LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions

That was always the plan. It doesn't matter now. Hope they merge the mk-2 programs.
remember watching a video somewhere, they mentioned that going from the AF version to Navy version is more challenging, they should have gone form the Naval version to the AF version. perhaps thats the plan - Mk II Naval Version then AF version from there.
 
remember watching a video somewhere, they mentioned that going from the AF version to Navy version is more challenging, they should have gone form the Naval version to the AF version. perhaps thats the plan - Mk II Naval Version then AF version from there.
That's because AF Mk2 version is an afterthought. LCA mk2 was navy's brainchild.
 
Revealed: The LCA Tejas That The IAF Has Chosen

India’s home-built Tejas light fighter will finally be formally in squadron service with its primary customer, the Indian Air Force, starting Friday. On July 1, the Indian Air Force will induct a pair of series production airframes of the Tejas Mk.1 at a planned event there’s a conspicuous lack of noise about. Sure, the number of aircraft being inducted will be a tenth it takes to call itself a real squadron. And sure, the Tejas won’t be zipping off on combat air patrol or air defence duties immediately. But the significance of July 1 has perhaps already been lost in the turbulence of both the programme, as well as the way it has by default been regarded.
In October last year, your site had advocated that the LCA Tejas needs to see service as quickly as possible. That, in a sense, is what will be beginning to happen this Friday. But as you’ve probably heard already, it isn’t the Mk.1 type of the Tejas that has the IAF all lit up, but a configuration it agreed on last year designated the Mk.1A that’ll form the true Tejas backbone in service — 80 aircraft, with the possibility of 40 more have been ordered. In the tumult of operational clearance points and timelines, not very much has been reported on the Mk.1A itself and why the IAF has its sights set on the type, and what has been reported is mostly broad.
The known updates are clear. The Mk.1A will be mid-air refuellable, sport an updated internal Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) — likely in-house kit from the DRDO’s DARE laboratory — an external Self Protection Jammer (SPJ) pod to enhance survivability and an AESA Radar, both of which the Tejas programme is scouting international suppliers for. The IAF has also stipulated that the Tejas Mk.1A needs to be able to fire different types of BVR and close combat air to air missiles. The Tejas has so far fired Vympel R-73 CCMs and a Derby BVR missile. It’ll need to prove itself using the R-77, Python-5 and DRDO Astra too. Those, Livefist learns, are on track.
The meat of the Mk.1A will be a slew of major improvements in the LCA’s squadron-level maintainability contours. It is difficult to overstate just how much importance the IAF has placed on ramped up no-nonsense maintainability, more than a milestone away from the admittedly unwieldy maintenance architecture built into the Mk.1. On maintainability alone, the Tejas Mk.1A will have the 43 improvements out of 57 planned on the bigger, more powerful Tejas Mk.2:
  1. Panel interchangeability: In the prototype stage, composite panels were built and matched to specific airframes. For the Mk.1A, tooling will be built up and panels moulded lending themselves to easy interchangeability between airframes, plus spares. The IAF won’t deal with a platform that doesn’t allow at least this level of squadron-level maintainability, so this is priority.
  2. Quick access: Several airframe panels that required daily servicing have a large number of screws that need to be removed — a time consuming affair that eats into the platform’s turnaround time. These will be replaced on the Mk.1A by quick release fasteners making it easier and faster for maintainers access, considerably bringing down time required to service aircraft. Importantly, quick release fasteners will remain with the panel and therefore minimise FOD chances.
  3. Gromets in composite panels: When fasteners are regularly used for removal and installation, there is a possibility of damage and widening of holes. Mk.1A panels will have to stop this.
  4. LRU positions: A number of LRUs will be repositioned for better access. Current configurations make it nuisance to access frequently used LRUs.
  5. Additional aids: The Mk.1A package will contain ground handling aids and testers to enable speedier turnaround of aircraft
But what about the Tejas Mk.2? The planned up-engined, beefed up Tejas variant has hit a bit of a vacuum now, with the IAF all but pronouncing that it won’t be pursuing the type. A contest awarded to GE for the the F414-GE-INS6 turbofan engine hasn’t translated into a contract yet. But the Mk.2 programme is still very much on. A top official told Livefist, “As far as ADA and HAL are concerned, we are progressing design and development of Mk.2 as it has been approved by the Govt. There are benefits in continuing with it.”
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Improvements planned on the Tejas Mk.2, apart from the more powerful engine and attendant expansion of op envelope, include new sensors, new indigenous actuators, and a new indigenous avionics architecture. The variant will also involve the removal of 250 kg in ballast weight, a further half ton weight reduction through revised design factors, performance improvements by “aerodynamic refinements of geometry”, an internal electronic warfare suite (incorporate in the Mk.1A plan), a brand new suite of indigenous avionics systems currently under development, a new digital flight control computer, OBOGS for mission endurance. Crucially, the Mk.2 will also sport an additional LP bleed port from the engine, a safety feature to ensure crucial backup for flight-critical Bleed Air Shut Off Valve (BASOV) failure for fuel tank pressurisation. In addition, the type will get fuel system improvements, NVG compatible external lighting with LEDs.
 
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43 improvement in a single jet and that will directly go in production without any testing by IAF is beyond my ability to understand.

And since previous DM announced this interim version for IAF I haven't saw a single news from official sources regarding the progress made by HAL in this project. Whats more worrying is 8 SPs are with Squad-45, next 12 will be available within a year and 20 remaining will hardly take 16-18 months if everything goes as per plan. So if HAL is not ready with MK1A plan by now then when will they start component cutting ?

Also does anybody has any idea where is FOC process stuck ? They have extended deadline till Dec 2018, hope that will not affect the production of next 20 MK1 FOC standard. Nothing looks in sync whenever IAF and HAL work together.:confused::confused:
 
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HAL gearing up to make 16 Tejas LCA a year, says CFO

Contract to build 83 aircraft, worth about ₹50,000 crore, may be inked soon
Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is enhancing its capacities to make improved versions of light combat aircraft (LCA), also known as Tejas, according to a top company official.

The Centre had issued a request for proposal (RFP) for 83 LCA in December, setting the ball rolling for finalising the contract for the deal worth about ₹50,000 crore. In addition to the 83 Mk-1A to be ordered, there are 40 aircraft of earlier variants on order.


Delivery schedule

“We are enhancing our facilities to build 16 Tejas a year from eight now. All the Tejas [units] will be delivered in the next five years,” C.V. Ramana Rao, director (finance) and CFO, HAL, told The Hindu. However, while the current production rate is eight aircraft per year, only six aircraft have been delivered to the IAF in the last two years, sources said.

HAL is building the improved version of Tejas after getting feedback from the Indian Air Force. “The improvised version of Tejas would have an advanced active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar system, a new electronic warfare sensor suite and a new external refuelling capability,” according to M. Mazhar Ali, executive director in-charge of planning and projects, HAL.

The final contract for the procurement of 83 LCA is expected to be signed soon, according to sources.

To take advantage of the government’s UDAN or regional connectivity scheme, HAL was in negotiations with airlines to sell the civilian version of Dornier 228 transport aircraft, the sources added.
 
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The Centre had issued a request for proposal (RFP) for 83 LCA in December, setting the ball rolling for finalising the contract for the deal worth about ₹50,000 crore. In addition to the 83 Mk-1A to be ordered, there are 40 aircraft of earlier variants on order.

Does this mean that LCA Mk-1A costs Rs 602 Crore/plane? That is close to USD 90 million, and little less than the cost of basic Rafale?
 
I think this would include cost of setting up infrastructure as well. Even if LCA is costly it's still better as money is reinvented into indian economy and is acting as a catalyst for future development.
According to initial projections, LCA was supposed to cost 10 mil per piece. Later it was revised to 20 and now 90 mil !! Even if you remove cost of infrastructure, still cost per plane is very high. One of the reason could be the inefficient manufacturing process of HAL.
 
According to initial projections, LCA was supposed to cost 10 mil per piece. Later it was revised to 20 and now 90 mil !! Even if you remove cost of infrastructure, still cost per plane is very high. One of the reason could be the inefficient manufacturing process of HAL.

I remember Mk-1 itself was around USD 27 mil or 30 mil. Not sure how it has come up to 90mil?
 
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Whats New? – Indian Defence Research Wing
SOURCE: VISHAL KARPE / FOR MY TAKE / ****
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The basic MK-2 concept which over the years haven’t changed much and MK-2 was supposed to be simply extended LCA-Tejas MK1 air frame with additional capabilities in terms of power and avionics but never actually with a significant increase in operational capabilities but something has changed off lately and murmurs are too loud to be completely ignored about possibility of India now working on completely new concept .
Indian Air Force issuing a letter of intent to procure 201 Tejas MK-2 to supplement cancellation of Single Engine Fighter (SEF) Tender for 114 units hints at MK-2 concept planned will have credible improvements in operational and enhanced performance, much more than originally conceived.
The original MK-2 concept had a powerfull General Electric Supplied F414-INS6 turbofan engine generating 98 kN class of thrust. Extended Airframe supposedly allowed aircraft to carry additional equipment like onboard DRDO built advanced electronic warfare (EW) suite, Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar along with indigenous ‘onboard oxygen generating system’ (OBOGS).
The MK-2 concept was supposed to have additional fuel carrying capacity but the use of higher thrust engine and additional weight of the aircraft meant it largely negated any considerable bump in higher weapons payload carrying capacity nor it could have increased the operational range of the aircraft when compared to MK-1.
New MK-2 concept will not see any new design but might see considerable improvement in Maximum Takeoff weight (MTOW), External Payload capabilities along with improved ferry range bringing the aircraft in a similar class of Gripen-E. Buzz that New MK-2 concept might also get Canards to improve its low-speed performance and handling hints that new concept will be a larger platform which can accommodate additional weights of Canards or LEVCONs (Leading Edge Vortex CONtrollers) as seen in Naval Prototypes of LCA.
Unconfirmed reports say that IAF has asked for Maximum take-off weight of New MK-2 concept to be close to 16 tonnes, which is way over then old MTOW of 14.7 tonnes convinced initially for MK-2 Concept. Additional MTOW might have been to accommodate increase in internal fuel and payload carrying capacities which directly will improve ferry range and operational capabilities of the aircraft.
A final MK-2 design will be out only by end of 2018 and design changes if any will be confirmed in next years Aero India 2019.
 
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I had already said that FOC now means Mk1A configuration hence all the delay. Earlier FOC was to be achieved by 2014 then shifted to 2015 and now 2018 end. Why? Because new foc standards which is Mk1A. There could also be engine change to f414 in Mk1A as there are no new orders for f404 and f414 have started to arrive..
Naysayers will be in for some real nasty surprise....:)