Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

First let us stop and blunt their attack

The terrain is such that attackers will suffer grevious casualties

Their Conflict termination objective is not to acquire territory

It is to.declare victory after Killing X number of Indians

Acquiring territory is easy
Holding it is impossible in mountainous terrain

They are trying to draw us in their kill zones
Do you know what is going to be our axis of attack and how we plan to counter them? It could be that we have been able to make out their game plan and are ready with a counter? One thing is very clear from the Galwan stand off and PLA making fortifications there, they want to cut off DBDBO road to take over SSN. Now once we know their game plan, what do you think we will do? For the first ever time, I am getting the feeling that IA might fight a highly offensive battle across entire LAC and shock PLA.

Yes, thats how things are poised. There options available are -

1) Mutual withdrawal - Which chinese wont be interested in
2) India give away and move back - Modi will not be interested in
3) Let the guns decide who to remain where

Which is more likely.......... The third one is the most deadliest and will have its impact felt across world not only india but across.....
Indian Armed forces have done deployment for a war. Every asset from ITBP to IRB has been mobilised.

IA is keeping quiet and not dismantling it shows that they have some very different game plan. PLA and IA both need time and therefore this facade of diplomatic talks. Diplomacy is used to buy time and not to replace the inevitable. I had clearly stated that GOI must announce full mobilisation. We have 65% of our population between 18-40 age group. This means about 75 crore people. If we discount 60% of them for being women/invalidated guys/unfit, we still have nearly 30 crore people fit to fight a war and this total is more than the combined strength which Pakistan and China can bring to battle.
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IA and PLA positions of last few months. While we were playing nothing happened, everything is ok now, let's disengage, fall back China was building fortification.

When PM misleads a nation on such serious issues it's bound to happen. We should not let any individual do any informal summit keeping security establishment and country in dark. We don't know what was discussed in those summits and they(read Wuhan Spirit) have been used to mask every Chinese aggression, till the point when PM lied outrightly. For him his reputation, image may matter but for that he is giving up a lot from country.

PM is prisoner of his own rhetoric, assessment, country should not pay the price for it.
Yes. Modi is now going to be tested. he has to either walk the talk or take a walk. No other options for him.
 
Really, send 100 men.. thats all it takes ? And who killed 20 IA men.. the same wimps? Also, they have built fortifications and supplies at PP14.. in any hand to hand combat in such a well defended area.. we will lose many more men than the chinese..
My 100 men was just an estimate. Well let's say that if the camp at PP14 has a capacity of 1000 men we should send 1200 men and remove them and at the same time consolidate it.
Well the PLA soldiers are wimps arrogant wimps at that. Had they been really capable of fighting they wouldn't have been outfought by smaller contingent of Indian forces. Our men died taking on at the ratio of 1:10. Even the Pakistanis would have done more damage than what the PLA did. The attack on Col. Babu was well planned as the news reports are coming out even with so much planning they got their collective asses kicked. No amount of equipment could save their asses. From what I've seen by this galwan episode. The Chinese are superior to us in strategic long term warfare but right now the PLA is incapable of defending any points no matter how much they fortify it. The soldiers are literal snowflakes. They are belligerent because they underestimate us and the whole aura of military superiority is a facade that these stupid snowflakes actual believe in. That post at PP 14 can easily be overrun by our forces just equipped with decent riot gear. They will will all run like little wimps. Force the Chinese to blink and fire the first shot. Show the world that we are the victim of Chinese belligerence and create a strong anti Chinese opinion we may lose a few soldiers in the process but atleast we can retake our land and also take bellicose stance openly.
You are overestimating the common PLA soldier. The real power of the PLA is in the economy and manufacturing engine that runs it. It's too big to be defeated but the soldiers are not them. They are just way too arrogant to actually fight. Even the Nepalis could give us a better fight than these brave PLA party members.
 
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Do you know what is going to be our axis of attack and how we plan to counter them? It could be that we have been able to make out their game plan and are ready with a counter? One thing is very clear from the Galwan stand off and PLA making fortifications there, they want to cut off DBDBO road to take over SSN. Now once we know their game plan, what do you think we will do? For the first ever time, I am getting the feeling that IA might fight a highly offensive battle across entire LAC and shock PLA.


Indian Armed forces have done deployment for a war. Every asset from ITBP to IRB has been mobilised.


IA is keeping quiet and not dismantling it shows that they have some very different game plan. PLA and IA both need time and therefore this facade of diplomatic talks. Diplomacy is used to buy time and not to replace the inevitable. I had clearly stated that GOI must announce full mobilisation. We have 65% of our population between 18-40 age group. This means about 75 crore people. If we discount 60% of them for being women/invalidated guys/unfit, we still have nearly 30 crore people fit to fight a war and this total is more than the combined strength which Pakistan and China can bring to battle.

Yes. Modi is now going to be tested. he has to either walk the talk or take a walk. No other options for him.
Aren't these areas abandoned once winter sets in, say around November at the latest? What happens to all these temporary structures erected then - be it Indian or Chinese?
 
Do you know what is going to be our axis of attack and how we plan to counter them? It could be that we have been able to make out their game plan and are ready with a counter? One thing is very clear from the Galwan stand off and PLA making fortifications there, they want to cut off DBDBO road to take over SSN. Now once we know their game plan, what do you think we will do? For the first ever time, I am getting the feeling that IA might fight a highly offensive battle across entire LAC and shock PLA.


Indian Armed forces have done deployment for a war. Every asset from ITBP to IRB has been mobilised.


IA is keeping quiet and not dismantling it shows that they have some very different game plan. PLA and IA both need time and therefore this facade of diplomatic talks. Diplomacy is used to buy time and not to replace the inevitable. I had clearly stated that GOI must announce full mobilisation. We have 65% of our population between 18-40 age group. This means about 75 crore people. If we discount 60% of them for being women/invalidated guys/unfit, we still have nearly 30 crore people fit to fight a war and this total is more than the combined strength which Pakistan and China can bring to battle.

Yes. Modi is now going to be tested. he has to either walk the talk or take a walk. No other options for him.

Both of them knows each others and their possible plan.
But it seems this will be bloody one.
First of all in mountain warfare the party that is on top of the mountain has advantage.
PLA has advantage.

But due to terrain factor which everyone already knows IAF have advantage over PLAAF.

Last thing we have more than enough manpower.
But need money ,weapons and technology .
And during this COvid time it would be Herculean task.

And for the PM if he cant stand up against China this time.
It would be a Waterloo for his political career.
Will destroy the strong man image he takes.

But AFAIK Modi wont back down .Guy has tremendous will power .
Mobilisation of entire military showed his nature .
Most probably there will be limited war includes AF and Army .
Navy involves if it gets serious
 
But the Military really needs to be given a complete freedom to do its job.
I assume BJP gave this freedom to IA. But it is far from ground reality, our border fortification has been slower than PLA, events like Pulwama should have never happened. Surely something is missing here.
 
War is inevitable. Chinese are doing a smart thing. They are engaging us in talks and also building up all across LAC. Let us make a dash for Lhasa from Sikkim and Tawang. We need to locate each and every fuel dump and storage tank in Tibet and take them down within first two hours of the war.

Their aim is remove us from siachen and increase the buffer between us and the Karakoram. The fight is for extending Aksai Chin and linking it with Shaksam. The quicker we realise what they are up to, the more forcefully we can respond. De-capitation of PoJK is paramount now. Else, this will just be delaying the game.
 
Their aim is remove us from siachen and increase the buffer between us and the Karakoram. The fight is for extending Aksai Chin and linking it with Shaksam. The quicker we realise what they are up to, the more forcefully we can respond. De-capitation of PoJK is paramount now. Else, this will just be delaying the game.
Actually their final aim to takeover Ladakh in it's enteriety. Hence, in case this conflagration we have turns into a war, our calculations ought to rest on whether we can hold our own which could also mean increasing our hold by pushing the Chinese beyond the Karakorum to strengthen our defences. For if we can't hold our own this time & we initiate a war, we may end up losing Ladakh. In which case, we might as well sit it out, strengthen our position & postpone the inevitable which we'd have to face in a few years from now.
 
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Aren't these areas abandoned once winter sets in, say around November at the latest? What happens to all these temporary structures erected then - be it Indian or Chinese?
It stopped after Kargil. Thanks to Pakistanis.

First of all in mountain warfare the party that is on top of the mountain has advantage.
PLA has advantage.
Yes. A man on high ground has advantage but if the terrain is like that of Ladakh, it is a problem.

But AFAIK Modi wont back down .Guy has tremendous will power .
Mobilisation of entire military showed his nature .
Most probably there will be limited war includes AF and Army .
Navy involves if it gets serious
IN will be involved bigtime. We have to defeat China in all domains to rise again as the world power and the way QUAD will behave, they will want IN to go into offensive. PLAN is easy meat for us in IOR and SCS with QUAD. China has tried to bite more than it can chew. Its not Indo-Pak equation where the world will look other way. Its India-China-world equation. Modi will fight this war and also win it. In 1962, stars favouered China but this time with similar star alignment, the stars favour India. It might turn out to be as one sided this time also but against China and in favour of India.

Their aim is remove us from siachen and increase the buffer between us and the Karakoram. The fight is for extending Aksai Chin and linking it with Shaksam. The quicker we realise what they are up to, the more forcefully we can respond. De-capitation of PoJK is paramount now. Else, this will just be delaying the game.
I always stated that it was about CPEC and relieving pressure on Pakistan. Chinese have spent largest amount of money in CPEC. They can't let it go. They initially tried to rope in India as a partner but that failed. Now with BJP announcing that they want whole of J&K including POJK & GB, china is worried about its investments. Did it ever occur to you that China will loose East Turmenistan and Tibet if India has to go into offensive with world behind us?
Irrespective of who fires first shot, The supplylines of PLA will get demolished and destroyed by us. The famous 6th army of Germans for whom Hitler had said that they can they even win heavens for him was defeated only because of very long supplylines. The Battle of Stalingrad has the dubious distinction wherein a Field Martial surrendered to the enemy.
We have to ensure that initial rocket arty barrage of PLA is not able to cause much damage to our frontline formations and infra deep inside. After that they will not have reloads with them. But if India seizes the initiative and strikes them first thru pre-emptive strikes, we wont have any threat to even our formations from Chinese arty and rocket forces. After that the game goes to use of nukes. We are more than prepared to kill over 80% chinese population as they are not homogeneously spread like Indian population. Plus, first nuke strike on India will bring a shower of nukes on China from rest of the world. The pet dogs of China, will be gone much before that. I mean Pakistan & N Korea.
I am 100% sure that even Russia will help India in this war as they too have very old grudge with China plus demise of China will help them more than a strong China. They want to get into Mongolia, especially inner Mongolia. World and chinese want China dismembered. Freedom from CCP.
 
People just dont understand or appreciate the Tyranny of the mountainous terrain

PLA will achieve nothing by an offensive
Our artillery will decimate both their front and the rear

Similarly they expect us to attack first

Which will enable them to kill A large Number of soldiers and then declare withdrawl and victory

They are here to " Teach us a lesson "

And give a message to the rest of Asia

Also if we attack first , Pakistan will feel obliged to help its friend , maKing it a two front war

Even.if the Chinese occupy some territory , how will the sustain that occupation and for how long

It is all about a political messaging

Defeat and Humiliate India , which is their biggest rival

They want us to attack first that will justify their two front plans
 
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Nitin Gokhale says the construction at PP 14 is indian and not chinese.. But how is it possible, that India burns superpower China's tents, and then builds fortifications at PP14.
 
Chinese got triggered after Amit Shah made the Aksai Chin reference in Parliament.

From the posts by seniors here, it seems the Army has a game plan ready. Question is will the govt. move ahead? So far we are playing like Dhoni in the last days of his career while the Chinese use the time to fortify all the areas they crept into.
 
Indian Armed forces have done deployment for a war. Every asset from ITBP to IRB has been mobilised.
Entire OSNITs (or ASSNITs) and the defence jornos are covering the chinese build up across LAC, while smartly they are ignoring the Indian build up(rightly so). The game is on.........

My gut feel says the real fight is all bout pongong Tso, but the first bullet will be fired else where,
 
Chinese got triggered after Amit Shah made the Aksai Chin reference in Parliament.

From the posts by seniors here, it seems the Army has a game plan ready. Question is will the govt. move ahead? So far we are playing like Dhoni in the last days of his career while the Chinese use the time to fortify all the areas they crept into.
I am now wondering about something totally different. For all we know, Indian forces are completely out of ammunition. Our procurement process is too messed up and our reserves are not even replenished. This is why entire bureaucracy is now running like a headless chicken doing diplomacy and trying to get some emergency supply.. They don't even have a day worth of ammo.
 
Really, send 100 men.. thats all it takes ? And who killed 20 IA men.. the same wimps? Also, they have built fortifications and supplies at PP14.. in any hand to hand combat in such a well defended area.. we will lose many more men than the chinese..

The Chinese were testing the IA, now they now what to add for the fortification. They will fortify every corner of the path valley area mountain, that's the advantage they have over India due to manufacturing power.
 
I am now wondering about something totally different. For all we know, Indian forces are completely out of ammunition. Our procurement process is too messed up and our reserves are not even replenished. This is why entire bureaucracy is now running like a headless chicken doing diplomacy and trying to get some emergency supply.. They don't even have a day worth of ammo.
Well then it suits us to keep talking and bore the Chinese to death isn't it till we stock up adequately. What're you complaining about?
 
Entire OSNITs (or ASSNITs) and the defence jornos are covering the chinese build up across LAC, while smartly they are ignoring the Indian build up(rightly so). The game is on.........
No. Shiv Aroor did cover some. Its anemic.
 
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IN will be involved bigtime. We have to defeat China in all domains to rise again as the world power and the way QUAD will behave, they will want IN to go into offensive.

Sir, I recall you made a detailed assessment of war on india-pak, with diagrams and other information on how IA/IAF/IN can take pakistani strategic assets out in a matter of hours. Do you have something lined up for China?