Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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Fighter pilots are extremely hard to replenish. Especially against enemy like China which may deploy considerable air defence -- though untested ones.
I know. I was trying to say that the bomb also might be something classified like kali.
Congress trained them 50 years to be like that. It will take some time to change that inertia. Modi has already forced retirement to the most useless ones there.
https://t.co/QyFmZBNWr3 An interesting article on India China stand off well articulated centred on Clausewitz philosophy of war . Author has analysed capabilities of India & China from realistic point of view summarising that result of wars are not linear proved historically
— Venugopal Vengalil (@vgmenon99) September 14, 2020
The two-front challenge, with nuclear-armed neighbours, has become a grim reality. India has recorded 3,186 CFVs along the 778-km LoC from Jan 1 to Sept 7 this year. Another 242 ‘cross-border firings’ took place along the 198-km international border in J&K pic.twitter.com/T0Y2p3Lex9
— Rajat Pandit (@rajatpTOI) September 15, 2020
Two Front is Now a Reality
The stupidity of non alignment coming back to bite us.
"Holding the heights South of Pangong Tso up to Rezang La virtually closes most avenues to Leh while opening own offensive options. This ridge line should never be vacated. PLA can keep sitting on the Fingers and open up tourist activities there. Those in power will be historic villains if these ‘Strategic’ gains are given away just as those are, who gave Haji Pir back to Pakistan". - Lt Gen Palepu Shankar
The evolution apart from highlighting interoperability between #IndianNavy & #USNavy enables presence for enhancing maritime security (2/2).#LEMOA@USNavy @IndianEmbassyUS pic.twitter.com/OF3Fij0Nn5
— SpokespersonNavy (@indiannavy) September 14, 2020
General Yuasa, the Chief of Staff, #JGSDF held a discussion with General MM Naravane, the Chief of the Army Staff, #IndianArmy (IA) over the phone on September 14th. Both generals agreed to advance JGSDF-IA defense cooperation/exchanges to realize a “Free and Open Indo-Pacific”. pic.twitter.com/QN2xsOsteT
— Japan Ministry of Defense/JGSDF (@Japan_GSDF) September 14, 2020
GT admits that despite its gazillion tweets & articles, it is failing to control the Sino-Indian border narrative. Tries to tell its boss, "it's not us, it's you" pic.twitter.com/cQmmUi9Bpn
— Tanvi Madan (@tanvi_madan) September 13, 2020
Speaking strictly about ADS requirements, the landmass of US, Russia and China is far bigger than us with US and China being 3 times bigger and Russia being nearly 6 times bigger.
Additionally US has 200 military bases around the world which are needed to be adequately protected from aerial threats.
China while have only one foreign base in Djibouti, has constructed tens of artificial islands in SCS to house ADS systems for a complex A2/AD system. And when you analyse the threat China is facing in SCS it all seems logical. They have to face most advanced navies and Airforces there of multiple nations, not to mention the huge inventory of CMs and BMs of these nations.
While the sheer size of Russia justifies it's massive acquisition of ADS systems it is further justified by the fact that not only it has multiple bases around the world it also borders with world's 3 most advanced militaries namely US, EU and China.
The threats these 3 nations face justifies their massive acquisition of ADS systems and also the acquisition precision munitions as they would need to destroy those ADS systems of enemy nation.
In comparison to these nations the threat we face is kinda small.
Although I agree that a follow on order of 5 regiments of S400 and half a dozen or so regiments of S500 or its indigenous equivalent won't do any harm.
Chinese 'chocolate' soldiers no match for robust Indians
Sources say that a senior Chinese officer refused to counter-attack and regain heights captured by the Indian Army in southern and northern bank of Pangong lake on August 30.
By taking control of the Black Top, Helmet and Reqin La heights, besides the finger four, the Indian Army has strengthened its position around the Pangong Tso area in eastern Ladakh. The Indian soldiers occupying strategic heights gives them a distinct advantage over their opponents. The Chinese will now find themselves struggling to observe the Chushul-Demchok road. Indians are also far better trained than the Chinese when it comes to mountain warfare.
The Indian soldiers have turned the tables and shown to the Xi Jinping government that it is the man behind the machine that matters, not vice versa. Indian soldiers are filled with patriotism and fight with robust courage unlike the People's Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers who are conscripts. Conscripts are the ones who are enlisted compulsorily whereas Indian soldiers enlist themselves voluntarily. Sources say that a senior Chinese officer refused to counter-attack and regain heights captured by the Indian Army in southern and northern bank of Pangong lake on August 30. The fear of facing Indian soldiers is giving sleepless nights to the Chinese army.
George Bernard Shaw wrote in his play the 'Arms and the Man' about soldiers who enlist in the army for pay and perks and are afraid to face the bullets. He called them 'chocolate soldiers'. The Chinese soldiers aren't any different. They will surely melt in the heat of a battle. PLA generals too know the reality. China fooled India, rather breached faith, by signing 1993 and 1996 agreement of no use of weapons.
The Indian soldiers are born tough. They generally come from rural backgrounds and are then trained hard after joining the defence forces. They are trained hard and always follow the dictum: "The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war..." They master the art of mountain, desert, jungle and guerrilla warfare. They go through the fire and are ready to face the enemy in any theatre of war. On the contrary, the Chinese soldiers come from comparatively financially affluent and urban families who have led a comfortable and luxurious life before being asked to enrol in PLA. Such men are not fit for fighting a war.
Also, the present generation of youth enrolling in PLA comes from the era of a one child norm. The single child is normally a pampered one too. However, they have no option but to join the PLA under duress. They are unwilling soldiers who are marking their time and waiting for the day when they will be permitted to leave the armed forces of China and go home after completing their tenure of four to five years. The mere thought of dieing in a remote place, far away from their family, sends chills down their spines. How can they even match the Indian soldiers in whose veins flows the patriotic blood and who are always ready to sacrifice their life for the country and their regiment/battalion. Their salutation is 'Jai Hind' which means victory to India.
Legendary Israeli military leader General Moshe Dayan, Commander of Jerusalem front in the 1948 Arab-Israel war and also the defence minister of Israel during the six-day Arab-Israel war of 1967 wherein Israel stunned the world by defeating the Arab countries comprising of Jordan, Egypt and Syria, had predicted US defeat in Vietnam in 1967. He said that American soldiers move in vehicles, live in luxury whereas the Vietnami guerrillas are war machines who live in jungles and move on foot. Similarly, the Indian soldiers are also like a well-oiled machine and can take on the 'chocolate' Chinese soldiers anytime, anywhere.
The Indian soldiers have fought the icy winds of Siachen and have repulsed many attacks from Pakistan. They are trained to fight in temperatures ranging from -50 degrees centigrade in snow-capped mountains to the scorching temperatures in the deserts. Not very surprisingly, the Chinese newspaper Global Times is publishing reports about the Chinese being better trained in comparison to the Indians. This is just resorting to misplaced psychological warfare. We know too well that barking dogs seldom bite. China will do well to realize that it is not India of 1962. The Indian soldiers cannot be cowed down by the Chinese soldiers who are no better than street bullies.
Not just in Ladakh but India has enhanced its strategic reach in the Indian Ocean as well. China's dream of dominating the Indian Ocean Region will never materialize. India has a defence pact with the US, France, Australia, South Korea, Singapore and also Japan. Similar pacts will soon be signed with UK and Russia also. These defence pacts with friendly countries will deny China access in Indo-Pacific Region. The Chinese should not forget that even Japan had almost run over them during the Second World War because the Chinese soldiers lacked a will to fight.
The Indian soldier stands tall and is ready to give more than a befitting reply to PLA's conscripted, 'chocolate' soldiers if they try to move into the Indian territory.
Source Chinese 'chocolate' soldiers no match for robust Indians.
Sources say that a senior Chinese officer refused to counter-attack and regain heights captured by the Indian Army in southern and northern bank of Pangong lake on August 30.
By taking control of the Black Top, Helmet and Reqin La heights, besides the finger four, the Indian Army has strengthened its position around the Pangong Tso area in eastern Ladakh. The Indian soldiers occupying strategic heights gives them a distinct advantage over their opponents. The Chinese will now find themselves struggling to observe the Chushul-Demchok road. Indians are also far better trained than the Chinese when it comes to mountain warfare.
The Indian soldiers have turned the tables and shown to the Xi Jinping government that it is the man behind the machine that matters, not vice versa. Indian soldiers are filled with patriotism and fight with robust courage unlike the People's Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers who are conscripts. Conscripts are the ones who are enlisted compulsorily whereas Indian soldiers enlist themselves voluntarily. Sources say that a senior Chinese officer refused to counter-attack and regain heights captured by the Indian Army in southern and northern bank of Pangong lake on August 30. The fear of facing Indian soldiers is giving sleepless nights to the Chinese army.
George Bernard Shaw wrote in his play the 'Arms and the Man' about soldiers who enlist in the army for pay and perks and are afraid to face the bullets. He called them 'chocolate soldiers'. The Chinese soldiers aren't any different. They will surely melt in the heat of a battle. PLA generals too know the reality. China fooled India, rather breached faith, by signing 1993 and 1996 agreement of no use of weapons.
The Indian soldiers are born tough. They generally come from rural backgrounds and are then trained hard after joining the defence forces. They are trained hard and always follow the dictum: "The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war..." They master the art of mountain, desert, jungle and guerrilla warfare. They go through the fire and are ready to face the enemy in any theatre of war. On the contrary, the Chinese soldiers come from comparatively financially affluent and urban families who have led a comfortable and luxurious life before being asked to enrol in PLA. Such men are not fit for fighting a war.
Also, the present generation of youth enrolling in PLA comes from the era of a one child norm. The single child is normally a pampered one too. However, they have no option but to join the PLA under duress. They are unwilling soldiers who are marking their time and waiting for the day when they will be permitted to leave the armed forces of China and go home after completing their tenure of four to five years. The mere thought of dieing in a remote place, far away from their family, sends chills down their spines. How can they even match the Indian soldiers in whose veins flows the patriotic blood and who are always ready to sacrifice their life for the country and their regiment/battalion. Their salutation is 'Jai Hind' which means victory to India.
Legendary Israeli military leader General Moshe Dayan, Commander of Jerusalem front in the 1948 Arab-Israel war and also the defence minister of Israel during the six-day Arab-Israel war of 1967 wherein Israel stunned the world by defeating the Arab countries comprising of Jordan, Egypt and Syria, had predicted US defeat in Vietnam in 1967. He said that American soldiers move in vehicles, live in luxury whereas the Vietnami guerrillas are war machines who live in jungles and move on foot. Similarly, the Indian soldiers are also like a well-oiled machine and can take on the 'chocolate' Chinese soldiers anytime, anywhere.
The Indian soldiers have fought the icy winds of Siachen and have repulsed many attacks from Pakistan. They are trained to fight in temperatures ranging from -50 degrees centigrade in snow-capped mountains to the scorching temperatures in the deserts. Not very surprisingly, the Chinese newspaper Global Times is publishing reports about the Chinese being better trained in comparison to the Indians. This is just resorting to misplaced psychological warfare. We know too well that barking dogs seldom bite. China will do well to realize that it is not India of 1962. The Indian soldiers cannot be cowed down by the Chinese soldiers who are no better than street bullies.
Not just in Ladakh but India has enhanced its strategic reach in the Indian Ocean as well. China's dream of dominating the Indian Ocean Region will never materialize. India has a defence pact with the US, France, Australia, South Korea, Singapore and also Japan. Similar pacts will soon be signed with UK and Russia also. These defence pacts with friendly countries will deny China access in Indo-Pacific Region. The Chinese should not forget that even Japan had almost run over them during the Second World War because the Chinese soldiers lacked a will to fight.
The Indian soldier stands tall and is ready to give more than a befitting reply to PLA's conscripted, 'chocolate' soldiers if they try to move into the Indian territory.
Source Chinese 'chocolate' soldiers no match for robust Indians.
Locals in Ladakh: Ladakhi & Tibetan youth line up to volunteer & assist the army as porters, cooks & nursing assistants as the army intensifies its deployment along the #LAC. My report from #Leh. https://t.co/8V8o39wvd1
— GAURAV C SAWANT (@gauravcsawant) September 15, 2020
Hence the need to focus on staying ahead of our adversary, while also building up our air defences.
The point is they won't get exhausted when fighting a country like India since they play at that level.
CFV and all other symbolic gestures are only to scare to the extent that India never tries to reclaim lost territory and remain caught in paralysis by analysis.
They will, and that was the gist of my post. You are only focussing on the mass they are acquiring while completely neglecting the volume they have to fill. I am emphasising on the fact that although they have acquired mass much more than us, it is more than compensated by the volume they have to fill. That is why overall density remains same. Their massive acquisition of ADS doesn't mean that they are more well protected than us. Even a recent US report indicates otherwise by starting that US still doesn't have adequate ADS to protect all its troops and military installations. Same goes for China and Russia. We can take out any target in Tibet or Xinjiang if we want to, even we can hit Bejeing. That's that. The reason we are not playing at that level is that we don't require to.
How the war-machine moves. The armed forces give @IndiaToday's @AbhishekBhalla7 a first-hand view of operational readiness, mobilisation & logistics in Ladakh. (All images taken under AF supervision). Must watch broadcast coming up @ 5pm. pic.twitter.com/TK3Hoyf87M
— Shiv Aroor (@ShivAroor) September 15, 2020
#IndianArmy has mastered over the ops-logistics of Ladakh region in last past 20-years, ready to deal any eventuality: Major Gen Arvind Kapoor, Chief of Staff, 14 Corps#IndiaChinaBorderClash pic.twitter.com/L1TksLdTP0
— Neeraj Rajput (@neeraj_rajput) September 15, 2020
WTF ?!?! WhAPs are being sent out ??
The WhAP has landed in Leh.
— Dr. Syed Mohd Murtaza مرتضیٰ (@syedmohdmurtaza) September 15, 2020
Desi machines are getting real time deployment experience.#IndiaChinaBorderStandoff pic.twitter.com/VCWZtfMZpx
A prime minster who want to gift siachien for nobel prize , a NSA who provide great advise for surrender , a foreign minster who dismiss Chinese land grab issues as pimples on our face controlled by a Italian who cry for batla house terrorist . And we still wonder why china or Pakistan love to have congress leading India , Afterall , you dont have to fire a single bullet to achieve your objective with such a *censored*ed up team leading your enemy .
