Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Why are you so obsessively salty about Babus bro? And if you feel they are the bane for all of India's problems, why did you not go for UPSC instead of flying away to cold Canada?
Their defences can't break the speed of the missle.
Who told that only sam is the only defense against incoming missile? It just one of the defense. Brahmos can be dodged by EW systems, by logic huge platforms like ac will have very potent EW systems.
 
War has become inevitable with China with the way things are going, and Ambani's business will be safe no matter what happens on the Chinese border. So there's no lasting issue on that front. Any effect is going to be temporary, until the war lasts, which could be weeks to months.

The main problem for Ambani et al is war with Pakistan, since nukes are in play and his $2B house is a target. Anyway, businesses can't do much to stop a country that's ready to go to war.

Well India will then need to prepare to not to get caught with pants down once again. Because Chinese also have brains they would also be calculating when to act when not to act and how to act,. Whether to involve Pakistan and to what extent they want Pakistan to get involved. Escpecially to stop any US and Russian or European assistance to India, that has to be their primary diplomatic goal in case of skirmish. Etc etc and etc.
 
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Its not the Modi that I "hate". Infact he is replacable if defective. It is other parts that worry me. Indian Army has capability but it does not have a "will" of her own. It is not allowed to have a "will" of her own. Its that will and direction that flows from south block that worries me.
Indian army doesn't need a will it's an instrument of the government. If the army started having a mind of its own it will become like the Pakistani army. It cannot defy the orders of the ruling government. The previous regimes have worked tirelessly on weakening our strategic capability to a point that we can't even properly handle the Pakistanis. It took someone like Modi to fix all the terrorism and security lapses that became a recurring experience during NDA1 and UPA...
 
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If I was Xi Poo I would have attacked India NOW! India is in a very critical position now defence wise! 2/3 years down the line a lot of conventional capability imbalance would be bridged! And would continue to be bridged until a Congress/Khichdi govt comes back to power for a decade or so!
Also if I were Bajwa I would keep instigating Xi to get things done before the conventional asymmetry b/w Pak and Ind gets even bigger!
 
This government has done some serious infra development at lac, but when comes to defense acquisition, they torpedoed the most ambitious project aka mmrca.
36 BOUGHT is way better than 126 THOUGHT!
MMRCA was a project of 126 fighter jets whose induction was supposed to start in 2009 and end by around 2022! That is the cost would have been spread evenly over 13 yrs which did not happen! Modi took a realistic decision, inked 36. I am pretty confident he will extend the deal once the first batch induction completes. MMRCA in paper means NOTHING! He is getting it done.
 
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it performs S maneuvres towards the end to hit. This randomized flight pattern will prevent any hits. Using bernauuli's principle, the high velocity will allow it have high inherent lift to execute even complex avoidance turns.
Before hitting the target, on board seeker need a lock on the intended target. Do you think that the EW systems of an AC is incapable to blind the small radio seeker of the missile?
 
Considering armed forces echelons are willing to fight more than the government.
Yes. Armed Forces have clearly told Govt that without a military action, PLA can't be evicted with negotiations and if allow this to become a new normal, than we will end up losing complete Ladakh. GOI has given forces clearance to prepare for war.

Sir as a veteran do you feel the force leadership of the day can try to force the sequence of events like in the 80s when Gen. Sundarj was at the helm.
They have given clear message to present GOI that chinese are here to stay and they will continue this salami slicing unless evicted from whole of Aksai Hind. There have been some very blunt talking between Military and GOI.
 
Yes. Armed Forces have clearly told Govt that without a military action, PLA can't be evicted with negotiations and if allow this to become a new normal, than we will end up losing complete Ladakh. GOI has given forces clearance to prepare for war.


They have given clear message to present GOI that chinese are here to stay and they will continue this salami slicing unless evicted from whole of Aksai Hind. There have been some very blunt talking between Military and GOI.
To change our "holding off " strategy to " go inside" we first need to relive the units from possible threats from the west.

That's going to take some time, and so any action with China is 5-7 years away.
 
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Before hitting the target, on board seeker need a lock on the intended target. Do you think that the EW systems of an AC is incapable to blind the small radio seeker of the missile?

'small' radio seeker? Hell a target that size you can even guide it blind asking it to strike at a particular GPS/Gagan coordinate (you can get that with sats) at a particular height. I have developed multiple navigational software systems and I can assure you, this is a piece of cake.
 
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'small' radio seeker? Hell a target that size you can even guide it blind asking it to strike at a particular GPS/Gagan coordinate (you can get that with sats) at a particular height. I have developed multiple navigational software systems and I can assure you, this is a piece of cake.

Before hitting the target, on board seeker need a lock on the intended target. Do you think that the EW systems of an AC is incapable to blind the small radio seeker of the missile?

AC is like an island. There will be multiple directional attempts by a military to take it down. Deployment of Nirbhaya at 40k ft from 200kms and after 6 minutes deploy two brahmos one from air 150km and another from sea from different directions, with a torpedo engagement from a submarine x Repeat to overload the defence equipments.
The Chinese will do the same with IN.
 
A wild thought - Distance from Afghanistan to ladakh is 750 km.
F35 has a combat range of 1200 km on internal fuel.
So if hostilities break out between the bat eaters and us , and the Americans actually want to get involved. Any possibility that these f35s carry out a few missions , with their stealth capability giving them deniability ?
 
AC is like an island. There will be multiple directional attempts by a military to take it down. Deployment of Nirbhaya at 40k ft from 200kms and after 6 minutes deploy two brahmos one from air 150km and another from sea from different directions, with a torpedo engagement from a submarine x Repeat to overload the defence equipments.
The Chinese will do the same with IN.
I think only @vstol Jockey can verify this. @vstol Jockey Sir does Brahmos is really an invincible as indians claim? I feel it can be jammed by a powerful EW suit from an aircraft carrier. Pls clarify it.
 
I think only @vstol Jockey can verify this. @vstol Jockey Sir does Brahmos is really an invincible as indians claim? I feel it can be jammed by a powerful EW suit from an aircraft carrier. Pls clarify it.
What you need to understand is that Brahmos or for that matter anti shipping variant of Klub is not launched alone. For a OHP frigate sized target a Talwar class Frigate will launch 3-4 Brahmos in a salvo. And it's very likely and expected that 1 missile will be shot down by CIWS systems. That's where it's supersonic speed, top attack or S manuver capabilities help it to give better results than compared to a salvo of 4 Harpoon or 4 Exocet missiles fired at a similar target.
 
To change our "holding off " strategy to " go inside" we first need to relive the units from possible threats from the west.

That's going to take some time, and so any action with China is 5-7 years away.

That suits us not the Chinks. They will want to settle these issues sooner than later. The post Covid world equations are still uncertain but tilting increasingly against China. They should be looking to knock India out before it becomes a huge problem for them.
 
That suits us not the Chinks. They will want to settle these issues sooner than later. The post Covid world equations are still uncertain but tilting increasingly against China. They should be looking to knock India out before it becomes a huge problem for them.
In any case we have good enough force levels to hold off a Chinese attack on multiple fronts.

But we shouldn't dream of mounting a successful offensive action.
 
1. Are we spread too thin along the LAC , with all the rushing too the border ?

We need troops in a few more places in order to gain an advantage over the Chinese. Right now, we only have some levels of parity.

2. Are our assets like airfields, army formations too easy targets for Chinese being deployed right at the border ?

No, they are quite safe. We have T-90s defending a lot of areas. As long as we prevent the Chinese from bombing our ground units, the Chinese won't be able to come in easily.

But we are lacking in some areas, and that needs to be taken care of. Take truck-mounted AK-630s for example. If we get enough of those, we will be able to protect some areas properly. It can attack infantry, light-skinned vehicles, LAT teams, mortars, artillery, helicopters, cruise missiles, ATGMs and PGMs. But it's still under development.

3. Are we exerting enough convincing pressure on the Chinese too withdraw or is too obvious that we won't take any action on the ground and the Chinese can sit pretty ?

No clue. It's ongoing stuff. We seem to be holding our ground in negotiations though.

4. Are our troops adequately protected against a expected Chinese missile barrage or will be caught in the open ?

Those who are unfortunately in the way will become martyrs. We do not know our current MRSAM deployment status. We need a few years to have adequate protection, plus the S-400s aren't in yet. Existing systems cannot stop SRBMs, although there is some capability in some areas when it comes to defending against TBMs.

5. Why has the government not stepped up economic pressure on the Chinese after tik tok banning ? These are low hanging fruits as the Chinese are very money minded and these measures hurt them more than losing men , who they can ignore and flush down the toilet.

It's ongoing. Let's see what the govt does over the short term first. For now, the economic measures taken have been pretty good. Banning Huawei, some Chinese construction tenders and all power equipment is a very good sign. Our biggest import from China is power equipment and other electrical systems, and it appears all of it has been banned. GoI is also making arrangements to move production of medical API to India, while also attracting electronics companies. But these two are going to take some time. The power and communication bans were the most important, and I'm glad that's taken care of.
 
Why are you so obsessively salty about Babus bro? And if you feel they are the bane for all of India's problems, why did you not go for UPSC instead of flying away to cold Canada?
I did that already. There is a post on that which was moved to "some other" thread (rightly so). You can read it.