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I find the statements from EAM and RM with silence of Modi the best to keep the pot boiling

India is trying to play it like poker. We have forces in region, we are holding talks and we are building world opinion. Which card we'll use is the mystery.

Trouble is past experiences suggest India wont use the military option or if we do we ll make some noise and call it a day. And this is why Chinks think they can push us.
 
I find the statements from EAM and RM with silence of Modi the best to keep the pot boiling

I think we matched the man to man, equipment to equipemt. We have a standing force of more than a million men- we can deploy 40K men and it will be less than 5% of our total power. China will have a decisive edge IF AND ONLY IF it decides to escalate FULLY. There is no evidence to suggest they are ready to do that. They won't leave easy- no one mobilizes 50,000 men for a weekend holiday. But since they have no intentions to eslating the conflict fully, they WILL LEAVE.

I think India's approach of matching without withdrawing is a masterstroke. They can't keep holding on to high alert levels for ever- they will have to relax sometime.

India is trying to play it like poker. We have forces in region, we are holding talks and we are building world opinion. Which card we'll use is the mystery.

Trouble is past experiences suggest India wont use the military option or if we do we ll make some noise and call it a day. And this is why Chinks think they can push us.

Many people under-estimate the effect our economic actions have taken. Tiktok ban resulted in potential revenues of 6 billion lost. The fastest growing App inthe world is suddenly trying to sell itself off to the yanks. China is not in a posiiton to ignore these things.
 

At least the Armed Forces are Very Clear and Certain about the Two Front Situation becoming a Reality

MEA can keep talking about its stupid dreams and philosophies like A Multi Polar World

 
At least the Armed Forces are Very Clear and Certain about the Two Front Situation becoming a Reality

MEA can keep talking about its stupid dreams and philosophies like A Multi Polar World
I think this is a very unfair assessment on the MEA, especially the present EAM, Jaishankar. Diplomacy requires one to be way vague and soft-spoken than let's say the COAS. Jaishankar is assertive yet not belligerent which is how it should be done. I have watched at least 15 interviews of Jaisahankar sinch he became EAM and one thing that I am noticed is that he is way more assertive and articulate than our former EAMs and he is also very unabashed in defending the Hindutva agenda too! In case some of you don't know his father, K Subramanyam is responsible to a great extent for whatever assertiveness and pragmatism we have in our nuclear and strategic policy and from what I have gathered he has been influenced a lot by his father's world view.
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At least the Armed Forces are Very Clear and Certain about the Two Front Situation becoming a Reality

MEA can keep talking about its stupid dreams and philosophies like A Multi Polar World

All wars which India has fought always had two front scenerio. Pakistan was broken into two in 1971. Till than we always had two fronts in every war with Pakistan.
 
India had more than 50 years to prepare and yet we cann't sustain war for more than 14 days. Someone dropped the ball hard.

I doubt its enemy, more like general public.
What do you think was Modi's message to the general public before Surgical Strikes and before Balakot?

In Modi's world, Action speaks more than Perception building, even if the time to take action is a bit delayed. He ensures the results of the actions are as per what his team has planned for. Hence, let's not get distracted by the clutter.
 
India is trying to play it like poker. We have forces in region, we are holding talks and we are building world opinion. Which card we'll use is the mystery.

Trouble is past experiences suggest India wont use the military option or if we do we ll make some noise and call it a day. And this is why Chinks think they can push us.

India is playing by Chanakya's book of strategies and tactics to win a War. When there is an alliance between the US and India against China, there is a very smart move happening now. India is hitting China on trade, and US is hitting China by asking it to close one of its consulate in the US.

Two partners taking on the enemy in different areas of engagement, thus opening up several fronts on trade and diplomatic war. This itself should give a hint to China that it will be inundated on several fronts if a military war begins. Imagine the psychological impact of these steps in Beijing!
 
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All wars which India has fought always had two front scenerio. Pakistan was broken into two in 1971. Till than we always had two fronts in every war with Pakistan.

Pakistan never had any serious thought to defend the East. GHQ adopted the theory - Defense of East lies in the west.

During 65, Eastern front was poorly defended and this was exploited well by Awami League.
In 1971, Pakistan ended up splitting its forces between the two sides.

A two front scenario that is the focus of interest today is Pakistan bringing its entire weight on the western border (not splitting it into 2) and China bringing in its Western Command into play.
 
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Pakistan never had any serious thought to defend the East. GHQ adopted the theory - Defense of East lies in the west.

During 65, Eastern front was poorly defended and this was exploited well by Awami League.
In 1971, Pakistan ended up splitting its forces between the two sides.

A two front scenario that is the focus of interest today is Pakistan bringing its entire weight on the western border (not splitting it into 2) and China bringing in its Western Command into play.
In 1965 , 1971 & 1999 , we had to contend with the Chinese too . They made threatening noises in 1965 , in 1971 , the erstwhile USSR served to distract them & in 1999 , they seized part of the Fingers area where they subsequently went on to build black top roads.

In my opinion, the GoI can kill the talk of a 2 front war by amending the NFU suggesting that if faced with a 2 front war the GoI reserves the right to initiate with N weapons.

The Chinese will deduce that India wouldn't risk annihilation by initiating use of N weapons. Paxtan will be forewarned. When dealing with the Chinese we need to take out a leaf from the book Paxtan uses & see how they interact with us in a crisis. With appropriate modifications & adaptations that's how we ought to deal with China.
 
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Sir, IMHO, the price for dealing with different problems is different. Price for dealing with Pakistan once, for instance, is a tactical coordination with US. Price for dealing with China for a long term is a strategic realignment with US. Given the two devils we are facing, I will take US any day over dealing with China by ourselves. At least for the coming next 20 years.

India does not have what it takes to develop its MIC and deep-state with willingness to take even a defensive position with respect to China. Given that situation, the next best thing is to be in an alliance where China will avoid a direct confrontation with you. Sure, you will be facing Russia in that case as well but IMHO, its better to have a treaty bound alliance than to have the wishy - washy alliance where you need to run to Russia with lollipops of emergency purchases everytime Beijing gets PMS.

Would have been ideal if we had our own industrial complex supplying our forces and our bureaucracy acting proactively. But then, we wouldn't have been Indians, don't we?


Good to see you back.

Russia will, in one way or the other, always be on India's side in a Sino-Indian context. The Russians are not fools to not recognize the threat that PRC poses for them in the medium to long term.

Also, let me give a very skewed rationale - Russia's biggest product for export after crude and natural gas is military hardware. Chinese are creating rip offs of their equipment which is being marketed at cheaper rates and is undermining the Russian market in the so called third world countries (including terrorists).

A potential Sino-India conflict has lot of stakes in terms of market dominance in this crucial field. US, Israel, France, Russia - all will put their best forward in a potential conflict to work on this angle, how so ever covertly it may be.
India has "core interests". Sorry sir, when did that happen?
As much as I know, India has no national interests that it actually pursues. Majorly, there are interests of cabals in India.


Core objectives. Not core interests.

J&K, Aksai Chin.
 


Absolutely agree here. The aim for any confrontation that we may have to head in to, must be to secure a defensive line East of the hilly tracts that separate Ladakh proper from the Tibetan plateau.

Also, the costs for same, will be tremendous, because any such move will entail a massive PLA response on a flat terrain where our lines of communications are limited to the axes offered by the various vales and they have no such limitation.


Conversely, any PLA offensive with us in defensive holding will entail massive bottleneck for the invading troops as they shall have to traverse, predominantly, these very vales, But, the cost exacted by either side will be tremendous. More so, for the attacking forces.