Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

I am totally against this withdrawal plan. I am not sure how much was IA listened to when the Diplomats agreed to the terms. We played our offensive cards and now Chinese know how will we retaliate in future. They will now come back and choke us in those areas before we can hit them back. As I had stated earlier, LAC is now new LOC. There will be never ending problems and we will have to guard every inch of LAC. This means a large number of assets will have to be diverted to moniter LAC.
What has gone unnoticed by many is the speed of Induction of assets and also speed of de-induction of those assets by PLA. This shows the capability of the Infra they have on their side while we are still building it up. While I am not happy with the outcome, but better military sense tells me that it is better to buy time to increase your own strength than go into battle with unfit conditions. But now the onus is on GOI and Modi to ensure that long standing demands of the services are adequately addressed and money released to implement the long term weapons replacement and procurement plans expeditiously. Similarly, IA must very quickly re-organise its strike corps to be swing corps at least one of them and the Panagarh based strike Corps is brought to its full strength asap. We must be able to threaten Lhasa ina lightening move to cut off PLA and for that we need Mountain IBGs and a dedicated strike corps for NE border.
Yeh panga phir hoga. 2-3 saal baad hoga, lekin Hoga jaroor.
I am now 55 years old and joined NDA at the age of 18 yrs. In my memory, I have no incident wherein a country went for emergency weapon purchases when the enemy was at gate. Infect, even from the puranic battles to Mongol-Khsatriya wars to WW2, I have not found any such incident. India is the onky nation which has been found wanting in defence preparedness from 1947 till date. There is a very famous proverb- Shikaar kay time par kutiya hagaayi. Indian Armed forces have been forced to experience this by our babus and dhotidhaari chutiyaas. Modi Included. This idiot thoght that he can trust and handle CCP who are not trusted even by chinese themselves.
We must thank the brillient leadership of IA and their starategic thinking to put PLA on the mat on their back by taking over high grounds in the lakes area and Kailash range. it was something that PLA never ever thought off when they planned these war games in that 1x1 km war gaming area.
How long will we have this advantage of out thinking our Opponents? Military might is not so much about war fighting as much as It is about avoinding wars by deterrence. Remember the reluctance of Alexander to advance on to the Nanda Empire? he went back due to the very strong strength of Nanda Army. That strength itself was a deterrence.
 
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Chinese have already lost the surprise factor that is needed for a quick/limited war. If we consider this clash as a limited war then well it was not the outcome they expected. Given that Trump is gone now, chances of US support under Biden is pretty weak, chinese can certainly come back in next 6 months -2 years.

At the moment they probed us , sized up our response and gauged our military ability. May be next time we might have pakistan also join in as a diversionary tactic while chinese make their move.

We need to start making our pre-emptive moves, whether it is cutting pakistan to size by eroding their military ability or selling missiles to south east asian countries. We also need to remove our dependence on chinese trade, less the better. Need to keep both china & pakistan occupied.
 
Chinese have already lost the surprise factor that is needed for a quick/limited war. If we consider this clash as a limited war then well it was not the outcome they expected. Given that Trump is gone now, chances of US support under Biden is pretty weak, chinese can certainly come back in next 6 months -2 years.

At the moment they probed us , sized up our response and gauged our military ability. May be next time we might have pakistan also join in as a diversionary tactic while chinese make their move.

We need to start making our pre-emptive moves, whether it is cutting pakistan to size by eroding their military ability or selling missiles to south east asian countries. We also need to remove our dependence on chinese trade, less the better. Need to keep both china & pakistan occupied.

Are we even sure their objective was just Pangong Tso/Depsang.

They kept India tied up on the eastern border for the whole of 20-21 and made India spend a shitload of money. Even now India will be committing big numbers to the east.

Now who does that help... hmmm.....
 
Are we even sure their objective was just Pangong Tso/Depsang.

They kept India tied up on the eastern border for the whole of 20-21 and made India spend a shitload of money. Even now India will be committing big numbers to the east.

Now who does that help... hmmm.....
I think either way we would have to spend that money. Instead of doing it over time in a staggered manner we have done it one year.

Obviously for china it is not just a military objective at stake but also weaken India economically. We need to make pakistan irrelevant in Indo-china relationship just like we have done in US-India ties. Then we will have better ways of handling them.
 
If the foreign ministry grandees populating the China Study Group go by these findings & recommend funding the IN which the GoI follows lock stock & barrel without any questions asked, instead of taking a holistic approach advocating more funding for the IA & IAF primarily for a 2 front or at least a single front war in the east & the PLA swoop down to take Ladakh in 2-3 yrs, Eshwin, you can inaugurate your YT channel using this post as your platform to build on your theory on how the Chinese took us for a ride courtesy Uncle Gupta .

Don't worry, we won't mess your comments section quoting #8, 604.
 
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These are very impressive conclusions by the Chinese.

A very good watch.

@Milspec @vstol Jockey @Gautam @randomradio @Amal @suryakiran @zapper @Falcon @Nilgiri @Jaymax @Saaho @DivineHeretic

It is also important to realise that PRC releases such papers for a foreign audience essentially, whenever they (foreign institutes etc) come around to translating them for wider dissemination/analysis etc.

This is both designed to impress and give some nuance of interest/respect for another's geopolitical situation. Reading the paper, this is done broadly for the US, west, japan etc too.

What they actually think and plan for all various contingencies...i.e most direct red lines and flexibilities, they hold that close to chest and never ever publish openly...especially since mukden incident and what followed for 15 years. Dragon has a "long" memory (long means dragon in chinese too heh).
 
At the moment they probed us , sized up our response and gauged our military ability. May be next time we might have pakistan also join in as a diversionary tactic while chinese make their move.
It is for this reason that I have consistently maintained that the moment we resolve this border issue, we must finish off Pakistan. We now have fully acclamatised corps level troops in that area who should be turned towards POK/GB.
 
Hours after Congress leader Rahul Gandhi targeted the Narendra Modi-led government alleging that it has given up the country’s territory to China, the Ministry of Defence on Friday asserted that India has not conceded any territory as a result of the agreement finalised with Beijing for disengagement of troops in Pangong lake areas in eastern Ladakh.

“The assertion that Indian territory is up to Finger 4 is categorically false. The territory of India is as depicted by the map of India and includes more than 43,000 sq km currently under illegal occupation of China since 1962,” the MoD said in a statement.

“Even the Line of Actual Control (LAC), as per the Indian perception, is at Finger 8, not at Finger 4. That is why India has persistently maintained the right to patrol up to Finger 8, including in the current understanding with China. Permanent posts of both sides at the north bank of Pangong Tso are longstanding and well-established,” it added.

“On the contrary, it has enforced observance and respect for LAC and prevented any unilateral change in the status quo,” it further said.
 
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They will most definitely try again. And if they fail, they will do it again.

What they learnt this time was India's red lines. So the next time they will come better prepared, never mind the fact that they were well prepared this time, so you can say even better prepared. They inadvertently crossed India's red lines without meaning to. And their stationing of troops and tanks was a reaction to India's buildup, so the situation had escalated to beyond their calculations. I suppose they even tried to force India to back down with their buildup but failed. So I suppose this was their version of Op Parakram.

The winter may also have taught them some important things.
The chinese do not have the guts to take an adversary head on. They can only bully an opponent much weaker to them (the whole of SCS ASEAN nations) and poke a decent opponent like Japan and Taiwan with intrusions.

With India and the US, they only "pretend" with their claims of technology toys. This is the summary of their "actions" as it speaks.

The Galwan reality check spat on their face. Their front line actually shit in their pants on the thought of a real engagement with the Indians. Their policy is to disarm the opponent by signing ambiguously worded treaties and then play their game of deception and betrayal.

But now India has conveyed to the chinese to face the bullets if they try to come close. And so, China will now use the weak link of democracy by exploiting all the Jai Chands and Mir Jaffers within India to derail India. Eventually, the Gaddars are getting exposed.

India is eagerly looking for an opportunity when the chinese actually act out of frustration! India will not be kind. We have witnessed it in Galwan, and in 1987 and before that in 1967! 1962 was Nehru's panchsheel impotence!
 
The chinese do not have the guts to take an adversary head on.

They have always engaged their adversaries head-on. It's just that they lost every time, which is why they have changed tack. Hence their avoidance of war for many decades.

But once they think they are ready, they will most definitely comes guns blazing. A war is avoidable only between democratic countries with similar ideologies.
 
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It is for this reason that I have consistently maintained that the momentt we resolve this border issue, we must finish off Pakistan. We now have fully acclamatised corps level troops in that area who should be turned towards POK/GB.
Neither the international community nor the pakistan's nuke deterrence will allow us to do that.
Also, Modi may not be perfect but he pushed China back unlike Nehru. Also, the increase in defense budget and speed of border infrastructure development has been done under his leadership.
Certainly the GOI has much more information than any of us here based on which they are making decisions.

Criticism does not mean abusing the PM.
 
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