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Again and again we are ending up in this circle-jerk. The thing is if we actually take their territory and they don't do anything it's good for us. But if we are only killing their soldiers and they are hiding their casualties since this is what is happening right now. Nothing changes. We will continue to lose men and they will continue to send jihadis.
The Pakistani state doesn't care for Pakistani lives as much as we do in India. For them there is one less inbred to take care of.
The stealth UCAV isn't coming anytime in the next two to three years. It will take a decade to become operational. By then Chinese tech would have become on par with the Americans and the Pakistanis won't be anymore insecure like they are right now.
Sudden full strike where? How? When? For what reason?
And if we waste our time on the LoC do you think the Chinese will sit and watch and eat bat soup?? A massive campaign is useless and not conceivable anytime in the next five years.
The only thing that can be done is use of Aircrafts to strike Terror launchpads inside Pakistani territory on a regular basis that's it. Fund the Balochis and the TTP and the mohajirs.
If you want actual concrete gains we need to salami slice PoK slowly like what the Chinese are attempting.

Also if we strike with Brahmos what is the guarantee the Pakistanis won't retaliate with their Hatf series of Chinese knockoff's??

That why I said earlier , that we will not attack without any reason.
Last year escalation ladder was perfect .It was India that slightly mobilized their real might and Pak was back off for Commander Abhinandan.
Suppose they didnt return him what would happen?
A sudden ground invasion wont happen.
It will be a strike likethat I mentioned.
You cant capture and hold their areas through conventional way.You need over power them.slowly .
A major attack on their installations and assets will cripple .
They might react to us .But cant do much .Because there will a reason for us .


Once they take the hit , our intel must do rest of the job.
 
That why I said earlier , that we will not attack without any reason.
Last year escalation ladder was perfect .It was India that slightly mobilized their real might and Pak was back off for Commander Abhinandan.
Suppose they didnt return him what would happen?
A sudden ground invasion wont happen.
It will be a strike likethat I mentioned.
You cant capture and hold their areas through conventional way.You need over power them.slowly .
A major attack on their installations and assets will cripple .
They might react to us .But cant do much .Because there will a reason for us .


Once they take the hit , our intel must do rest of the job.
Azerbaijan did defeat and captured Armenian Land, you just need two things to do such things a) military superiority over enemy b) determination.
We lacks determination.
 
Azerbaijan did defeat and captured Armenian Land, you just need two things to do such things a) military superiority over enemy b) determination.
We lacks determination.
The moment pakistan feels they're loosing territory, they'd resort to using Nasr tactical nuke on our infantry columns which will blow out into a full scale nuclear war
 
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The moment pakistan feels they're loosing territory, they'd resort to using Nasr tactical nuke on our infantry columns which will blow out into a full scale nuclear war
The question is what territory ? They wouldn't waste there nukes for PoK thats for sure. Until Pindi is not Directly threatened nukes seem to be the last resort..
 
The question is what territory ? They wouldn't waste there nukes for PoK thats for sure. Until Pindi is not Directly threatened nukes seem to be the last resort..
If we're going for PoK, it makes a lot more sense to take over GB in it's entirety and have land access to Afghanistan. pakistanis consider both regions as their own and would ofcourse start using battlefield nukes
 
If we're going for PoK, it makes a lot more sense to take over GB in it's entirety and have land access to Afghanistan. pakistanis consider both regions as their own and would ofcourse start using battlefield nukes
I believe balakot has settled the nuclear bogey once and for all. Pak will not use tactical nukes because even one tactical nuke used would mean all Pali cities being wiped out. So unless all the Pali generals first move to UK or US and then press the launch button, I don’t see this happening

another thing is that it is doubtful that pak even has tac nukes. Like their bluff of MIRV Ababeel missile, their possession of tac nukes is also a big question mark.
 
I believe balakot has settled the nuclear bogey once and for all. Pak will not use tactical nukes because even one tactical nuke used would mean all Pali cities being wiped out. So unless all the Pali generals first move to UK or US and then press the launch button, I don’t see this happening

another thing is that it is doubtful that pak even has tac nukes. Like their bluff of MIRV Ababeel missile, their possession of tac nukes is also a big question mark.
No matter what we Indians think of Balakot, all I consider is PAF shot down one of ours while we didn't. Also, it didn't involve any land grab and pak isn't stupid to launch a nuke just because we violated their airspace and dropped some bombs

Be it the usage of tactical nukes or not, their nuclear policy usage is dependent on territorial and/or significant military loss
 
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No matter what we Indians think of Balakot, all I consider is PAF shot down one of ours while we didn't. Also, it didn't involve any land grab and pak isn't stupid to launch a nuke just because we violated their airspace and dropped some bombs

Be it the usage of tactical nukes or not, their nuclear policy usage is dependent on territorial and/or significant military loss
If pakistan is ready to get wiped out completely only then they will use their tactical nukes because we don't have nukes of 250 grams, we only have big ones.
 
If pakistan is ready to get wiped out completely only then they will use their tactical nukes because we don't have nukes of 250 grams, we only have big ones.
They have larger stockpile than us asper reports. It will be a doomsday for us too.
 
They have larger stockpile than us asper reports. It will be a doomsday for us too.
This stockpile also includes these little ones. BTW to wipe out a country you don't need hundreds of nukes, only 15-20 are enough. So this stockpile thing doesn't have much meaning.
 
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If we're going for PoK, it makes a lot more sense to take over GB in it's entirety and have land access to Afghanistan. pakistanis consider both regions as their own and would ofcourse start using battlefield nukes
Tactical nukes is a hypothetical scenario. But taking over GB seems pretty difficult since the terrain of the region makes it pretty difficult. We can't send armour inside that easily. And our airborne size is too small to take over such a land area as GB. Also we are not only fighting the Pakistani army. It will also include the Jihadis and the radicalised Pakistani civilian. So they will have to take on a bigger group of people. Tactical nukes are the last thing that will cause a problem for us. And you are overestimating Pakistan if you it will use nuke for PoK. There is a method to there madness..
 
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Azerbaijan did defeat and captured Armenian Land, you just need two things to do such things a) military superiority over enemy b) determination.
We lacks determination.

There is no lack of determination.
Only brilliant play .
Pakistan is not Armenia and India is not Azerbaijan.
India and Pakistan have nukes.
But nukes doesnt guarantee a success .
What we need is a success .Retake the land .
For that various ways can be implemented.One is a perfect ground invasion.
We can do that ,but after that holding that one would be a problem especially PoK.Only possible opportunity if there is a misadventure from Pak side ,a probably a terrorist attack but that is not a good reason for ground invasion.

So another method is slowly overpower them.
Unlike in India ,China or US,China etc cases ego and pride plays here.
Few small regular strikes and absence of support from diplomacy will make them frustrated .Combined with their own failed economic policies and our intel gradually they will lose on occupied areas .
 
Tactical nukes is a hypothetical scenario. But taking over GB seems pretty difficult since the terrain of the region makes it pretty difficult. We can't send armour inside that easily. And our airborne size is too small to take over such a land area as GB. Also we are not only fighting the Pakistani army. It will also include the Jihadis and the radicalised Pakistani civilian. So they will have to take on a bigger group of people. Tactical nukes are the last thing that will cause a problem for us. And you are overestimating Pakistan if you it will use nuke for PoK. There is a method to there madness..

GB have another peculiarity .Unlike PoK it is not that heavily populated.
Combined with the terrain ,it can be a viable plan .Even now.
Once we take out their Air defence and Sam system .We can use C 17 and C 130 J ,also the IL 76 .to deploy at least 10000 troops within hrs . Fighting between heavily armed Para SF and civil fighter would be a different one.
If we're going for PoK, it makes a lot more sense to take over GB in it's entirety and have land access to Afghanistan. pakistanis consider both regions as their own and would ofcourse start using battlefield nukes

Yup.
PoK is actually not that worthy .
GB will return the benefits .
A direct link to Afghan region.