Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

These OSINT accounts and even Indian media put out many stories about adversaries actions but following them from 2019, it's mostly other way around. This may be Chinese reaction to IAF sorties.
 
I don't understand why this comes as a shock to everyone, with China it was always expected. They will keep ladakh active - even if no military action takes place it will put strains on us in the form of bills and bucks that we need to burn to keep our soldiers and equipments there. The only way this ends is landing a bloody blow on Chinese face - we know they don't want dead bodies.
 
I don't understand why this comes as a shock to everyone, with China it was always expected. They will keep ladakh active - even if no military action takes place it will put strains on us in the form of bills and bucks that we need to burn to keep our soldiers and equipments there. The only way this ends is landing a bloody blow on Chinese face - we know they don't want dead bodies.

Agreed. But, even if we want to, we are not going to do anything until COVID is done with and economic certainty is back.

Plus we neeed to finish import substitution of critical goods that come from China. We can't go to war with China right now and then demolish our entire economy due to lack of critical imports. The Chinese know they have our economy's balls in their hands. So until that's dealt with, we ain't doing jacksh!t to China.

As of last year, 45% of smartphone imports and 37% of all electronics come from China. "Steps are being taken" to curtail such large imports, but that requires time. Then there's API, which was 85% imports at one point. It's reducing quickly, but we will still need time to remove dependency. Same story with electrical products. We also need to cultivate non-Chinese rear earth sources.

We also need to switch to 5G, and allow time for some of our telecom companies to throw out Chinese tech already in the system.

Our smartphone dependency on China is unlikely to change much. The only way to deal with this is for our giant conglomerates to enter the segment at their own cost, with the govt helping them with easy loans, tax breaks, free utilities and such. Maybe Apple will enter the 10k-20k Rs segment with region-locked phones. :p

By the time all this happens, we are going to see general elections. So unless the Chinese do something on their own over the next 3 years, I don't see India attacking China until elections are over, if attacking them is part of the plan.
 
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Agreed. But, even if we want to, we are not going to do anything until COVID is done with and economic certainty is back.

Plus we neeed to finish import substitution of critical goods that come from China. We can't go to war with China right now and then demolish our entire economy due to lack of critical imports. The Chinese know they have our economy's balls in their hands. So until that's dealt with, we ain't doing jacksh!t to China.

As of last year, 45% of smartphone imports and 37% of all electronics come from China. "Steps are being taken" to curtail such large imports, but that requires time. Then there's API, which was 85% imports at one point. It's reducing quickly, but we will still need time to remove dependency. Same story with electrical products. We also need to cultivate non-Chinese rear earth sources.

We also need to switch to 5G, and allow time for some of our telecom companies to throw out Chinese tech already in the system.

Our smartphone dependency on China is unlikely to change much. The only way to deal with this is for our giant conglomerates to enter the segment at their own cost, with the govt helping them with easy loans, tax breaks, free utilities and such. Maybe Apple will enter the 10k-20k Rs segment with region-locked phones. :p

By the time all this happens, we are going to see general elections. So unless the Chinese do something on their own over the next 3 years, I don't see India attacking China until elections are over, if attacking them is part of the plan.
Apple entering 10K - 20K segment made me laugh so hard 🤣🤣🤣

It will be interesting to see what will be India's approach if China decides to force India's hand by attacking first (though unlikely). But since they know that they have a high share of our critical imports they can try and utilise that. I wonder if there is any viable plan done on our part to mitigate the above scenario.
 
Apple entering 10K - 20K segment made me laugh so hard 🤣🤣🤣

:ROFLMAO: It will be our only choice if China bans smartphone exports to India.

It will be interesting to see what will be India's approach if China decides to force India's hand by attacking first (though unlikely). But since they know that they have a high share of our critical imports they can try and utilise that. I wonder if there is any viable plan done on our part to mitigate the above scenario.

Most electronics and electrical goods can be made in India as long as the govt absorbs initial costs, even APIs. Rare earth supplies will be a big problem though. Even solar panels. But everything except smartphones can be supplied from within India or elsewhere.

Our best hope for smartphones will be Samsung supplies from Vietnam or even within India, but replacing Chinese supplies will take time. All we are doing right now is assembling phones. The main problem is in the low and mid-end segments. High end can easily be sourced from outside China.
 
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Apple entering 10K - 20K segment made me laugh so hard 🤣🤣🤣

It will be interesting to see what will be India's approach if China decides to force India's hand by attacking first (though unlikely). But since they know that they have a high share of our critical imports they can try and utilise that. I wonder if there is any viable plan done on our part to mitigate the above scenario.
first we have no money , plan ? what in the world is that our politicians are asking.

apple is there to make money , 10k-20k yes not phone but phone accessory!
 
I don't understand why this comes as a shock to everyone, with China it was always expected. They will keep ladakh active - even if no military action takes place it will put strains on us in the form of bills and bucks that we need to burn to keep our soldiers and equipments there. The only way this ends is landing a bloody blow on Chinese face - we know they don't want dead bodies.
even chinese are actually shocked on why we are repeatedly shocked given that this happens frequently.
 
The reason for this rotation may be that the Chinese troops deployed in the extreme conditions in the high latitude areas have been severely affected by the extreme conditions faced in high latitude, extreme cold and other related issues .

 

China conducts final trials of H-20 stealth bombers opposite Ladakh

Saturday, 12 June 2021 | Rakesh K Singh | New Delhi

Apparently sensing trouble post-withdrawal of the US troops from Afghanistan and in the midst of its continuing standoff with India, China is conducting the final trials of H-20 strategic stealth bombers at its Hotan airbase, opposite eastern Ladakh, before their deployment in the area.

The testing exercise that began on Tuesday will continue till June 22, the day that marks 100 years of formation of the Communist Party of China (CPC) and its rule.

Top sources privy to the development said at least three H-20 bombers, developed as an area-specific asset, are aimed at blunting the edge India acquired through the acquisition of Rafale jets.

The stealth feature and long endurance coupled with the capability to carry heavy payloads could potentially dodge the “detect and disable radar” capability of Rafales, they said.

The H-20, though officially not announced by China yet, is likely to be deployed after the assessment of the final test runs and possible tweaks at bases opposite Ladakh.

The induction of H-20 bombers could be a "game changer" as China is the third country after the US and Russia to possess stealth technology for fighters, sources said. The move could have repercussions for geopolitics in the region as also powerplay by the US and its allies in the disputed South China Sea and Taiwan.

“The stealth feature makes the Chinese strategic supersonic jets undetectable by any radar and Beijing seems to be going aggressive in protecting its investments in the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) as also Afghanistan,” a counter-terrorism expert said.

The Chinese jets’ enhanced “beyond visual range” (3,000 km) and significant payload can make these bombers hit targets in Balochistan, Afghanistan or Ladakh even without crossing the boundary, he said.

The project for development of the H-20 bombers was undertaken by China in 2010 when India was negotiating with the French Dassault Aviation to buy 126 Rafale jets. Within a span of over a decade, China reached the manufacturing stage. In contrast, India, in fact, curtailed the order size of the Rafales from 126 to just 36 without technology transfer despite the depleting sanctioned squadron strength.

The Chinese intention of making these strategic bombers an area-specific asset is clear from Beijing’s decision to designate the Hotan base for testing these stealth machines.

The development also marks a significant shift in Chinese strategy of deploying troops on the ground in areas bordering Ladakh as well as ramping up air defences to respond to any challenges with full might, officials said.

Earlier, the H-20 bombers were slated to be inducted in 2025. However, the timeline has been compressed which signals a shift in China’s approach in the region and the larger geopolitical space.

The H-20s are also estimated to be capable of carrying nuclear payloads and carry stealth missiles to defy air defences of enemy forces.

According to a 2020 Pentagon report on Chinese military power, the H-20s are estimated to have a range of 5,281 miles and a lift capacity of 10 tons of munitions.