible.
The strategy is to use the same subsystems, softwares in all the planes with limited modifications. So, a universally compliant subsystems and softwares are being worked out. This will reduce the time drastically and combine the efforts of 3 planes with 1. Most of the systems like sensors, avionics can be developed universally. Only separate work will be aerodynamics of the design and structural integrity which is easier part
Government Commits To New Variant Of Tejas Fighter, Future For Gripen And F-16 Unclear
The Tejas, Ms Sitharaman indicated, will continue to be developed for the Indian Navy. Earlier, the Indian Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba had indicated that the jet, in its present state, was not capable of embarking operations onboard India's aircraft carriers, the INS Vikramaditya or the INS Vikrant which is yet to be commissioned.
Indicating that the Tejas fighter had serious export potential, Ms Sitharaman said "countries are talking about Tejas, not just Indian markets." Recently, the Air Force Chiefs of France and the United States both flew rear-seat on trainer variant of the Tejas fighters.
In February, sources within the Defence Ministry had indicated that India was no longer interested in a class of single-engine fighter other than the Tejas and had asked the Indian Air Force to revise its requirements to also include multi-engine fighters. There is, presently, no clarity on the shape of this acquisition and whether a deal for another multi-role fighter jet will at all progress.
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The Tejas, Ms Sitharaman indicated, will continue to be developed for the Indian Navy. Earlier, the Indian Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba had indicated that the jet, in its present state, was not capable of embarking operations onboard India's aircraft carriers, the INS Vikramaditya or the INS Vikrant which is yet to be commissioned.
Indicating that the Tejas fighter had serious export potential, Ms Sitharaman said "countries are talking about Tejas, not just Indian markets." Recently, the Air Force Chiefs of France and the United States both flew rear-seat on trainer variant of the Tejas fighters.
In February, sources within the Defence Ministry had indicated that India was no longer interested in a class of single-engine fighter other than the Tejas and had asked the Indian Air Force to revise its requirements to also include multi-engine fighters. There is, presently, no clarity on the shape of this acquisition and whether a deal for another multi-role fighter jet will at all progress.
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Navy has put down its foot and this lady is shooting shit. A rear admiral who was offered a position of his choice and the test pilot who is head of test pilots in India are leaving within next four months. Unhappy with NLCA project and the treatment given to them. IN will have no fighter pilots left in that senior positions to wet any fighter aircraft.
Gadhon kee jamaat hogi aur gadhey hee faisla lengay.
LCA Tejas Fighter Gets Big Push From Modi Govt, All Eyes On Action
In what is being seen as a timely and hard show of support to India’s LCA Tejas light fighter program, Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman today said, “We are looking forward to the LCA Mk.2 coming at the earliest. We have made provisions for the program.”
The LCA Mk.2, an improved and more powerful version of the current LCA Tejas, is expected to be ready to fly in three years. With an array of improvements (including in maintainability), better sensors, weapons and engineering changes, it will also be powered by the more powerful GE F414 engine, allowing it a greater operational envelope for more missions. Unlike the LCA Navy Mk.2 which the government decided in 2016 to scrap, the Defence Minister’s word today on the LCA Air Force Mk.2 program comes as a major confidence boost.
The minister’s comments in Delhi today also come at a time when the MoD has just decided to abort a quest to build either F-16s or Gripens in India as part of a single-engine fighter production program. The collapse of that effort is being seen as a significant opportunity to accelerate the Tejas program.
Minister Sitharaman however expressed concern over Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd’s current rate of LCA Tejas production, saying that production rates needed to be significantly ramped up for the program to be viable and meet IAF requirements. HAL has struggled with production rates for years, but has pledged to accelerate the speed at which it can churn out the light fighters.
“For instance, if the production rate is six per year, we cant wait six years for 36 aircraft,” she said, adding, “We are putting our full energies into the Tejas program.”
The Indian Air Force, which began inducting the Tejas into squadron service last year, currently operates only a handful of jets. Its current orders total 123 aircraft, which includes 20 in intial operational clearance (IOC) configuration, 20 in final operational clearance (FOC) configuration and 83 in an interim Mk.1A configuration, the full contours of which were first reported in detail by Livefist here.
Speaking exclusively to Livefist on the LCA Tejas program, Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) chief Dr. S. Christopher has welcomed the Defence Minister’s words.
“I am absolutely confident that the LCA Tejas Mk.2 will meet all requirements in a timely manner. I am also 100 per cent sure of further orders of not just the LCA Mk.1A but at least 200 of the Mk.2. Both of these aircraft will have tremendous export potential,” Christopher said.
Dr Christopher took a sortie in an LCA Tejas in January with IAF test pilot Air Vice Marshal A.P. Singh in the north east.
“The aircraft has matured wonderfully, to the full credit of our teams of engineers and scientists,” Christopher said. “It is a moment of great pride for us, but also a priority to see that the rest of the Tejas journey is very smooth.”
In what is being seen as a timely and hard show of support to India’s LCA Tejas light fighter program, Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman today said, “We are looking forward to the LCA Mk.2 coming at the earliest. We have made provisions for the program.”
The LCA Mk.2, an improved and more powerful version of the current LCA Tejas, is expected to be ready to fly in three years. With an array of improvements (including in maintainability), better sensors, weapons and engineering changes, it will also be powered by the more powerful GE F414 engine, allowing it a greater operational envelope for more missions. Unlike the LCA Navy Mk.2 which the government decided in 2016 to scrap, the Defence Minister’s word today on the LCA Air Force Mk.2 program comes as a major confidence boost.
The minister’s comments in Delhi today also come at a time when the MoD has just decided to abort a quest to build either F-16s or Gripens in India as part of a single-engine fighter production program. The collapse of that effort is being seen as a significant opportunity to accelerate the Tejas program.
Minister Sitharaman however expressed concern over Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd’s current rate of LCA Tejas production, saying that production rates needed to be significantly ramped up for the program to be viable and meet IAF requirements. HAL has struggled with production rates for years, but has pledged to accelerate the speed at which it can churn out the light fighters.
“For instance, if the production rate is six per year, we cant wait six years for 36 aircraft,” she said, adding, “We are putting our full energies into the Tejas program.”
The Indian Air Force, which began inducting the Tejas into squadron service last year, currently operates only a handful of jets. Its current orders total 123 aircraft, which includes 20 in intial operational clearance (IOC) configuration, 20 in final operational clearance (FOC) configuration and 83 in an interim Mk.1A configuration, the full contours of which were first reported in detail by Livefist here.
Speaking exclusively to Livefist on the LCA Tejas program, Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) chief Dr. S. Christopher has welcomed the Defence Minister’s words.
“I am absolutely confident that the LCA Tejas Mk.2 will meet all requirements in a timely manner. I am also 100 per cent sure of further orders of not just the LCA Mk.1A but at least 200 of the Mk.2. Both of these aircraft will have tremendous export potential,” Christopher said.
Dr Christopher took a sortie in an LCA Tejas in January with IAF test pilot Air Vice Marshal A.P. Singh in the north east.
“The aircraft has matured wonderfully, to the full credit of our teams of engineers and scientists,” Christopher said. “It is a moment of great pride for us, but also a priority to see that the rest of the Tejas journey is very smooth.”
Tejas is not intended for deep strike roles. thats what the MKIs, Jags, Rafales are for
Tejas is more for point defence, interception inside the home territory. maybe even support roles for AWACS, AEWC both inside home territory as well.
If they decide to add canards we’ll be looking at a 10 year plan to match the gripens of today
I do have the same thought, ADA getting a golden opportunity to develop a product which can compete with Gripen, They got the required engine …Now they should bring an airframe which can do the same what Gripen can …Only time is not on their side.I believe they will give 200% as this govt completely backing them.
During my presentation to IN, they did talk of canards being fitted to MK2 to make it compliant with IN requirements.
Compound delta with canards. Again they are going for something overtly complicated. Some how they forget that keeping it simple is always right. Vapis pura jugaad, another decade lost.
The dimensions of the airframe for LCA MK2 was finalised last year. It is 14.m in length vs 13.2m if MK1.
Also, it is not just the airframe change that takes decade if time but change in subsystem and improvement in technology. The technology of MK2 will be similar to MK1A with some of the drawbacks which could not be corrected due to smaller size being corrected with a larger MK2.
Why would that take so much time? Mk2 is coming in 5 years.
For Tejas of Navy, LEVCON will be used. It is for short landing. That is not canard.
Canard was also considered extensively and ADA decided against it. Instead double delta with a crank was made. But for Navy, the requirements of short landing made canards important as it provides additional drag and on tilting can act like a wind breaker. So, LEVCON, a canard attached to the wing was used.
These designs were similar for MK1 itself. There has been no redesign for MK2 except on dimensions.