Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Chain Smoker said:
Our army is already very big I don't think it will be better idea to increase man power since it will have more adverse effects on budget.
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Depends. If we are willing to be aggressive, then we don't need a lot of men. But if we plan to simply hand over initiative every time the PLA makes an aggressive move, then the army needs more men.

But that wasn't what the discussion was about.

Chain Smoker said:
I think by the end of this year.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1392213699213938689
We have a little window available during August-sept period to hit them hard.
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After vaccination, I don't believe the virus will be that useful to the Chinese, unless the Chinese have a brand new "your vaccine is useless" strain.
 
LX1111 said:
First, China has 13 armies, each of which has 12 brigades, six combat brigades, one logistics brigade, one artillery brigade, one electronic warfare brigade, one special forces, and one helicopter brigade.
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All those remaining ones are support units, not fighting units.

LX1111 said:
Second, in Xinjiang and Tibet, there are some relatively special units. Xinjiang has four divisions. The weapons are relatively backward. They are mainly used for defense. Tibet has three mountain mechanized infantry brigades and one mountain armored brigade.
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Yeah, you are referring to the military districts.

AFAIK, they have both GAs meant for the WTC in Ladakh right now, but not yet at full strength. At full strength, that's 2 SCs arrayed against us in just 1 sector. Apart from that they have other GAs from the Central and Southern commands that they can use. The Central one can be used to reinforce the 2 GAs from the WTC. So about 2 or 3 more GAs in total, if not more. That's a total of 24-30 brigades, equal to 12-15 small divisions or 4-7.5 of our full strength mountain divisions.

They already have what you fear.
 
randomradio said:
Depends. If we are willing to be aggressive, then we don't need a lot of men. But if we plan to simply hand over initiative every time the PLA makes an aggressive move, then the army needs more men.

But that wasn't what the discussion was about.
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I believe that Both Indian Army
And IAF Now have the " Measure " of the Chinese

If you look carefully , there is No news of Missile Tests , No news of Emergency purchases of Ammunition

It is now one Year , since the Chinese started this Aggressive Behavior

Everything has gone quiet

The Last Agreement --BECA , signed with USA , seems to be working very well

Our Own GISAT is delayed but still there is No panic

We need real time images of targets to be taken out.

We have the firepower
 
LX1111 said:
India does not need SIG716. Although AK203 is not the best, it is reliable enough.
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AK-203 is meant for support troops though. The frontline troops are gonna get their own new tender, as a follow-on to the SIG716, unless the IA simply decides to buy more straight from the US the minute the Chinese create more trouble. I get the feeling that's what's going to happen.

LX1111 said:
For all Indian troops, India needs more K9, more BMP3, more AH64E, and India needs UH60.
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Gotta agree. But that's gonna take forever to come in. But the IA is not interested in the BMP-3 and both the IAF and IA are now keen on HAL's new medium helicopter rather than the UH-60. The forces are currently more interested in inducting the Ka-226T and LUH, since our light helicopter fleet is completely obsolete, whereas with both Mi-17 and Dhruv, we are sorta set when it comes to larger helicopters.

I'd like to see some surplus M777s transferred to India quickly though.
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
I believe that Both Indian Army
And IAF Now have the " Measure " of the Chinese

If you look carefully , there is No news of Missile Tests , No news of Emergency purchases of Ammunition

It is now one Year , since the Chinese started this Aggressive Behavior

Everything has gone quiet

The Last Agreement --BECA , signed with USA , seems to be working very well

Our Own GISAT is delayed but still there is No panic

We need real time images of targets to be taken out.

We have the firepower
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That's what we lot in civilian circles are made to believe. The Chinese always keep quiet, and this time we have decided to keep quiet as well, because we still do not know what the Chinese intend to do this year.

What's happening behind the scenes must be complete clusterfvck.
 
randomradio said:
That's what we lot in civilian circles are made to believe. The Chinese always keep quiet, and this time we have decided to keep quiet as well, because we still do not know what the Chinese intend to do this year.

What's happening behind the scenes must be complete clusterfvck.
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I dont think so

Just because the Public and Govt made a mess of Corona , you are casting
Aspersions on the Military

Chinese ego was hurt by the Pangong withdrawal

So they are showing off in Other sectors like Gogra and Depsang

But I will say this again

Amassing troops and building infrastructure is one thing

Opening Fire is totally Another
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
I dont think so

Just because the Public and Govt made a mess of Corona , you are casting
Aspersions on the Military

Chinese ego was hurt by the Pangong withdrawal

So they are showing off in Other sectors like Gogra and Depsang

But I will say this again

Amassing troops and building infrastructure is one thing

Opening Fire is totally Another
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You misunderstood. I'm saying things are still very hot, we civilians are simply no longer in the loop anymore.
 
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randomradio said:
After vaccination, I don't believe the virus will be that useful to the Chinese, unless the Chinese have a brand new "your vaccine is useless" strain.
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You think world will keep quiet if a strain immune to vaccines is released by China and causes casualties in millions? If yes then China risk of getting bombed to stone age, even cut up into pieces.

I personally don't believe the theory of bio warfare. Cov-2 may have leaked accidentally through lab or wet markets.
 
randomradio said:
You misunderstood. I'm saying things are still very hot, we civilians are simply no longer in the loop anymore.
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With Each passing day our position is only improving

Covid has not affected our preparedness or morale

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Never seen such synergy among 3 services, not letting guard down on borders: CDS Bipin Rawat exclusive

Speaking exclusively with India Today TV, General Bipin Rawat said while there are constraints in handling the coronavirus pandemic, "such synergy between the three armed forces has never been seen before". He also said the armed forces are not letting their guard down on the border areas.
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Cole_phelps said:
You think world will keep quiet if a strain immune to vaccines is released by China and causes casualties in millions? If yes then China risk of getting bombed to stone age, even cut up into pieces.

I personally don't believe the theory of bio warfare. Cov-2 may have leaked accidentally through lab or wet markets.
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I agree with you there. I don't believe in the biowar theory as well. But the new Chinese virus doesn't have to be extremely dangerous. As long as it kills slowly over time, forcing govts to implement lockdowns to contain, the Chinese may manage to stay under the radar, possibly only receiving some economic punishment. I was only responding to the tweet posted, speculating on a third wave with an assumed dangerous strain that potentially ignores the vaccines.
 
randomradio said:
All those remaining ones are support units, not fighting units.



Yeah, you are referring to the military districts.

AFAIK, they have both GAs meant for the WTC in Ladakh right now, but not yet at full strength. At full strength, that's 2 SCs arrayed against us in just 1 sector. Apart from that they have other GAs from the Central and Southern commands that they can use. The Central one can be used to reinforce the 2 GAs from the WTC. So about 2 or 3 more GAs in total, if not more. That's a total of 24-30 brigades, equal to 12-15 small divisions or 4-7.5 of our full strength mountain divisions.

They already have what you fear.
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Regarding the military reforms after Xi Jinping came to power, one area that received little attention was these support units. These electronic warfare units, artillery units, special forces, and helicopter units have been greatly expanded.？
In China’s military system, these auxiliary units are combined like building blocks. For example, in an armored brigade’s offensive, they are often supported by artillery units, electronic warfare units, and special operations units.
 
This is a propaganda video of the Chinese army. He has a lot of shiny toys, but we can see that this battalion has obtained the support of rocket launchers, anti-tank missiles and anti-aircraft guns that do not belong to him.
 
For India, India needs enough helicopters to build a unit like the 101st Air Cavalry Division of the United States. This is expensive, but very useful. India can use these weapons to attack China’s logistics supply lines, command posts, air bases, and railways. ,highway,
India still needs enough artillery. Most of our artillery is very old. We need Caesars from France and K9s from South Korea. I don’t like M777s from the United States. India does not have enough helicopters to transport them.
 
LX1111 said:
For India, India needs enough helicopters to build a unit like the 101st Air Cavalry Division of the United States. This is expensive, but very useful. India can use these weapons to attack China’s logistics supply lines, command posts, air bases, and railways. ,highway,
India still needs enough artillery. Most of our artillery is very old. We need Caesars from France and K9s from South Korea. I don’t like M777s from the United States. India does not have enough helicopters to transport them.
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But, aren't you Chinese?
 
LX1111 said:
Regarding the military reforms after Xi Jinping came to power, one area that received little attention was these support units. These electronic warfare units, artillery units, special forces, and helicopter units have been greatly expanded.？
In China’s military system, these auxiliary units are combined like building blocks. For example, in an armored brigade’s offensive, they are often supported by artillery units, electronic warfare units, and special operations units.
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The scale of their modenisation has been extremely impressive. Even if they don't have everything now, their aim was to complete modernisation this year. And even if that's delayed, it's unlikely that they will stand up to us with half-modernised forces. They can always do what we did and move equipment over to the LAC from elsewhere.

Let's simply assume that India will be facing a fully modernised PLAGF when it comes to equipment. Even 1 GA in Ladakh is a lot, never mind 3 GAs.
 
LX1111 said:
For India, India needs enough helicopters to build a unit like the 101st Air Cavalry Division of the United States. This is expensive, but very useful. India can use these weapons to attack China’s logistics supply lines, command posts, air bases, and railways. ,highway,
India still needs enough artillery. Most of our artillery is very old. We need Caesars from France and K9s from South Korea. I don’t like M777s from the United States. India does not have enough helicopters to transport them.
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Airlifting the M777 allows quicker mobilisation and we have enough helicopters to airlift a regiment anywhere very quickly. Even 2 Chinooks are enough for the purpose.
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
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Army Will Have Enhanced Presence On Northern Front Till De-Escalation With China: Gen Naravane - News18

He also said the disengagement process has been “cordial so far”, hoping the trust that has been built will help both sides make “forward movement”.
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Well do we have a choice ?

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China builds key highway through Brahmaputra Canyon in Tibet close to Arunachal Pradesh border

China has completed the construction of a strategic highway through the Brahmaputra Canyon, stated to be the world’s deepest, close to the Arunachal Pradesh border ahead of its plan to build a mega-dam over the gorge.
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